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If USA falls, where would you move to?

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posted on Aug, 15 2009 @ 10:44 AM
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reply to post by Ferris.Bueller.II
 



Same here. Texas can break away from the US any time it wants (no, it was not left out of the new constitiution after the Civil War), and the people there are a lot more sane than most of the country. The only problem that I could see is that some of the fundamentalist Christians might not be too fair to people unlike them. I would hope that they would set up a Libertarian style government instead of a Christian Theocracy. I am Catholic, so of course, they would hate me. But hey, my wife is Baptist, so maybe they would let me slide? But what about the gays, the Jews, the Asians, the blacks? Remember, most people against the Civil Rights movement and in the KKK were/ are Protestant Democrats (almost everyone in the South was a Democrat until about 15 years ago).

Also, I've lived there before, and have family there (Houston), so I guess that helps.




posted on Aug, 16 2009 @ 11:01 AM
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How would you move if you have no money?
I've been all over this world and as much as people bash the USA it is by far the best place to be even if the SHTF. All your family and support from friends is here and all your supplies are too. Plus a lot of countries you cannot own weapons so you are no longer a free person to travel and come and go as you please. life abroad is differant than most realize and will be in for a rude awakening if they leave.



posted on Aug, 18 2009 @ 03:59 PM
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Sound advice. However I live in my sisters home, we have suggested all that and more and she says no. I can't leave as I have no car. and no money to get one. I would love to live somewhere near like minded people and my sisters rejection of any and all ideas my daughter and I have just frustrates me all the more.

I have little left in the way of actual possessions but am going through them to see what I can sell. We are working to raise enough for a truck and possible camper so we at least have toilet facilities, bed and kitchen. My daughter is nine and she needs these so the nazi police don't think I am a bad mom.

I have a camp stove and a few propane bottles a small tent and some tools. And I pray daily for insight and inspiration. My sister has five acres here yet wants no animals other then her dogs and one cat, no holes, no compost pile and in this terrain vegies is out of the question.

In fact I tried a tomato plant this year and it died two weeks in. To dry here and the wind is killer, not to mention the rabbits.

I don't want a gazillion dollars, just a truck with camper and the funds to make it legal and get us to a community with like minded folks so we are not alone.

Jesus says in Matthew 5:42 to help each other but we don't, I feel again that is why the "all those opposing freedom" get ahead is they actuall help each other get rich and powerful, we the people don't help each other, we help people on the other side of the globe who could careless about our freedom.

We have exhausted all resources, none actuallly helped. I can't work as I have no car. So if someone wants to hire me via online I am open, or pass a truck and camper on to us, open to that too.

Over the years of my life I have given in so many ways including as a Volunteer firefighter, my very life, yet at this low point when I am finally asking for help, all doors are slammed in our face.

If we survive it will be because of God, not the human race.



posted on Aug, 18 2009 @ 04:09 PM
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If the USA fell, what would be wrong with just staying there? I mean, it would be bound to regenerate. It's not like the USA would be thrown back to 3rd world status. This is a global society. you can run but you can't hide.



posted on Aug, 22 2009 @ 04:25 PM
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Before the SHTF (soon) I am going to move to Alaska. I live in Moldova now which is great. It is Communist controlled but more free than the U.S. I figure if the U.S. tanks it will take the rest of the world with it and Alaska is the best place I can think of. The other best choice would be Kamchatka which is Russian but I have been to Russia a lot, also more free that the U.S. in a lot of ways and certainly very capitalistic now.



posted on Aug, 23 2009 @ 10:02 AM
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That's really funny coz the industrial revolution, electricity, radio, the automobile and rockets were all invented/discovered in Europe.




posted on Aug, 23 2009 @ 10:23 AM
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You would fight back with your guns but they were stolen when some rednecks broke into your house and nearly beat you to death.


WRONG The "rednecks" would all be cooperating to preserve a rural enclave that provides a decent quality of life. Most of the "redneck" where I live are all related to each other, pretty much self sufficient and not unaware or idiots.

The gangs will pretty much stay in the cities at least in the beginning and that gives us rural types time to get organized. I have lived in the inner cities and out in the boonies. The hunters in the boonies in their own territory will wipe out a gang no problem.

Do not make the mistake of thinking they are LESS organized than the gangs....



posted on Aug, 23 2009 @ 10:33 AM
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Is Antarctica out? All the countries seem to have been corrupted by TPTB.

