AT&T Reportedly Blocks 4Chan. This Is Going To Get Ugly.

Originally posted by OptionFour

Originally posted by fleabit
"I don't support the site but this is ridiculous!"

Wha..?

What it ridiculous is not supporting a site... then defending it. If you don't know anything about it, why are you defending it for cripes sake?

It's sites like this that will get the Internet monitored with reduced access. This site is full of porn, bestiality, pedophilia and worse. There is no checks... you can just waltz right in. There are viruses galore as well.

Maybe some day, people will see it's sites like these, and games like GTA, that will be the linchpins in bringing down further freedoms. If you want depravity, do it on your own time, with pay services. Supporting crap like this is what is going to make the Internet a pain in the ass to use at all, and you idiots will be screaming then, I'm sure.

What is to stop a 12 yo from visiting this site.. and seeing the worst of the worst, from suicide videos, to porn, to worse? Nothing. And people complain about it. Unreal.

What a heartily ridiculous assertion. I'll deal with the easier one first.

"Games like GTA". Well, the good news for you is that buying a game is optional, you must pay for it, and you play it on your own time, as you stipulated. The games are clearly marked on the front of the package, and . . . well, I dont' know what to tell you. If you don't want your child to have games like that then you should consider doing your job as a parent and not buying them. Nifty, no?

What you have to realize is that none of this is about 4chan. Its about the principle that is being assaulted. Someone is trying to assert the right to say that if they don't like an internet site, then you have no business looking at it, no matter if you're a discerning adult that can make your own decisions. Not only that, but you're paying for the service that they are trying to censor from you. Are you going to let them?

Great post! My thoughts exactly. There are people posting in here who aren't 4chan fans but its all about the principle of the whole thing!

Censorship is NOT good!

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Be careful, this could just be a rumor to cause more dismay. We need confirmation from tons of Comcast users before we can reach that conclusion.

Originally posted by SonicInfinity
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Be careful, this could just be a rumor to cause more dismay. We need confirmation from tons of Comcast users before we can reach that conclusion.

Agreed. Ill check back in the morning when I get up.

I am betting its an error as well.

Originally posted by fleabitYou are not a parent, are you. If you are, you need help, and I'm serious.

That's rather insulting coming from the man who's implied that he doesn't monitor his child on the internet.

Horribly wrong? lmao... you don't really know kids these days, do you. You can be a model parent, and if it's easy as typing 4-chan.com com into a browser window, there is NOTHING you can do that will stop them from visiting. The Internet is everywhere. Libraries, schools, cafes, friends homes, their own damn rooms! You think your speeches will stop them? Omg.. you are truly oblivious.

You can't shield your child from everything, that is correct. However, it is your responsibility to explain to your children what they've just seen, and come up with a way in which you can avoid them running into that kind of thing again. There are paid as well as free software which allows you to restrict access to certain sites. Libraries and cafes are monitored, schools are filtered, and, as I've been saying in multiple posts which you've proven that you refuse to read, a responsible parent would leave their child in the care of a fellow responsible parent. Simple as that. My speeches may not stop children from visiting disturbing sites, however, I can think of 10 ways that will kill a child's curiosity.

Censorship is counterproductive. YOU are fueling the child's curiosity, not me.

I was setting up Internet for a 12yo once, a male kid, in his room. I asked his parents "Would you like me to set up some content restriction?" They said "No, he is a good kid, that's no necessary." Ignorant fools. His older SISTER was actually yelling at his parents. "NO.. turn it ON!" And the kid was crying "I don't need that.. don't turn it on!" Hmmm.. if you don't want it on, there is a reason. Yet they had me not turn it on. So he could easily visit sites like this.

Okay? You have no idea what they were planning on doing with their computer, and you have no right to judge them. For all you know, they didn't want third party programs on their computer, and were going to manually monitor their children's internet use.

I realize many of you like sites like these, and are afraid you might lose access, and don't want that. It's not about censorship, it's about losing something you like.

No, it's about censorship. Don't tell me what my priorities are.

Why don't you complain and protest about 17M movies? Oh yea... it doesn't affect you. OMG IT'S CENSORSHIP! How funny. A 17M movie is ok, because it keeps kids away, but a site that depicts the worst of the worst is "ok," because clearly, any kid who visits is obviously the kid of horrible, horrible parents, who can't keep tabs on their kids.

Brilliant...

Because 17M movies aren't censored. They restrict access to children. Your analogy is horrible. It would be valid if 17M movies restrict access from EVERYONE because they don't want children subjected to it.

[edit on 7/27/2009 by Legend]

anon whole 4chan is down, ppl
anon try ping www.4chan.org

Looks like they have plans in the pipeline anyway, just found a new forum called PROJECT AT&T.

Personally though if my ISP started doing something similar i would just change to another ISP as soon as possible.

In my opinion best form of sending a message to the censor would be a mass cancellation from all users that have the service who oppose censorship regardless, watch their share prices plummet, hit em where it really hurts! In the wallet.

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Then that means either the site is going through a bubble or it is being DDoS'D. If the site is not back up within an hour, it is most likely the latter. I hope nobody thinks this is attributed to AT&T, since it probably isn't.

Block AT&T Back

okay, [young men], listen up.

there has been ONE good solution provided so far. if AT&T censors the internet, the internet censors them.

this is the way it used to work in the good ol' days, before there even was a WWW.

anyone in charge of a router, website, server, or anything at all connected to the internet, start blocking AT&T. When users call you to bitch, tell them that AT&T has decided to start censoring websites. Your users won't know the difference whether it's you or them, but they'll blame AT&T if you tell them to.

