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Amish: A silent timebomb

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posted on Jul, 25 2009 @ 08:54 PM
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reply to post by Geladinhu
 

I didn't post on here to be judged by you, or anyone. Thats not what this forum is for. You have a serious attitude problem. Must be I struck a nerve for you? I posted facts. To share with the world. Nothing is screwed up for me. I have a good secure job, a happy family, beautiful children, and a fairly comfy life. I'm just tired of having to smell the Amish body odor in the stores, run over their horses feces in the streets and knowing that they don't have to follow many of our standard laws. My point is, why should they be allowed to get away with blatently breaking the law, while everyone else can't? And by the way, I have no police record. If I did, I certainly couldn't have the secure job I have.

Anyway, the original post isn't about me, its about them. May we stay on track here without judging each other for simply posting facts?? I'm not here to name call, call out other members or tell someone they're an idiot because they have an opinion. I highly doubt that the ATS people would condone the rudeness.

Now, back to discussions about the Amish, not me......


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posted on Jul, 25 2009 @ 09:05 PM
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I was not judging you, I was sharing my observations as to make everyone including yourself understand better the "Amish problem".

But it seems like you don't really want to understand, just want some motivation to keep bashing a culture that its just "too much for you".

I'm out. Have fun enjoying your perfect life and getting rid of all those filthy and sketchy Amish.




posted on Jul, 25 2009 @ 09:06 PM
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Originally posted by MadDogtheHunter
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I'm just tired of having to smell the Amish body odor in the stores, run over their horses feces in the streets and knowing that they don't have to follow many of our standard laws. My point is, why should they be allowed to get away with blatently breaking the law, while everyone else can't?[edit on 7/25/2009 by MadDogtheHunter]


They are in cahoots with the New World Order, and the U.N.

Do a google search on "beaver county militia"



posted on Jul, 25 2009 @ 09:13 PM
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Aside from the child abuse and incest, what really makes me mad about these people......is how they treat the land they own. I have seen many, many beautiful forests totally stripped in the wake of the arrival of the Amish. Yeah, we "english" are known to do the same. But these people are supposed to love what they are "given"? The obviously don't. Like I stated breifly earlier, they buy large tracts of land, and hire a timber company to strip the trees out. Then 5 years later, they move on to new land in a new area, and repeat this behavior. They're like locusts. All the areas of western NY that they bought up, are now ruined. These places will take generations to regrow to the beauty they once displayed. When the timber companies they hire won't totally strip the land of the trees, then a crew of Strawhats (thats what Amish are called locally), swoop in and finish the clearing. Number 1, strip harvesting trees is illegal in NY. But they don't care, because Number 2, our laws don't apply to them.

[edit on 7/25/2009 by MadDogtheHunter]


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posted on Jul, 25 2009 @ 09:38 PM
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I have had limited exposure to the Amish, but I do understand their beliefs. They are what I would term a 'radical' arm of Christianity. They do not use electricity or oil-based fuels, preferring to do things the old way, the hard way, the tried-and-true way.

While we as a society have declined in strength, both physical and of character, the Amish have not. Their children do not go on shooting sprees at the local schoolhouse. There are no drug problems, no gangs, no theft, no random acts of vandalism or violence in a typical Amish community. Their children are well-behaved, their adults are strong and hardy, and their elderly are respected.

A while back, an armed (non-Amish) man walked into an Amish schoolhouse and threatened the children. Two of the older students, sisters, stood up to this gunman and offered their own lives to save those of the younger children. Both succeeded in that offer, and died in that schoolhouse while calmly trying to talkm to the gunman.

It turns out that the gunman was a troubled member of the expanded community who had some sort of lifelong gripe with the Amish people in general. He died as well.

In the aftermath, a collection was taken up for the parents of the dead children. A substantial sum was raised and offered to them. At the funeral, the widow of the gunman was spotted by the family standing off to the side weeping. The family, despite their loss, went to and comforted the woman, explaining that they held no anger toward her. They then donated the entire amount they had received from the fundraiser to her, so she could bury her dead husband... the same man who had just wiped out their children.

