actually he has a point
the bill shouldn't be this long or complicated

Ron Paul has a good motto he stands by

Regardless of the bill, if he doesn't have enough time to read it he always votes nay.

More congressmen and the senate can learn from this!

Originally posted by ModernAcademia
actually he has a point
the bill shouldn't be this long or complicated

Ron Paul has a good motto he stands by

Regardless of the bill, if he doesn't have enough time to read it he always votes nay.

More congressmen and the senate can learn from this!

I agree that bills should not be hundreds or even thousands of pages in length. A bill should never be more than perhaps 20 pages. The point I was trying to make is that congress has a habit of making bills many pages in length, probably to make it more difficult for people to read through it. But no matter how long the bill is it should be read in full by every representative and senator! Many of these morons will vote "yea" on this bill (and others) whether they have read it or not.

I find these remarks quite disingenuous of Conyers to say this. I can plainly see him on the floor spouting how we need to hurry and pass both this and the stimulus because of the urgency to the public welfare! When you see who is in their offices as aids who actually write them or have spoken to these same aids when you call to voice your opinion against some bill and get insulted by them, you can understand how these terrible bills are written! Our representatives have no clue as to what they are voting for and are just giving lip service to the public!

Zindo

[edit on 7/27/2009 by ZindoDoone]

Sounds like Conyers is in over his head, and needs to be replaced with a competent person that can perform the duties he assured the people he could do by campaigning for his office, and the voters trusted him to perform by voting him into that office.

Voting 'Yea' on a bill you do not have full understanding of should be a federal crime, and punishable by a hefty penalty. This shows blatant incompetency on the part of the lawmaker, and should not be tolerated.

[edit on 7/27/09 by Ferris.Bueller.II]

Like many have said, this is absolutely unbelievable!! Their essential job is to write legislation and read legislature before it becomes law. However, I don't think many elected legislatures personally read bills and delegate the reading to aids and they go off their summation. This is a scary trend because once these bills are ratified and become law it is very difficult to reverse.

However, congressman Conyers is only stating the truth. I am all for legislation that is simple and to the point, instead of pages upon pages of legalese. Like one person mentioned about congressman Paul, if it is too long and too complicated; then he votes it down. Maybe more in the House and Senate should follow his example. These people need to start taking their jobs seriously and stop just showing up for a paycheck. If they don't want to do their jobs correctly then they should be removed from office at election time!


[edit on 27-7-2009 by Jakes51]

Even if Conyers had two lawyers available, I seriously doubt he would read the legislation even then.

One would think that he would have been reading it ever since he got his copy.

I guess it is more important to give speeches than to do his job.

I would understand the comment if the body politic was made up of common American citizens who weren't elite career politicians who campaign on the depth of their 'commitment' to serve the public. And by the way, aren't over 90% lawyers to begin with?

The reason for the the 1,000-page bills and such is not due tot he complexity of the issue; the reason is because you can't hide the coddling of special interests inside a bill that can be interpreted by average people.

The entire political cabal is corrupt beyond repair. They actually believe the crap they spew half the time. If you can't understand the tools and vehicles that the government produces, why do you work there? By what virtue are these people placed into these positions? ... I'll tell you... Madison Avenue and Hollywood marketing.

You and I are fools if we expect the human socialite waste they offer up to actually be the 'heroes' and 'patriots' they claim to be. Should we really expect that because these people can read and memorize speeches, THAT makes them 'good for the country'?

The culprit and cause of our political woes all comes from the PARTY. Not the hapless opportunistic elitist clowns they plaster on TV with patriotic background music and bloated lies about 'who they are' and 'what they care about.'

Some morons actually think they know what they're doing when they drop a 6 pound wad of paper on the desk and say vote on it NOW because the President says so, or the Banks will bankrupt our economy unless we vote... right away....

LAW should not be a matter of "HURRY UP". That the media propagates this as a valid notion is telling of who THEY serve.

E=MC^2. I just wanted to prove a point. You know how much info is wrapped up in this statement? There is no need to ever write a 1000 page bill, except for the purposes of deception, subversion, and hidden control.

Just one thing that has not been addressed . . . if congress members has not read the bill, then who wrote it?