Forgive me for not posting instructions or netblocks, but anyone who actually does have this power already knows what to do.

godspeed, gentlemen.

AT&T own:

[edit on 27-7-2009 by CuriousSkeptic]

Originally posted by refuse_ordersIn my opinion best form of sending a message to the censor would be a mass cancellation from all users that have the service who oppose censorship regardless, watch their share prices plummet, hit em where it really hurts! In the wallet.

Some of us aren't fortunate enough to have reasonable options. The other ISP around my area has some of the worst service plans I have ever seen in a company.

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[young men]

I see what you did there.

Yea im on comcast and I cant get on..but if the AT&T ban was lifted it might just be overloaded

Originally posted by Legend

Originally posted by refuse_ordersIn my opinion best form of sending a message to the censor would be a mass cancellation from all users that have the service who oppose censorship regardless, watch their share prices plummet, hit em where it really hurts! In the wallet.

Some of us aren't fortunate enough to have reasonable options. The other ISP around my area has some of the worst service plans I have ever seen in a company.

Yeah i totally understand your situation dude, sadly if its the best your gonna get you might as well stick with it. Luckily where i am i have plenty of options.

Im sure lots of people would not stick with an ISP that censors anything, if i wanted my internet censored i would move to china

Well it's 2:20 am here and i just checked again and they still have the block on it. At least here in Chicago they do.

Just an update.

The entire 4chan.org website is down currently, probably due to server demand and everyone trying to get on.

For more updates check their twitter 4chanTwitter

I'm gonna call it a night but leave you all with my favorite quotes of the evening

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This isn't like going to war with Anontalk, or Scientology, or some website, it's AT& [blanking] T. There will be no lulz in this war.

This time the internet IS serious business.

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“
First they came for the pedophiles, and I did not speak out, because I was not a pedophile.

Then, they came for the pirates, and I did not speak out because I was not a pirate.

Then they came for anonymous, and I did not speak out because I was not anonymous.

Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak out for me.

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—Pehophile No. 148750237

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AT&T has declared war on the internet
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—Walter Cronkite after God asked what the latest news was.

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4chan Anonymous /b/rothers we are heading down a path that will lead either to one of the biggest victories on /b/ for this year , or total annihilation of a percentage of our userbase by AT&T. If you are not willing to take on AT&T then at least let it be known this censorship is going on by spreading it throughout the internet.

Sure it's just one company but how long untill it becomes 2 then 3 then 10 and so on and so on untill /b/ or even 4chan is no more then we will only have ourselves to blame for not acting. /b/rothers we fight and we fight hard for those that have already fallen.

Do it for the lulz

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—Anon trying to rally the troops

Tomorrow is going to be a hilarious day, trust me

[edit on 27-7-2009 by CuriousSkeptic]

4chan got slashdotted so I'm sure everyone is having trouble now due to server load..

tech.slashdot.org...

reply to post by fleabit


Look i don't know enough about that site to say whether or not i support it. But guess what it's not my place to support what other people want to see, that's their choice. From what i've read it's not my cup of tea, so i just won't go there.

But it is my place to say that my internet providor has absolutely no right at all to decide what sites i can and can't go to. I pay them to give me internet access, not limited to what they deem appropriate, and they damn well better supply the service that i pay for. It seems that they not only have to worry about 4chan, but they may also may have to worry about an awful lot of unhappy customers that take them to court for breech of contract.

As far as kids getting on that site, i agree with the others, it's the parents responsibility to monitor their children's internet activity. Far too many parents today are not doing their jobs as parents, which includes knowing where your children are, who they are with, and what they are doing. If your kid is off at Johnny's house going on innappropriate websites, then that's your fault as a parent for not getting to know what kind of kid Johnny is and not making sure that Johnny's parents monitor what goes on in their house. And yes i am a parent, one that took their parental resposibilities very seriously, of two full grown fine men and i'm also a grandmother, and no i don't visit that site.

The problem that you're not seeing is that if they are allowed to censor one site, they will continue to censor more and other providors will follow suit. How will you feel when the day comes that you try to come on ATS only to find that your service providor has blocked it ?

Just a quick note that this probably is not the best time to be tackling a component of US infrastructure as supposedly FEMA's NLE begins today.

www.fema.gov...

"NLE 09 will focus on intelligence and information sharing among intelligence and law enforcement communities, and between international, federal, regional, state, tribal, local and private sector participants...

Objectives:
Intelligence/Information Sharing and Dissemination
Counter-Terrorism Investigation and Law Enforcement
Air, Border and Maritime Security
Critical Infrastructure Protection
Public and Private Sector Alert/Notification and Security Advisories
International Coordination"

While CyberSecurity is not specifically mentioned, it probably resides in the "critical infrastructure protection" and the "intelligence and information sharing" portions. But then, if the US is intimidated by North Korea (or England, depending on source) it could be that they are looking for people to recruit!

I can't remember who said it but it went something like this.

"I completely disagree with what you are saying BUT I will die fighting for your right to say it"

I have never been to that site in fact hadn't even heard of it till today.

Of course it would be a brilliant way to increase traffic to your site and/or a reason to galvanise your membership to cyberwar against a company you didn't like- just a thought.

well ... you guys in the US need to do something, OTHERWISE, THEY WILL DO THIS TO OTHER SITES ....