This was a rare glimpse into the private lives of the Amish. No one asked to become the subject of a national news story. It just happened. How many of you reading this could give away money raised for your dead children to the wife of their murderer? I dare say none; ashamedly I count myself in with everyone else in that regard.

I have seen Amish in the truck stops around southeastern PA. They purchase a bottle of water, perhaps. They are quiet and simply pay for their purchase and leave. They bother no one, and ask no one for anything.

Do they 'beat' their children? Quite probably; they have the best-behaved children anywhere around. Do they 'beat' their wives? Possibly; I do not know. Would I personally consider this behavior excessive? Possibly. But here's the real rub: IT'S NOT MY PLACE TO JUDGE THEM.

As I understand it, the Amish have received an exception from the laws of the USA under the same arrangement that allows for Indian reservations. They are therefore not part of the United States. They live here, but that's all; they do not use public schools, public courts, police, or fire protection; they use public roadway shoulders sparingly, at speeds akin to walking speed. And in order to use the shoulder of those public roadways, they have made one concession: on every Amish buggy, there is a tiny generator mounted on the axle and two blinking lights mounted in the rear... turn signals.

They do not worship money. They respect strength, both of body and spirit. If they need something, they make it. They grow their own food, build their own buildings, teach their own children, make their own clothes, and live their own lives apart from the rest of us. In many ways I envy these people: they not only preach their beliefs, but they live them in a manner that not one of us could duplicate.


originally posted by MadDogtheHunter

I can't recall what I did, but I do recall the mother grabbing me around the shoulders from behind, and hitting the backs of my bare legs atleast 8 times with that damn bat.

I remember when I was young, my mother grabbed one shoulder and held me in place while she whipped my legs with a green switch. She drew blood. Today, that would be considered child abuse, but it kept me in line. And believe it or not, the legs healed up. Do I hate my mother? Absolutely not! Even though I also do not recall what it was for, I do know my mother loves me and therefore would not have spanked me for nothing.

Today, that label of 'child abuse' is used to force other parents to lessen discipline on their children. The result is that the parent who uses the least amount of discipline is the one who will be seen as law-abiding. this creates a climate where parents can (and frequently do!) become afraid to even correct their children. Is it any wonder we have seen child violence grow to unheard-of levels in recent years? I have escaped that trap, mainly because I am tough enough and secure enough in my morality to assert that I will discipline my children the way I see fit, and anyone who wants to take issue with that will find themselves with a thorough definition of what abuse really is. Sadly, I am the exception on this. I have two teenage children now who are respectful, smart, compassionate, and well on their way to professional careers and a successful life. Their schools are full of those with no such hopes and no morality.


originally posted by MadDogtheHunter

They built many sawmills, schools, furniture shops, farms and Amish Stores (to serve their people). Soon, the annoying sounds of horse hooves on the paved roads echoed in everyones ears constantly every day. And every 500 feet on the sides of the roads and town streets, saw collections of horse feces. Do they stop and clean up after their horses? No.


Why is building something a bad thing?

What is it about the sound of a horse that bothers you? many people besides the Amish ride horses.

Are you really expecting a life where there are no feces present? You do understand that even birds flying overhead drop waste, right? That waste is actually fertilizer for plant life. And I would expect that this is somewhat of an exaggeration as well, since I know of no horses (or other animals for that matter) who defecate with such astounding regularity. Even in the heart of Amish country, I rarely saw buggys. It's not like New York rush hour with buggys.

It sounds to me like you have a problem with the Amish in general, quite possibly since they were the only ones who ever tried to discipline you, and now you look for excuses to hate them and persecute them.


originally posted by MadDogtheHunter

To add to all my experiences with these Amish people, is the simple fact of their lack of personal hygiene practices, that spreads viruses in many rural areas. In this coming age of Swine Flu and other viruses, the Amish act as carriers.

Amazing that the Amish have survived these many generations without the doctors and medicines and hospitals we as a society seem to need in order to survive. Carriers? How about 'healthy'. I seriously doubt that the swine flu virus is concerned about what religion one is.


originally posted by MadDogtheHunter

Local school districts ALLOW the Amish children to ride the school buses, however, the buses drop them off at the AMISH schools.

