US Announces $200 Milllion in Aid to Palestinians

Originally posted by lpowell0627
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

 

So, if I go with your theory, which I don't, then why do two wrongs make a right???

I say END ALL AIDE. Period.

Giving money to Israel - and them using it against others (according to you) IS NOT THE SAME as giving money to the Palestinians and having them USE IT AGAINST US!

Whats wrong with ending all aide Until we get our affairs in order? Why is it our job to take care of the world especially when we cant take care of our own

Has anyone thought of the possible profits the US arms industry will have if this money causes more Palestinian attacks and possible Israeli retaliation?

Israel will buy more weaponry making $200 Million seem trivial compared to the business the arms industry will get. Despite the fact the US Citizen will be paying for it in the foreign aid you give to Israel. This will allow Obama to provide business to the arms industries without him going back on his promises of Middle East Peace and Gun Laws.

It won't just be a hand-out to the PA, there'll be a behind-doors business deal involved somewhere, and I feel that this may have something to do with it..

Huge gas reserves discovered off Haifa
business.jpost.com

A historic natural gas reservoir found offshore from Haifa is poised to meet Israel's natural gas demand for about 15 years and reduce the country's dependence on gas imports from Egypt and offshore from Gaza.

The discovery of the natural gas field 90 km. offshore from Haifa, known as Tamar, was made by a US-Israel consortium including the Delek Group, through its subsidiaries Delek Drilling and Avner Oil Exploration, Isramco Negev 2, Dor Gas Exploration and US oil operator Noble Energy Inc.

Preliminary estimates indicate that the Tamar field might contain over 88 billion cubic meters of gas.

"If the Tamar site opposite the Haifa coast succeeds in producing the significant quantities of natural gas predicted, we are talking about a revolution which will have an impact on the Israeli economy for the coming generations," said Dan Halman, CEO of Halman-Aldubi Group. "The vast reservoir is poised to bring down electricity prices, reduce the country's dependence on gas from foreign countries, in particular from Egypt, and thereby turn Israel from a gas importer into a gas exporter."

There has also been other controversies over similar finds off the Gaza coast that was legally awarded to the Palestinian state despite much outcry from the Knesset.

there's a hell of a lot of energy resources along that strip of coast, and greater conflicts have been waged over far less

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reply to post by FlyersFan


It's a typical trick of the pro-Zionists to try to label people as Nazi's and anti-Semites in the hopes of cowering them and discrediting them.

Why would an AMERICAN be so concerned?

They wouldn't a pro-Zionist would be so concerned.

I fight Facisim in the U.S. and Israeli Government every day. Both are much closer to the National Socialism way of thinking than the people who do not favor the U.S. economically and militarilly supporting a rogue human rights violating war mongering nation like Israel that exists on stolen land, broken treaties and promises.

You have clearly demonstrated with your comments you are interested only in Israel and not the United States, I don't hear you calling to end Israeli aide which is 100's of times more



It's just another chance to drive the Zionist Agenda.

Otherwise you would be equally incessed about aide to Israel, Egypt and Jordan.

Originally posted by Persicoana
Has anyone thought of the possible profits the US arms industry will have if this money causes more Palestinian attacks and possible Israeli retaliation?

Israel will buy more weaponry making $200 Million seem trivial compared to the business the arms industry will get. Despite the fact the US Citizen will be paying for it in the foreign aid you give to Israel. This will allow Obama to provide business to the arms industries without him going back on his promises of Middle East Peace and Gun Laws.

Thats reaching a little i believe

So you're saying that every single Palestinian was dancing in the streets when the most powerful nation on earth was successfully attacked by some guy in a cave half way around the world? Associating humanitarian aid with 911 shows an inhumane agenda. This is crumbs from the table compared to the handouts the US gives to Israel.

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reply to post by SphinxMontreal


Now did I say every Palistinian, no I did not, You are knowingly lieing.
(A clear TAC violation)

If you bothered to see the video's you kindly placed at the begining of this post, you will see that many did celibrate the Murder of Americas.

With that mentality, it seems it is equally fine to cheer for their losses.

Like pro, you don't really have anything to add to the post, just trying to push yuour anti-Isreal agenda in a thread that has nothing to do with it.

I love posters who declare everyone that doesn't defend Palestinian hostilities as 'pro-Zionist'. After that, they rank right up with Gilbert Gottfried. Just an annoying little person with a big mouth and nothing interesting or intelligent to say.

reply to post by Ferris.Bueller.II


You mean those toy rockets that have less than a half percent of the killing power of an Israeli tank or F-16.

Don't you think that maybe the toy rockets are a small payback for taking away the country and destroying the homes and schools.

How long will it be before Israelis act like children of God instead of Nazi Storm Troopers?

reply to post by groingrinder


So that makes it right? When will the Palestinians start acting like the 'religion of peace'? The Palestinian government on purpose puts their citizens in harms way by their aggressor attacks on Israel, then cries to those who don't have a clue what's going on after Israel defends themselves.

