Stop playing the "Elite" card

reply to post by Southern Guardian



I agree!! Straight to the Point!!

Those that dislike the fascist form of government under Bush and the continuation of that policy under the new administration and also despise the slowly creeping form of socialism and voted for Obama have only themselves to blame for the mess.

[edit on 27-7-2009 by Gateway]

Originally posted by Awolscout
reply to post by Southern Guardian

 

Your argument might make sense if it weren't for the fact that votes most likely don't get counted anymore...

And you base this over what? We can say the same for the voting process through the rest of the world but solid evidence is needed. You say its pointless to vote because its not counted. How do you know? Have you gone to each district and found missing votes? It so easy for people to claim things now a days.

However I myself could pull some random number out of my rear end and say that Candidate X has just won by Y number of votes thereby gaining them Z number of district votes.

Same could be said over the assumption your vote isnt counted. Although I can assure you most folks voted for Obama and McCain. I'd pritty sure if a random candidate was put on the ballot and won there would be questions. As for the "elite" installing a candidate with the media fully behind, well aint that your issue? If the media is promoting a candidate supposedly installed by the elites why cant you think for yourself and decide?

You say don't blame the elite and don't blame the MSM, however do you really think that vote numbers cant be completely made up?

Its a possibility, however you base this fact on absolutely no evidence other than this theory of yours. I could say the same for Nasa, I didnt personally see them in space so how can they be in space? How do I know car is a real chevy?? Certainly didnt see the folks build it at a chevy plant!? I mean your argument is simply a moot. We have election officials who confirm the votes, often concerns are addresses. While I agree that anybody ignore some votes a declare this or that, you base this notion on absolutely nothing but an assumption. And even at that, why waste your given right to vote? Why complain about the government if you didnt vote? What business do you have in the democratic system if you willfully choose to ignore it?

SG

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
And you base this over what? We can say the same for the voting process through the rest of the world but solid evidence is needed. You say its pointless to vote because its not counted. How do you know? Have you gone to each district and found missing votes? It so easy for people to claim things now a days.

Well first off I didn't claim anything, I simply stated my personal opinion and by the way saying that it's so easy for people to claim thing's now a days goes both way's just as it's easy for me to claim that the voting process is non-existent, it's easy for you to claim that every vote count's.

Same could be said over the assumption your vote isnt counted. Although I can assure you most folks voted for Obama and McCain. I'd pritty sure if a random candidate was put on the ballot and won there would be questions. As for the "elite" installing a candidate with the media fully behind, well aint that your issue? If the media is promoting a candidate supposedly installed by the elites why cant you think for yourself and decide?

"If the media is promoting a candidate supposedly installed by the elites why cant you think for yourself and decide?", I find this puzzling for this reason If the elites installed a candidate this would assume that they had power to do so at will and if they controlled the media one would assume they had even more power than installing a candidate since being a candidate for presidency isn't all that hard there aren't exactly that many requirements to put your name in the hat. OK back to my original point after a slightly unnecessary segue, If an elite group installed a candidate and had the media blast it into our brains if you still believe at that point that your vote cant be completely discarded if it doesn't suit a group that can supposedly control multiple media outlets, to me that seems like irrational hope

Its a possibility, however you base this fact on absolutely no evidence other than this theory of yours. I could say the same for Nasa, I didnt personally see them in space so how can they be in space? How do I know car is a real chevy?? Certainly didnt see the folks build it at a chevy plant!? I mean your argument is simply a moot.

My argument is most definitely not moot, how can you truly believe that something you've never seen exists when in one or two experiments that I can think of have proven even when your there in person what is real may not have been real, I suppose I'm more arguing perception versus your argument of tangible, but I think the same ideas coincide in essence you should be constantly questioning what you cant see, If you feel my "theory" is moot then I'm probably not gonna change your mind on that and I'm not really gonna try since I'm just a regular ole apathetic 22 year old american.
But I most definitely did not claim fact, and you will never hear me claim a fact on anything I wont even say that the earth goes round is a fact because I don't know for myself, I don't study it Ive been told it I certainly believe it but I don't know for sure.

We have election officials who confirm the votes, often concerns are addresses. While I agree that anybody ignore some votes a declare this or that, you base this notion on absolutely nothing but an assumption. And even at that, why waste your given right to vote? Why complain about the government if you didnt vote? What business do you have in the democratic system if you willfully choose to ignore it?

and your right I do base this on nothing but an assumption, and you know what my own opinion even however you do the exact same. And why waste my given right to vote? because I don't think our votes are counted so obviously In my mind there is no given right to vote.

Originally posted by Awolscout
Well first off I didn't claim anything, I simply stated my personal opinion

And ofcourse thats the reason not to vote, this is the excuse to somebodies faulty decision in voting a personal in purely over what the media said? Sounds to me like another cop out sorry.

In the most powerful country in the world where information is so readily accessible, the fault of an individual who chose to waste their votes on what some pundit said, or what corporation made ads for who, is well not their fault. Because personally, you think its pointless? If anything that allows those entities in question to take advantage.

I find this puzzling for this reason If the elites installed a candidate this would assume that they had power to do so at will and if they controlled the media one would assume they had even more power than installing a candidate since being a candidate for presidency isn't all that hard there aren't exactly that many requirements to put your name in the hat.

It shouldnt be that much of a requirement to vote who you prefer on the issues. It shouldnt be that hard to access a compute and get the freedom of information on the choice of yours. The only reason these individual were elected to the presidency was with a significant amount of voters. The only reason why those senators who still get paid millions by lobbyists to sway the system are still in is because people continue to support them. The individuals who continue to support them and in the end suffer to consequences of a corrupt representitive only have themselves to blame, nobody else. They made that choice to support him or her, they made that choice to keep them in. Its time we hold the voters accountable for their own actions.

and your right I do base this on nothing but an assumption,

Well thanks for been honest atleast. Its time we do hold the voters mostly accountable as to who they vote for, or whether they vote at all when sh*t hits the fan and there are those who seek only to blame external entities.

SG