It has always been my understanding that the Amish themselves will forbid their children to ride on petroleum-fueled vehicles. It is also my understanding that Amish schools are built on Amish land and therefore need no public transportation. Am I wrong on this?


originally posted by MadDogtheHunter

I have also seen them forcing their little 3 year old children to sweat in the barns and fields, working like the adults and teenagers. They also practice INCEST. In numerous Amish families, they're teenage sons and daughters are expected to "breed" atleast once.

I remember my father once saying that no one ever died form hard work. Apparently he was right; I am still here.

Perhaps it sounds like torture to you, having to actually learn to work rather than sitting in an air-conditioned room with electric lights, music, and a video game all day, but you should realize that yours is the first generation to have that 'advantage'. The older people among us have had to work since we were old enough to walk... and that is NOT child abuse.

I have never heard of the incest; rather I understood that the Amish were actually rather prudish. Could you substantiate this claim for me?


originally posted by MadDogtheHunter

Amish will buy houses that the "English" have built, rip out the electric wires and plumbing, rendering these houses pretty much worthless by any future "non-Amish" people who wish to purchase them. Amish will also buy large tracts of forested land, strip it of its trees for money, and then abandon the land, moving on to a new area, to do the same there.

The key word here is they 'buy' houses and remove the wiring and plumbing. Once one buys something, it is theirs to do with as they see fit. If this renders them worthless to others, then they will not be able to sell them, and will bear the economic consequences.

If anyone buys land, strips it of timber, then simply moves on to buy more, that person is extremely wealthy. Even with the high price of timber, land is higher. That is why timber companies replant trees on their own land; they have to in order to make anything of the land. This is just the clincher to your argument; your claim is simply not feasible.

Perhaps you are speaking of the Mennonites? They have many of the same customs as the Amish, but are not as radical in their denial of all things modern. Perhaps they ride buses, and babysit those of other religious views.

Ignorance denied.

TheRedneck



posted on Jul, 25 2009 @ 09:38 PM
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From what I have been taught about the Amish, they have a tremendous respect for the land, looking at it as a gift of God. The Mennonites have the same opinion.
As far as being spanked with a spoon, have you ever been whipped with a willow switch? My mother would send me out to get a switch, and then she would procede to carve her initials into my arse with it.
It did no permanent damage to me. But it sure as hell impressed me that I needed to mind my manners, respect my elders, and leave other peoples property alone.
I have never been arrested, I have never had a DUI, I have never had a problem keeping a job. The only problem I have ever had with the law is an occaisional speeding ticket
Incest among the Amish? It is hard to avoid, considering they have a limited gene pool. After all, they don't allow the "English" to join them very often. But forced brother-sister incest? I'm sorry, but what you describe sounds like something off of some internet perv site. Sorry if it offends you, but I just don't beleive it. Sonehow we would have heard of it. (After all, we have heard about the incest in the mormon communities in New Mexico and Arizona. Why have we not had some scandal regarding the Amixh?



posted on Jul, 25 2009 @ 09:57 PM
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this is great. first of all, you didn't post "facts". you posted your observations and opinions.

so you don't have a problem with body odor in general, just "Amish body odor"? I smell plenty of non Amish in my daily life, lol.

what laws are they breaking specifically?

"Soon, the annoying sounds of horse hooves on the paved roads echoed in everyones ears constantly every day. And every 500 feet on the sides of the roads and town streets, saw collections of horse feces. Do they stop and clean up after their horses? No."

I see the rest of us throwing trash out car windows, speeding, playing loud music in residential neighborhoods, running red lights and stop signs, drinking and driving, the list could go on.

I am thrilled to hear horses' hooves and see horse poo on the road compared to that stuff.

This is amusing as well, "I have also seen them forcing their little 3 year old children to sweat in the barns and fields, working like the adults and teenagers."

I grew up working in my family's fields and barns as well. Ever consider the fact that their lives and beliefs are based in family and hard work? Sure, criticize them because they include the children in tasks that benefit the family and teach them the value of work instead of shipping them off to daycare or letting them stay indoors all day playing video games and growing up not appreciating earning what they have?