The Grad missiles apart, the rockets are usually between 1.6 and 2 metres in length, and can carry up to six kilogrammes of explosives.

In addition, the militants often pack them with nuts, bolts, ball- bearings and even bullets, so as to cause maximum harm.

Why should they take a dollar from every US citzen to send there when so many US citzen are hurting from a depresson. Let the UN figure it out without my wallet for once.

Originally posted by Ferris.Bueller.II
I love posters who declare everyone that doesn't defend Palestinian hostilities as 'pro-Zionist'. After that, they rank right up with Gilbert Gottfried. Just an annoying little person with a big mouth and nothing interesting or intelligent to say.

The Palestinians are simply trying to retain an atonymous idenity and nation in a hostile and corrupt world that stole their lands for the sake of political expediency and their rights and dignity along with it.

Israel has murdered U.S. Envoys, broken every International Treaty and Accord it has ever signed, stolen the lands, imprisoned the people, and denied them their human rights all the while violating their human rights.

Some would say only an intelligent person could not see that.

Some would say only an intelligent person could not see how pro-Zionist political factions have manipulated the United States to paying the economic and moral cost of most of it.

Some would say someone who lacked the intelligence to see the situation for what it is, is morally bankrupt too.

I just see a travesty of human indiference, bigotry, and violence being perpetrated year after year on a virtually helpless people for monetary and political gain...

I don't hear you calling for an end to funding of Israel and sparing the U.S. Taxpayers that burden.

Some people have no shame or concsious a lack of intelligence would be the least of their worries!

Palestine deserves money and weapons on par dollar for dollar, piece of ordinance for ordinance as the Israelis get.

Arm them both equally and finance them both equally or not at all, and guess what either way the premise behind our supposed terrorism problem goes away.

It takes one to know one and maybe thats why some common sense intelligent things escape some people?

Clinton and Mitchell are outrageously naive, deploying strategies of financial pittance and peace-talks that have failed again and again. The stupidity of all sides involved is breathtaking.

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


As I stated before, I would support the $200 million sent to the Palestinian people as relief aid supplies, so that's not the issue.

The issue is the Palestinian government's continuous aggressor attacks on Israel funded by aid money received by them to help their citizens. Instead they spend that aid money on weaponry from Iran, and let their citizens starve.

Originally posted by Ferris.Bueller.II
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

 

As I stated before, I would support the $200 million sent to the Palestinian people as relief aid supplies, so that's not the issue.

The issue is the Palestinian government's continuous aggressor attacks on Israel funded by aid money received by them to help their citizens. Instead they spend that aid money on weaponry from Iran, and let their citizens starve.

There is no proof that aide money is being diverted in that fashion.

There is no proof that the weapons are coming from Iran either.

Logistically I would be looking for Egypt to sell me weapons or corrupt Israelis to sell me weapons because of the geographical ease.

This is once again a classic example of where pro-Zionists are either looking to kill two birds with one stone or following the strategy of killing two birds with one stone if they lack the intelligence themelves to see that logistically and geographically Iran is not going to be your source of weapons.

The reality is Hamas provided a lot of social services that the Palistinian Authority and Fatah could not before it came to power.

Yes it can be argued succesfully I might add that they used social services to condition a young generation of Palestinians to carrying on the struggle against Israel.

It is important to note though that Israel does the same exact thing in conditioning it's yound to carry on the fight against the Palestinians.

Israel often tries to portray itself as having the moral highground but that is pure nonsense.

Israel attrocities far outweigh thousands of times over anything the Palestinians have done to keep their cause in the political spot light and that's all their low level acts of agression are is an attempt to force a political solution as they know they can not effect a military solution.

The sole difference in the eyes of most people who are similiarly conditioned to have preconcieved notions in places like the United States of America is that Israel carries out most of it's attacks under the Colour of Authority and Legitimacy using a Standing Military and recognized Intelligence Agencies.

Palestinian governments on the other hand are considered illigitimate from day one, their infrastructures routinely smashed, and the conditions within the Palestinian territories micro-managed by Israel to keep any Palestinian Government from acheiving a percieve Colour of Authority Legitimacy to counter Israel's that could take away the false propoganda notion instilled by Israel of moral superiority.

They work night and day to villify and demonize a group of people who in fact have had their lands and rights and possesions stolen who are basically kept divided and seperated inside of two small enclaves of land that are effectively prisons.

That's the reality, and if I were a Palestinian I would be fighting against it anyway I could just as I would if any other group or nation attempted to do that within America.

The intelligent thing is not to reward agressors and thats all we are doing with Israel thanks to Zionists politics and it's incursions into the American Government is rewarding Israeli agression.

