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I have literally had my entire consciousness pulled into another place, in an instant and so forth.
An alien hand sufferer can feel normal sensation in the hand and leg, but believes that the hand, while still being a part of their body, behaves in a manner that is totally distinct from the sufferer's normal behavior. They lose the 'sense of agency' associated with the purposeful movement of the limb while retaining a sense of 'ownership' of the limb. They feel that they have no control over the movements of the 'alien' hand, but that, instead, the hand has the capability of acting autonomously—i.e. independent of their voluntary control. The hand effectively has 'a will of its own.' Alien hands can perform complex acts such as undoing buttons, removing clothing, and manipulating tools.
Some NDE and OBE experiencers see objects and provide information about them, which would not be possible unless the "I am" of consciousness was outside of the body, and therefore the brain as well.
Originally posted by OmegaPoint
The monkey stopped moving his arm!
That WAS wild! Thanks.
Um no, you don't understand what I'm saying. Instances like where a lady on an operating table "dies" for a while, separates from the body, floats out a window, and sees, on the top most ledge of the hospital building, a tennis shoe, which when it's investigated, was right where she said it was in her OBE/NDE. There are numerous such instances, where the consciousness is detached from the body, goes somewhere, sees something, which the person on "reintegrating" could only have seen if they were actually "metaphysically" there at that other location.
I see the entire universe as being a program.
AI will fool people. One day you will not be able to tell the difference. It can be simulated, I came up with logic for all that. It will drive your car, it will cook your dinner, and all kinds of things. Because we can port our own logic into it, and it will follow that logic 100%.
And that you are a transhumanist reveals that you too are in search of the Godhead in your own way.
Originally posted by Welfhard
I think therein lies your problem, in all honesty.
But you think that ultimately AI could never take the next step. Perhaps the brain is the same, not a single instance of intelligence but thousands or millions working in accordance producing something that seems to experience.
Emergence could come out of this just like intelligent patterns in schools of fish and large clouds of birds. With every individual trying to get into the middle, a shared consciousness emerges, a net will that is highly reactive, almost reminiscent of a sentient being. Human traffic can behave in an emergent fashion aswell.
I'm one to think that consciousness is an illusion as is experience, rather we are more machine in our nature than we realise. It's clearly true that most of our brain function is not at all conscious - in fact we only seem to be conscious of one thing at a time, called the item of focus. We may be more systematic that we are willing to admit.
Most atheists just don't fathom or stop to think for a MOMENT, why or what believers believe. They ASS U ME everything about it.
It's extremely insulting to our intelligence, all this nonsense about irrational fear of death and control and all that
You want to be accepted as you are, that's fine, and the righ thing for me to do, as a so-called loving Christian believer, but for God's sake! give us believers the benefit of the doubt
Have a little more respect and I will likewise.
So make sure it doesn't happen.
It's as annoying as us believers attempting to foist our views onto you.
Firstly, I am open minded but I'm very critical at the same time (there was an epic thread about this premise fairly recently). And secondly I consider myself Agnostic-Atheist. I don't actually know there is no god but that skepticism will remain until I find evidence beyond a reasonable doubt.
I would simply encourage some people to take a bit more of an open minded approach, and to consider the label agnostic, instead of atheist.
The laws of physics are just logic.
When I create a program, I create the laws of the program with logic. I'm not sure what the big deal is, what do you think virtual worlds are?
AI can do many great things because we are able to put our logic into it. It is our logic that is "intelligent", and because the programs can follow our logic, they will do intelligent things.
I can simulate and give the illusion of many things. But in the end I always know it is just an illusion and artificial.
In a deterministic universe, the concepts of freedom and slavery are moot, as may our own imagined freedom and slavery be.
Do the tracks free the train, or enslave it?
What is time without anything to perceive it?
In order for it to be an illusion, there must be something first in which you can provide the illusion too, or manipulate/fool into believe it is real.
Think of all the things your PC is doing that you don't consciously tell it to do. Just following the patterns/gears like any other machine.