Last, but not least, "Amish will buy houses that the "English" have built, rip out the electric wires and plumbing, rendering these houses pretty much worthless by any future "non-Amish" people who wish to purchase them. Amish will also buy large tracts of forested land, strip it of its trees for money, and then abandon the land, moving on to a new area, to do the same there"

Seems to me, if you buy property, you can do with it as you will. First of all, most Amish build their own homes with community help. Second, those that do buy English built resell the stuff they take out to recoup some of the cost. Third, just because the house may be "worthless" to you, doesn't mean it is to someone else. Lastly, there are plenty of people that want to buy cleared land because they don't like trees. I'm sure developers would find that appealing as well.

I suggest you do a little research.

Amish DO pay taxes. www.holycrosslivonia.org...


Self-employed Amish do not pay Social Security tax. Those employed by non- Amish employers do pay Social Security tax. The Amish do pay real estate, state and federal income taxes, county taxes, sales tax, etc.


www.amishnews.com...

While the Amish have no objection "paying unto Caesar what is Caesar’s," they do have problems with commercial insurance. In a sense, insurance was seen as not trusting in God. Insurance plans were a worldly operation. Plus, the Amish view of separation of church and state normally meant not accepting money from government programs, especially something viewed as welfare. No one could deny that this program was one of paying money to the government and then receiving a benefit in return.
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Further meetings and public reaction mainly in support of the Amish continued through the year 1964. And so it came to pass that in 1965, the Medicare bill was passed by Congress. As Wayne Fisher writes in The Amish in Court, "Tucked into the 138 page bill was a clause exempting the Old Order Amish, and any other religious sect who conscientiously objected to insurance, from paying Social Security payments, providing that sect had been in existence since December 31, 1950. After Senate approval in July, the signing of the bill by President Lyndon B. Johnson on August 13, 1965, made it official and canceled tax accounts of some 15,000 Amish people amounting to nearly $250,000."


I have lived around, worked with, provided care to and socialized with Amish and Mennonites for most of my life and envy them



posted on Jul, 25 2009 @ 10:02 PM
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Rules vary between each sect of Amish. I've seen Amish folks use gasoline powered generators and lawn mowers here in Michigan and Indiana. Forced incest? I have not heard of that in this area and I know some Amish and people who know them better than me. I would have heard about that. I know they are a lot like us "english" there are the good and bad in their community as well.

The Amish I know close to me are more laid back and gentle. They go out of their way to help in their community. The people around here are pleased with them.

I do know an Amish family in Indiana who had more than ten kids and most of them have left their community and joined the world. The dad now admits he was too hard on his kids and it breaks his heart.

They have strange rules that seem hypocritical, but I respect them as much as possible.

I'm sorry for your bad experience. I believe you about the abuse. I've heard and read stores about it.

They do get a little ripe at times, however the Amish around here have running water in their homes and fully functioning bathrooms.

As far as I know they pay the same taxes around here as the English. I will check with my friend who has a LOT of Amish friends.

I don't understand why the state would not get involved in child abuse cases. They all have birth certificates and social security numbers, which is all the state needs to intervene with their kids.

I agree that children who get spanked when they are young turn out much better and are well behaved. My parents did a good job with me and I turned out allright. I got plenty of spankings and I'm fine.



posted on Jul, 25 2009 @ 10:06 PM
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ran out of room in previous post........

I hear people saying the same kinds of things everyday about other groups of people that don't act and think like them.

I, for one, wish at times that I lived their way of life.

There are bigger things in this life to worry about than horse poop and how someone else chooses to live their life.



posted on Jul, 25 2009 @ 10:18 PM
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all well said redneck.

I grew up occassionally having encounters with my dad's paddle or belt and the odd switches, lol. I echo your opinion about how it' now considered abuse and it's sad.

I will state for the record that I gave my kids the occassional swat with my hand, no paddle, belt or switch, and they have turned out to be better people than I consider myself to be.

you made lots of good points



posted on Jul, 25 2009 @ 10:26 PM
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Thank you LiveFreeOrDie

What really irked me about this thread is that I do read the anti-Christian threads that seem to be a staple on ATS (although I rarely get involved as it is of no use to explain something to someone who doesn't want to understand it). After hearing all the com,plaints about Christians who do not practice what they preach and are just as corrupt and worldly as the rest of society (al of which is unfortunately true), here is one complaining that a sect actually follows through with their beliefs.