Originally posted by woodwardjnr
reply to post by Ferris.Bueller.II

 

you make it sound like the Palestinians have some huge military complex. The missiles fired by Palestine are just bottle rockets, capable of little structural damage. How many Israelis were killed by these primative devices compared to the deaths of Palastinians by massive Israel force.

maybe if you turned off Fox and read a decent news paper you may have a little more understanding of the conflict and wouldn't be making such ridiculous assertions.

That's funny you said that... each of those Palestinian rockets have the potential to kill several people. The intention to kill indiscriminantly is there. Would you be happy if someone kept missing you every time they drove past their house and fired a bullet, or would you be angry and want something to be done about it.

Originally posted by john124

Originally posted by woodwardjnr
reply to post by Ferris.Bueller.II

 

you make it sound like the Palestinians have some huge military complex. The missiles fired by Palestine are just bottle rockets, capable of little structural damage. How many Israelis were killed by these primative devices compared to the deaths of Palastinians by massive Israel force.

maybe if you turned off Fox and read a decent news paper you may have a little more understanding of the conflict and wouldn't be making such ridiculous assertions.

That's funny you said that... each of those Palestinian rockets have the potential to kill several people. The intention to kill indiscriminantly is there. Would you be happy if someone kept missing you every time they drove past their house and fired a bullet, or would you be angry and want something to be done about it.

Well you made a mistype but were more accurate than you likely meant to be.

"If someone kept missing you every time they drove past their house and fired a bullet"

The reality is that the area the Palestinians is firing rockets into is THEIR house, it's their land stolen from them and never returned or compensated for or restitutions made.

So the answer is still yes I would be unhappy after STEALING someone's HOME and LAND and they WOULDN'T just LET me GET AWAY with it!

The question is why is it you want to aide and abet theives?

I'll leave this thread to the Gilbert Gottfried's in the house. I've had my say.

Pro-Zionist out!

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
to try to label people

In your case ... it fits.

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
The reality is that the area the Palestinians is firing rockets into is THEIR house, it's their land ....

WRONG (as usual) ... it's the soverign country of Israel and it's the Israeli civilians that the so-called palestinians are rocketing and bombing.

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
There is no proof that aide money is being diverted in that fashion.

Of course it is. The 'aid' money is being spent on everything EXCEPT medicine and education. If the aid money had been spent properly, the so-called palestinians wouldn't be in the mess they are in. But instead .. they spend the incoming $$ on brainwashing children via MickeyMouse lookalike TV programs, etc etc etc

Face it. The so-called Palestinians don't want peace. It would put them out of the 'victimhood' business and it would make them actually have to act civilized and work for a living.


ON TOPIC - my tax money shouldn't be going overseas in so-called 'aid'. It definately shouldn't be going to the so-called palestinians just so they can fund their brainwashing children's TV shows about islamic Jihad. It shouldn't be going ANYWHERE except back into my own pocket where it belongs.

The OP here obviously has an agenda. Oh no, 200 million to help the Palestinian people is too much money on the taxpayer? Maybe you need a reminder that we give BILLIONS of dollars to Israel every year in foreign aid. We give more foreign aid to Israel every year than any other country. In fact, about a third of all of our foreign aid that goes out to the world goes to Israel alone. If we should not give money to ANYONE because we are getting poorer, then Israel should be the first to go by your logic.

We all know that Israel spends its money to do Nazi-style massive retribution strikes where they kill ten to fifty times as many Palestinians as their dead. We know they have precision strike technology like guided missiles but that they choose to use crude weapons like tank shells to inflict maximum damage on a largely civilian populace. This is not controversial, please do some digging if you don't believe me.

I would post pictures of the Israeli slaughter of Palestinians last December and January to back up my position, but Israel completely shut down their borders to the media so the events could not be covered. Not even Joe the Plumber could get in to "tell Israel's side of the story". I wonder what they were so afraid of. Maybe it was their use of white phosphorus?

Atrocities in Gaza
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Lets call this non-logical, all-emotional-out-of-context-video post for what it is: Propaganda and Fearmongering. Nice try, OP. It doesn't matter what side you are on, this thread is still propaganda, and it is meant to make you "afraid" of the thought of the Palestinians getting money. The funny thing is I'll bet you most of the money will go to provide infrastructure for the Palestinians since their country is so war torn... they are forced to live in a deliberate ghetto by the Israelis, and this thread is just about trying to get people to accept the false reality that all Palestinians are terrorists and therefore are sub-human. If Israel didn't consider the Palestinians as worthless, then why does the Israeli navy block food and medical supplies from getting to the common people? WHY WOULD THEY BLOCK HUMANITARIAN AID? Please take a look at who the true terrorists are. Some people have been brainwashed into a worldview that supports true genocide and terrorism. Sometimes I almost think the Israelis want the Palestinian people to starve to death because it doesn't make them look like the killers in the rest of the worlds eyes like in December/January, and they won't starve to death as quickly if they get 200 million in foreign aid. Its not like the Israeli people need BILLIONS of dollars in aid every year... don't be cruel people.

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