AT&T Reportedly Blocks 4Chan. This Is Going To Get Ugly.

reply to post by fleabit

So if you REALLY wanted to support sites like ATS and the Internet as a whole, you wouldn't be defending sites like 4chan.

That's where you're wrong. If we do nothing to stop the censorship of 4chan by the time they come for sites like ATS it will be too late to stop them.

What's being defended is their right not to be blocked and our right to visit whatever site we wish to. I'm pretty sure if the site were filled with illegal things they would be legally shut down. Have you ever seen some of the crap they show on youtube, kids can access that with no problem too.

I can see the reason for AT&T's blocking of 4chan; occasionally, child porn is posted on 4chan. However, the laws on child porn state that it is illegal and that distributors and viewers/purchasers of it will be prosecuted. As far as I know (correct me if I'm wrong), there is no law that states that sites known to contain child porn should be mandatorily blocked.

Although 4chan does occasionally contain child porn, it does not advocate child porn, and posters of child porn are banned from 4chan (if the moderators can find them). Thusly, 4chan is, basically, a self-sustaining pornsite where the users post the porn. This is not illegal; thusly, AT&T have no reason to mandatorily block 4chan. Although I am not American, I do not want America turning into China. What next, Star-Speckled Dam?

This is assuming that AT&T are blocking 4chan; however, that in itself is fairly obvious.

What are the reasons for only censoring 4chan.org? Why not censor every other photo uploading site online? I pay AT&T so that I can use the internet however I wish, I don't pay them to tell me what sites I can and can't go to. Very concerned about this.

4chan is a disturbing site, to say the least. I visit once in a while for some laughs, but most of the time, the disturbing nature of the site overshadows the humor. It's incredible that it has yet to be closed.

[edit on 27-7-2009 by Thrilla Kid]

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[edit on 27-7-2009 by TylerKing]

This wont end well for either party.
lols.

The site was closed due to DOS (Denial of Service) attacks on 4chan, which undeniably would have been consuming bandwidth from AT&T's customers. The official announcements from both parties concerned has already been posted on the page before this within this very thread.

Summary; nothing to be seen here except our communities and other communities over eagerness to jump onto the conspiracy bandwagon.

I say again, nothing to be seen here concerning conspiracies.




Edit: I can't spell, fixed spelling mistakes.

[edit on 28/7/09 by Sed Non Credo]

reply to post by bl4ke360

I really think that the hackers at 4chan are being baited. Consider this, TPTB have been itching to switch the internet from a relatively free place, to another tool of control. They need an excuse that ordinary people can get behind. They may be planning on provoking the hackers on 4chan into an unprecedented attack. Then the media can pull up the worst examples of what has gone on at 4chan, the worst examples of what hackers can do, and hold it up to the public saying See, we just want to protect you from these monsters, won't you let us protect *control* you?

They'll be using the T word before you know it.

reply to post by Hyzera


True but U know theres some dude out there just about to pull a LERRROY JENKINSSS!

Originally posted by chise61
reply to post by fleabit

 

So if you REALLY wanted to support sites like ATS and the Internet as a whole, you wouldn't be defending sites like 4chan.

That's where you're wrong. If we do nothing to stop the censorship of 4chan by the time they come for sites like ATS it will be too late to stop them.

What's being defended is their right not to be blocked and our right to visit whatever site we wish to. I'm pretty sure if the site were filled with illegal things they would be legally shut down. Have you ever seen some of the crap they show on youtube, kids can access that with no problem too.

/agreed

I thought the ban was a mistake and had ended. Why are people still speculating about it instead of getting informed? typical ATS bull#!

en.wikipedia.org...

-rrr

A company I worked for once disabled reader response boards after employees made death threats at each other while posing as members of the public. If a company is blocking a profitable service, 10 times out of 10 it involves threats, stalking, libel or other illegal activity, not censorship unless trademark infringement, violations of national security or other serious offenses are an element.

HOORAY

It's about time someone fired the shot in this war

If you know a war is going to start, best moment is the day the first shot is fired... the inevitable END to that war is then that much closer.

The inevitable result of this is major losses for AT&T this is the fight they can never win... the media is the left arm of The old Guard and they absolutely have NO IDEA how to fight this fight.

They can't filter Millions of websites

It is basic common sense in business that to hold a market you need the youth market, the continual creation of NEW consumers...

AT&T will loose 90% of the under 30 market... over the next 5-10 years they are going to loose Billions...

This is a Major power shift coming and those that fear the net are going to be the Big Losers



I have just one thing to say....

ALL BAN AT&T FOR LIFE Everyone needs to immediately HALT the use of all AT&T products and services worldwide any companies supported and owned by AT&T