Sort of like "damned if you do, damned if you don't"... and btw, I liked your points as well.


TheRedneck



posted on Jul, 25 2009 @ 11:54 PM
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I would choose horse manure over car exhaust in the city any day of the week. At least the horse manure doesn't contain toxic lead.

Re: child-beating: Spare the rod, and spoil the child.

Incest: Anecdotal. Sure would like to see some court cases to support this allegation.

Vaccines, etc.: From what I understand, the Amish have pretty healthy families compared to the rest of the the U.S. Some anti-vaccine proponents even point to the low cases of autism in the Amish. Hygiene issues? So they aren't wearing deodorant (containing aluminum, some think it's linked to Alzheimer's), Calvin Klein cologne (big deal), and live a more natural, outdoors, self-sufficient lifestyle.

What am I missing here? So maybe they smell more like our American farmers did 100 years ago. Whooptee-doo. I would rather deal with that than some of the super strong perfumes and cosmetics that you smell in most professional offices these days.

Stripping trees: Kind of like our industrialized areas and residential home builders, right? I think that modern society is much worse in this regard than the Amish. Trees grow back.

Laws, etc.: The Amish live separate from the rest of the U.S. population, and are self-sufficient. Not much different from any number of Indian reservations, and other religious organizations that live separate from society. At least you don't hear stories about the Amish engaged in violent crimes, robberies, drug peddling, or any of the other nasty vices in our society.

They are productive and self-sufficient. This aspect of their life should be emulated not scorned.

Kids working at young age: Good thing. Kids need discipline and hard work, even if it means working at a generally young age. I am sure that there is adult supervision and family support of these little ones as they learn the ropes. That's better than our kids that watch TV, play video games all day, and don't get any exercise.



posted on Jul, 26 2009 @ 07:03 AM
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Originally posted by CookieMonster09


Re: child-beating: Spare the rod, and spoil the child.

Incest: Anecdotal. Sure would like to see some court cases to support this allegation.



So....you agree to them beating their kids so hard they leave welts on their skin? Thats sick and very disturbing.

Incest....um, you won't see any court cases for that, because our judicial system isn't within their beliefs.

So.....just how many people here can say they had the opprotunity to see the every day lives of Amish for a period of atleast 5 years? I don't mean talking to an Amish guy at the store a few times a week, or driving them around once in a while, or watching documentaries or you tube videos about them either. I mean, actually experience their lives on a daily basis....just as though you were part of their family. Can anyone else here say that? Not hardly.

Its funny how outsiders can pass their opinions, without the experience to back them up. When someone who used to be on the inside posts just a few FACTS about what goes on, the outsiders run in screaming foul play.

What I posted of the Amish in this area, is FACTS. Not opinions. Some of you need to look up the definitions of the words FACT and OPINION.

Yes, the Amish do exist in several different Sects, or ordinans. The different ordinans are governed by slightly different rules. For example, like in the video that was posted earlier, some Amish have indoor plumbing, gas cook stoves and so on. The ordinans around here do not allow those things at all. No inside bathrooms either. They all have outhouses. The Amish kids ride our school buses if they live more than a few miles from their school. The Amish knock on our doors to ask to use our phones, ask us to drive them to the cities where they say they want to go to 2 stores but end up wanting to go to several. They go to our yard sales, Walmarts and so on, to buy our kids toys, books and cribs. So, not all Amish are as self sufficient as you may think. Again, this is not just one family doing these things. It is all Amish families in this region.

Most of you rely on you tube videos, movies and other things to form your opinions of all Amish everywhere. That is naive. There are hundreds of Amish in the northeast who aren't the innocent, god fearing people that most English think they are.

And for those of you who think that beating a child to the point of skin welting, bruising and bleeding is right...you're sick and need to see a therapist.

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posted on Jul, 26 2009 @ 08:01 AM
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While I don't deny that beating a child excessively is child abuse - I think anyone would agree to that - one incident that you personally experienced hardly makes your case.

