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As a scientist I am calling B.S. on this one. If it sounds too good to be true it most assuredly is. Notice the complete lack of actual tech data.

I have talked to several professors at the college here and they have agreed that using water was completely possible and would be efficient, but was withheld due to the fact it would be so cheap.

Originally posted by ALLis0NE
Scientific truths:

A: Electrolysis of water creates hydrogen.
B: Hydrogen is flammable, and explosive.
C: Engines can be run off of hydrogen.

Everyone knows A, B, and C, are 100% true.

Yes but I'm fairly sure that you cannot possibly make enough hydrogen on board a vehicle to then power that vehicle... Or even if you can the cost of the electricity far out weighs the benefit you would get from the Hydrogen.

Originally posted by johnnyflip
As a scientist I am calling B.S. on this one. If it sounds too good to be true it most assuredly is. Notice the complete lack of actual tech data.

As a skeptic I'm calling BS on your BS call. First, if you're using the scientist card you need to validate that with information about yourself. I'm not saying you should break anonimity, I'm saying that if you want to use the argument of authority you need to break anonimity or I will play your "scientist" card with my "hahaha really?!" card. You could be doing investigative research on the mating habits of gnats, you'd still be a scientist and your opinion would still be worth the same as everyone else's regarding H2O combustion.

There is some technical data on the pages, at least at a quick glance. What I personally need to know is the ressonance frequency which breaks the water molecule. If I know that I have a feeling that within a few years I'll have a HHO burning ICE fueled from nothing more than water. Might not get away with having it on a car just yet, but a boat... a boat would be good.

Funny i came accross this thread tonight...
I was thinking earlier while driving my 1200 cc bike to have a water injection system fitted to it instead of a turbocharget to boost power and torque...

Originally posted by Now_Then
Yes but I'm fairly sure that you cannot possibly make enough hydrogen on board a vehicle to then power that vehicle... Or even if you can the cost of the electricity far out weighs the benefit you would get from the Hydrogen.

That is not entirely true.

Today's old style electrolysis is very inefficient, and slow, I agree.

However that does not mean it is impossible to speed up the process and find/discover a better style of electrolysis that could use less energy. There are literally thousands of different ways to create electrolysis devices, and not every single way has been tested or discovered.

You never know, someone could find that "sweet spot" that will produce enough hydrogen on the fly with very little power input. Some people claimed to already have done that.

IT IS NOT IMPOSSIBLE.

Been reading that website for years, there is a lot of interesting stuff there.

In fact I have it mirrored on my main website.

If anybody wants a copy of it in zip format, give a holler and I'll upload it somewhere. The filesize is 210 megs.

Just the fact that we are talking about this makes this thread worth a star and flag. Well done Amag.

It really doesn't matter if this version works or not. As soon as someone figures it out, or this info sparks something in the right person, the better we'll all (or at least them and their closest) be.

I believe this kind of inspiration (if nothing else) deserves to be spread as far and wide as possible if even the most minuscule amount of possibility exists.

IMHO, and because it has the potential to better the whole of mankind, it is far better to make a multitude of cheap mistakes, than mistakenly and neglectfully ignore the magnitude of even the slightest possibility that this is true.

Originally posted by Byrd


One square centimeter of water doesn't yield a cubic centimeter of hydrogen. It yields a lot less.

It would yield more. I don't feel like doing the calculations right now, but it would yield more.

You can't use it in its gas form (not dense enough) so you have to liquefy it.

Yes you can. If you break the H2O into H2 and O2, you have the perfect ratio for complete combustion. I discussed this with a cousin and he rigged a device onto a lawnmower and he said it worked great. Now I am not saying that you have an alternator on your car that has enough output to run your car on this gas.

I just want to clarify some stuff for people who might not have read, or perhaps fully understood the concept.

The frequency doesn't seem that critical, it's probably dependent on the dimensions of the cylinders, it says 10-250Hz - using a square pulse.

No hydrogen or oxygen are stored - only water is stored. The gasses and vapor collect in the top of the cylinder - at around 30kPa you have enough pressure to run the engine.

The water is not wholly electrolyzed - it is mainly separated by high frequency vibration due to the fact it is polarized - you can agitate it - just like a microwave does - use the right frequency and you separate the atoms at low energy.

Not all the water molecules are separated - rather you have a mixture of O2, H2 and H2O injected into the combustion chamber - the more power you want, the higher the concentration of the combustibles. The water that is not electrolyzed is necessary - it is the expanding gas, the combustibles mainly provide heat to vaporize the water.

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Originally posted by Edrick

When you electrolize (Split) water, the minimum amount of energy that you have to put in, in order to split one mole of hydrogen from the water, is below what is released when one mole of hydrogen is burned with oxygen to recombine into water.

Thus, this meyers cell (Through our current understanding of chemistry, and quantum physics) cannot produce anything more than an efficient electrolization reaction (Current DC Electrolyzers are around 30% efficient)

Placeing a non overunity cell in your car would merely over complicate the design, without adding any benefit whatsoever, because you STILL have to carry all of the energy to SPLIT the water, to turn to hydrogen, to burn with oxygen.... making this a inefficient design.

Now, it *IS* possible that the resonance frequency acts upon a "Segment" of reality that science has not yet observed, and is drawing the extra energy from there... but if this were true, it would still not be overunity... merely an unknown energy reservoir.

Thanks for the response. A couple of things - as I haven't tried this, I can't confirm it - but the text indicates it is NOT conventional electrolysis - which as you have stated is inefficient.

The other thing you brought up was storage - but this burns the fuel as soon as its made - there is no storage except for the water - a small amount of vapor is stored at the top of the cyclinder at 30kPa - as it is burned, it is replced.