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Originally posted by axehappy
Personally, I would have done whatever was necessary to get them off my family members.
If that meant stabbing and killing them to make them stop, then so be it.
Where is the line between murder and self defence?
I would class self defence as not just the defence of myself, but also my family.
His son would have out the fight if he was already down and getting kicked.... so it was essentially 5 on 1.
Is he supposed to fight fair in this situation?
My idea of fighting against the odds like this has always been to seriously hurt one nice and quickly. Let the others then decide if they want to risk similar injury to themselves by continuing to attack.
If someone I love were involved, then I would be even more ferocious.
I can't really blame this man for what happened.
Its unfortunate that someone died, but murder!?
He was just defending his property and family surely?
[edit on 27/7/09 by axehappy]
Originally posted by TurkeyBurgers
I refuse to believe that there exists a permanent record that resulted in a case of mistaken identity.
You would have a 30 million dollar lawsuit on your hands.
There is no record of undue arrests.
Police could arrest someone and then say "Oops wrong person" and your life would still be screwed. I do not believe this. I need to see some proof to back this claim up.
Originally posted by pieman
Originally posted by MrWendal
Police are supposed to be PUBLIC SERVANTS, as in they are here to serve YOU.
they are also there to defend the kid that was stabbed.
They are not here to lock up someone for defending themselves while waiting for their empolyee to finally show up and do his job!
they are there to arrest and detain in connection with any case where they find reasonable grounds to arrest and detain. are you going to try to argue that?
I'm still amazed at how many Americans honestly believe this fantasy. Men didn't "wear their guns at their sides" unless they were either in a dangerous profession or criminals.
And the police would still haul you in for shooting someone, because as others are trying to nail through the heads of some here, it is the court's job to decide guilt not the police.
If he stabbed the hell out of a kid, yes, he needs to be arrested and arraigned. Yes, there should be charges against him. And then he should be found not guilty by means of self-defense.
Of course, attendant with the mythology of everyone running around with guns and the social decay fantasy of criminals having more rights, comes a belief in vigilante justice and acceptance of the police as ultimate legal authority.
Way to go.
Originally posted by 3DPrisoner
Hey people, these English blokes sure as hell are lucky they didn't try this crap in the USA or Texas for that matter because after the Texan dad had shot off all 5 heads, the cops would have come by to admire his shotgun and ask where they can buy one for their own home defense too.
Just a reality over here.
Originally posted by kongfuzi
Unfortunately, England is notorious for convicting people for self defense, especially with guns. There are constantly homeowners protecting themselves against invaders with a rifle or shotgun, being arrested for gun ownership and murder/assault/battery etc.
A householder returned home to find a burglar in his home:
There was a struggle during which the burglar hit his head on the driveway and later died. No prosecution of householder who was clearly acting in self-defence.
Armed robbers threatened a pub landlord and barmaid with extreme violence:
The barmaid escaped, fetched her employer's shotgun and shot at least one of the intruders. Barmaid not prosecuted.
Two burglars entered a house armed with a knife and threatened a woman:
Her husband overcame one of the burglars and stabbed him. The burglar died. There was no prosecution of the householder but the remaining burglar was convicted.
A middle aged female took a baseball bat off a burglar and hit him over the head, fracturing his skull:
The burglar made a complaint but the CPS refused to prosecute
Originally posted by Karlhungis
 I shamefully admit that I did not read the story. I still wouldn't find the man guilty, but could understand if another juror did [/edit]
[edit on 27-7-2009 by Karlhungis]