If you have proof and evidence that is a systemic problem, then you should report it to the authorities. Don't say that the authorities won't intervene - In cases of child abuse, the authorities will definitely intervene. In fact, there have been numerous national court cases where cults and sects that abuse children have been shut down by the authorities. Same goes for incest.

Can you point to any evidence of child abuse? Court documents? Pictures? Anything besides your subjective opinion or alleged "observations"? It's pretty easy to go on a public forum anonymously and level serious allegations against a group, but without evidence and proof of any kind whatsoever, your claims are just that - claims - with no proof.

Can you point to any Amish that would willingly corroborate your allegations? Any that have spoken publicly about the matter? I am sure you could find at least a newspaper article or two to substantiate your allegations.

As far as outhouses, who cares? So they prefer to use outhouses, and not conventional, modern toilets. Guess what? 100 years ago, I am sure my great-great grandparents that lived on a farm didn't have modern, conventional plumbing either. Big deal.

So the Amish approach the locals to go shopping, and end up going to more than a couple stores as originally planned? Okay. No one is forcing you or anyone to take these kids shopping for crying out loud. Have you ever heard the word, "No thank you!"?

As far as "riding public school buses" is concerned, if the Amish pay property taxes - which I imagine they would be required to do so unless you can show me otherwise - then the Amish have every right to use public school buses. I attended private school as a child, and was sent to school on a public bus - My parents paid property taxes that more than paid for my bus rides. These same property taxes my parents paid year after year also paid for the public schools that I never attended.

If your allegations regarding child abuse and incest are true, fine - Just show some shred of credible evidence. Facts are only facts if you provide evidence, not anecdotal stories. Otherwise, this thread is no more than spurious allegations against a group of people that you apparently dislike - No different than the discriminatory drivel we hear about the Jews, the Freemasons, or whatever the hate group of the day is on ATS.



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posted on Jul, 26 2009 @ 08:37 AM
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The only thing I would have to add to this thread is that if someone, anyone, kept coming to my house and wore out their welcome, I would just stop helping them.

Like asking to use my phone: How many times would the word, "No" have to be said before they left me alone for good? 2? 3? 4? 10? If you consistently say NO they will get the message.

A ride to town? Hell to the NO! No way. Not now, not ever. How many times would it take for them to never ask me for a frickin ride anywhere again?

About the horse poop - that is pretty gross! If I was trying to walk down across the street in my flip flops (or any shoes for that matter) and I got horse crap in them I would be PISSED!

The rest of the stuff you describe is pretty aweful : the incest, the child abuse, etc. That should not be tolerated in any society. This happens everywhere, and while terrible, is not privy to one group of Amish. You hear about this occasionally everywhere. To single these acts as the sole reason to "hate the Amish" is kinda crude.

I also agree with the poster that stated that you have an axe to grind and you're doing so here. You were traumatized as a child and now have an undying hate/bias against the Amish. I get it. You should seriously seek some help because they don't hate you. They don't give a crap about you and what you think about them. That's the truth.

They do not care about what you think about them. So do yourself a favor and get over it. You are only hurting yourself with this hate against them. Sure, steer clear of them. Don't look at them. Pretend they don't exist. But hate them? Naa. It's not worth what it does to YOU.



posted on Jul, 26 2009 @ 08:53 AM
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Some of you people here on ATS make me laugh. If someone posts a story about being abducted by little green men or seeing a UFO hovering above a Walmart...without showing evidence (you know, just sharing their experiences).....you people tend to believe and support what they say.

But when it comes to a group of people doing something wrong....you all unleash the hounds and argue with you tube videos and personal uneducated beliefs. WTF is wrong with this picture?!? Instead of bashing me because I shared some disturbing revelations about the Amish, go bash the hippy that got anal probed after smoking a joint. Yup, aliens and UFO's and Bigfoot are REAL, but bad Amish clans are all in my head. Some of you are the ones who make no sense.



posted on Jul, 26 2009 @ 08:57 AM
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Ahh, the switch. I remember the switch, and I also remember having the name of my dad's name imprinted backwards on my rear and legs(which reads correctly in the mirror).