Feel free to repeat this message on 1 Billion websites


This is AT&T

AT&T has issued an updated privacy policy that takes effect Friday. The changes are significant because they appear to give the telecom giant more latitude when it comes to sharing customers' personal data with government officials. The new policy says that AT&T -- not customers -- owns customers' confidential info and can use it "to protect its legitimate business interests, safeguard others, or respond to legal process." The policy also indicates that AT&T will track the viewing habits of customers of its new video service -- something that cable and satellite providers are prohibited from doing. Moreover, AT&T (formerly known as SBC) is requiring customers to agree to its updated privacy policy as a condition for service -- a new move that legal experts say will reduce customers' recourse for any future data sharing with government authorities or others. The company's policy overhaul follows recent reports that AT&T was one of several leading telecom providers that allowed the National Security Agency warrantless access to its voice and data networks as part of the Bush administration's war on terror. "They're obviously trying to avoid a hornet's nest of consumer-protection lawsuits," said Chris Hoofnagle, a San Francisco privacy consultant and former senior counsel at the Electronic Privacy Information Center. "They've written this new policy so broadly that they've given themselves maximum flexibility when it comes to disclosing customers' records," he said. AT&T is being sued by San Francisco's Electronic Frontier Foundation for allegedly allowing the NSA to tap into the company's data network, providing warrantless access to customers' e-mails and Web browsing. AT&T is also believed to have participated in President Bush's acknowledged domestic spying program, in which the NSA was given warrantless access to U.S. citizens' phone calls. AT&T said in a statement last month that it "has a long history of vigorously protecting customer privacy" and that "our customers expect, deserve and receive nothing less than our fullest commitment to their privacy." But the company also asserted that it has "an obligation to assist law enforcement and other government agencies responsible for protecting the public welfare, whether it be an individual or the security interests of the entire nation." Under its former privacy policy, introduced in September 2004, AT&T said it might use customer's data "to respond to subpoenas, court orders or other legal process, to the extent required and/or permitted by law." The new version, which is specifically for Internet and video customers, is much more explicit about the company's right to cooperate with government agencies in any security-related matters -- and AT&T's belief that customers' data belongs to the company, not customers. "While your account information may be personal to you, these records constitute business records that are owned by AT&T," the new policy declares. "As such, AT&T may disclose such records to protect its legitimate business interests, safeguard others, or respond to legal process." It says the company "may disclose your information in response to subpoenas, court orders, or other legal process," omitting the earlier language about such processes being "required and/or permitted by law."

This is who AT&T really is

An Immediate Ban on all AT&T related services needs to go into effect, they are what we call "snitches"

Any company that doesn't support these kinds of policies nor engages in censorship deserves your financial support, it's time to create Media Giants from companies that truely represent US

Our purchase dollar determines their strength choose NOT to support AT&T and win battle 1

reply to post by Hyzera


I AT&T can get sued. The website owners can sue and so can their ISP.

I can't believe how much censorship is going on in the U.S It was first video games and now this. Now websites is then next attack on the 1st amendment.

I personally don't like AT&T services. I had them like 5 years ago and they loved to take my money. They overcharged me 2 times. I complained to them and they denied of such over charge. I supposed to pay 50 bucks a month for internet yet they charged me 100 bucks a month for 2 months. I then stopped their services and still till this day I get marketing mail junk from them saying that they value my business and other stuff... blah blah blah.

Now hearing this shows they love to have power. If you didn't notice that AT&T were the first internet/phone company to start bushes wire tapping program on their services.

Now hearing this doesn't surprise me but hope people raise blank on them. I mean it's censorship. I thought we have freedom of speech in this country. even if you have to tone town your speech to a respectable voice. Still their shouldn't be any restrictions on freedom of expressions.

I would love to see how this plays out. Was the website contacted about this blockage?

I would love to see if a legal suit occurs and how it plays out.

Soon we won't have freedom to think...

I've been to 4chan... maybe 3 times.
Two of the three times I witnessed child pornography being posted.

While I in NO WAY advocate censorship of the internet... I almost can't blame them for blocking this particular site.

It is a complete and total cesspit of human devolution.

Originally posted by Miran
I've been to 4chan... maybe 3 times.
Two of the three times I witnessed child pornography being posted.

While I in NO WAY advocate censorship of the internet... I almost can't blame them for blocking this particular site.

It is a complete and total cesspit of human devolution.

Once upon a time. Years ago this was true.

Yesterday I hung out on 4chan/b/ for about 4-5 hours and the only CP there was a link to something that other posters viewed and said was sick CP. Then you know what happened? The black hats retrieved the cp posters IP, name, and address and forwarded it to the proper authorities. It wasn't Moot or the mods to got the guys info it was just a regular member.

4chan polices itself now. Yes they like their JB pics, but JB isn't CP and they try hard to keep it legal(at least in terms of porn).

Vas

Originally posted by rationaluser
This is not right if img.4chan.org was malicious i certainly would not be there and users views are very subjective was dusty malicious or was it right and if AT&T take it upon themselves to do this then don't blame the internet if it exorcises it's right to protest you know this new thing called "freedom of speech" that thing we seem to be losing.

Wow..a little punctuation would have been nice..but i see what you mean...lol

reply to post by Vasilis Azoth


I'll admit, this was a year ago. I haven't been back. And the mods took care of it then too, but before they did all of the comments about how "hot" it was were pouring in at an alarming rate.
And this wasn't jb, these were children, just so that's clear.

Aside from child porn, the site is just filled with disgusting material that would offend most normal people. And I don't mean porn or naked girls, I mean the really sick stuff that isn't deleted by mods. Like it's normal.

But to each their own, we all have the right to choose our entertainment. And like I said I'm not for censorship at all. This is a bad move on AT&T's part... but I almost understand. Almost.

reply to post by Vasilis Azoth


You've fallen for the trolls. There is no way a regular user can get the ip of another poster. That's what they like to say to scare people from sending illegal material but it's just trolling

reply to post by Dracan6


lets hope he's well stocked on chicken. your comment was hilarious. good times.

on topic, i believe this was simply a testing the waters thing on part of at&t. but luckily, m00t and the others had the foresight to keep the legion in check. the saying that there is no such thing as bad pr is faulty on so many levels.

love and peace