My parents use to make me go pick out my own switch. Which after a few years experience I found out was not such a bad thing. One might at first glance think the smaller switch is the best(for least amount of pain). Not the case. The best way is to get as thick of switch as you can find. And also get as close as possible to the end that is being held. It bounces more and is less painful.

I was spanked until I moved out when I was 16. Atleast 3 or 4 times a week, 3 or 4 times a day when I was younger. Had switches break from use.

I am not "broken" from it, and I certainly didn't feel abused at all. It's not like my parents did it just because they were bored. I was a rowdy kid, had 2 younger brothers and it kept us in line for the most part.

People act like "oh that's so awful". But yet, when given the choice between that and being "grounded", I would choose that each and every time(and it sucked when you got both anyway lol). I would rather be whipped than be grounded from going outside to play any day of the week.

We use to get paddled in school, and I would always choose the paddling over writing sentences or being suspended. Yes, it hurts, but it's only temporary.

The OP says they had "whelps that lasted days". And guess what? It probably didn't hurt for more than an hour - if that long. Which is the entire reason I would choose that over being grounded. It didn't last as long.

I don't think I've ever even seen or meet someone who was amish, so I can't really comment on that. But the above claim of "child abuse" is not child abuse at all. If it was abuse, then kids wouldn't choose it over being grounded all the time. It's actually a lesser punishment.



posted on Jul, 26 2009 @ 08:59 AM
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Originally posted by MadDogtheHunter
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Some of you people here on ATS make me laugh. If someone posts a story about being abducted by little green men or seeing a UFO hovering above a Walmart...without showing evidence (you know, just sharing their experiences).....you people tend to believe and support what they say.

But when it comes to a group of people doing something wrong....you all unleash the hounds and argue with you tube videos and personal uneducated beliefs. WTF is wrong with this picture?!? Instead of bashing me because I shared some disturbing revelations about the Amish, go bash the hippy that got anal probed after smoking a joint. Yup, aliens and UFO's and Bigfoot are REAL, but bad Amish clans are all in my head. Some of you are the ones who make no sense.


You are just grouping the entire site into a single stereotype and picking out the examples you want to see when it fits your biases.

Seriously, some people do, some don't. It's called being individuals rather than groups.

You are using a popular method of manipulation in the media. Collectivism is bad umm kay.

There was nothing in your post that I found "disturbing". Not my cup of tea, but certainly not disturbing. I don't find it is any of my business in general, and only ask for being able to control 1 life.



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posted on Jul, 26 2009 @ 09:07 AM
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Some of you people here on ATS make me laugh. If someone posts a story about being abducted by little green men or seeing a UFO hovering above a Walmart...without showing evidence (you know, just sharing their experiences).....you people tend to believe and support what they say.

So....In other words, you don't have a shred of evidence or proof to document your false allegations. Well, it was an interesting read - I will give you that much.

Next time, before you start stereotyping whole groups of people and leveling bogus accusations, you might want to have some proof to back up your claims - a newspaper article, photos, testimonials from others, etc.

You also might want to change the name of the thread to, "The Amish: My Personal Observations and Experiences", instead of the ominous title that you have given this thread. And you should preface your first post with a statement to the effect that these are your own personal, subjective observations that cannot be substantiated with credible evidence.

At least the UFO folks attempt to show evidence by posting photos and videos of alleged flying saucers, lol.

[edit on 26-7-2009 by CookieMonster09]



posted on Jul, 26 2009 @ 09:15 AM
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"I can't recall what I did, but I do recall the mother grabbing me around the shoulders from behind, and hitting the backs of my bare legs atleast 8 times with that damn bat. I was welted for days."



Poor baby, I use to get wacked across the back of legs with the old cloth covered electric jug cord & a mate use to get smacked with a wooden spoon, we soon learnt to behave. I sometimes feel maybe I deseved more than I really got.

That's why so many little snotty nosed sh1tes are so disrespectful & behave so badly these day.

Bring back the cane in schools for a start.

The world is becoming so wussy, pussy & soft these days. To many soft c0cks.

Even bring back the stock for good old public humiliation.

[edit on 26-7-2009 by acrux]



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