Seriously. I would buy a sailboat (just big enough to live 30 foot or so (in this recession they are being practically given away becausepeople can't spare the docking fees) and beat up enough that no one else would want it.

I would be an island unto myself.



posted on Aug, 23 2009 @ 10:44 AM
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I am perfectly free to go run a small bakery in Costa Rica, for example, and likely be far happier than I am in the selfish world of Unrestrained Capitalism.


PLEASE PLEASE do And it is not unrestrained Capitalism it is Corporatism. Capitalism died a long time ago.




corporatism

The central core of corporatism is the notion of a system of interest intermediation linking producer interests and the state, in which explicitly recognized interest organizations are incorporated into the policy-making process, both in terms of the negotiation of policy and of securing compliance from their members with the agreed policy.

However, one of the characteristics of the debate in the social sciences from the mid-1970s onwards about corporatism was the failure of the participants to agree about the meaning of the term.



posted on Aug, 23 2009 @ 04:12 PM
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Originally posted by octotom It would put their priorities straight and make them realize they have to work for stuff instead of the government just handing them stuff.


I think your idea of the average american is flawed to say the least. I've never gotten any handouts fromt the govt. If anything, they're the biggest crooks out there IMO.



posted on Aug, 23 2009 @ 10:18 PM
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I see a few people saying they will move to New Zealand, or already have. But I thought New Zealand was having an issue with rising water level. That can only get worse because the world is warming up.. I bet you anything, as soon as the water rises to a 'dangerous' level, the USA is going to get in as soon as it can to pretend it is helping, and end up running the whole thing..



posted on Aug, 31 2009 @ 03:59 PM
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Ok friends I need a vehicle in good repair, good transmission and good tires. I have a 1989 Ford Escort Pony in bad repair and refusing to move.
I can do computer work as I have no means into town and no one safe to leave my 9yo with.

I would prefer a truck and possible camper and a trailer. I am going to start looking for a safe place high in the hills.

So I am asking for help here. I live 11 miles away from town and am not comfortable to hitchhike as I would have to take my daughter with me.

So, we must start doing what we need to survive because this is coming to a war head. We can keep trying through the courts, but while we are doing that Pelosi, Reid and Obama are calling for a Constituional Convention.

34 states are already on board, and they include Texas, Oklahoma, and others that we thought were for the protection of the Original Constitution.

The Governeors of the several states on also not on our side.

"action speaks louder then words" and our words are not being heard.

Ask your Gov were he stands with tthe Con Con and Obama. Post any response you get. This might help us all know which state or states we would most likely find support.



posted on Aug, 31 2009 @ 04:11 PM
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If the US falls then Canada would most likely annex most of the US so you could just stay where you are and get used to Hockey and Tim Hortons coffee.



posted on Sep, 22 2009 @ 03:25 PM
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I like hockey and I am a French Canadian American. All coffee is good.

Go Red Wings!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



posted on Sep, 23 2009 @ 01:17 AM
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Well, if you wait until after the collapse, IMO that's too late to move . . .

Honestly I would probably just stay. We're self-sufficient enough we could manage for months at least on our own property, probably much longer once we got into "survival" mode.

America will rebuild. Look at the Civil War, Great Depression, Pearl Harbor, 9/11 -- strength during times of crisis is what we do. Yeah it'll suck for awhile but things will get rolling again.

If I had to choose, though, I'd probably move to Switzerland. Rock-solid economy for the last 100 years, never been in a military conflict, and more laxed in firearms laws than most other EU countries. Wherever I go I need to be able to stay armed.



posted on Sep, 23 2009 @ 01:31 AM
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I'm not quite sure how the US could fail. What you have failed to realize, is that we are still in better shape than any other large nation. Most of Europe would love to have sub 10% unemployment. Japan is in a depression, and China is still the 3rd world. What's left?



posted on Sep, 23 2009 @ 01:51 AM
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i have dual citizenship, u.s. / canadian, so my choice is obvious.

but larger picture, *so what* if the u.s. 'collapses' . . . whatever that means?

most here seem to think in terms of an economic collapse, so ok, that's the model. and there are plenty of recent (and classic) examples to look at that show us it won't be nearly as bad as some here make it out to be . . . just look at the ussr for example. it went through a complete financial collapse and makeover, a complete governmental collapse and makeover, a shift from a socialist system to a (mobbed-up) capitalist system . . . that's a LOT of change, a veritable social upheaval fer chrissakes. yet we didn't see steams of refugees on the roads out of moscow, let alone flooding across the border. there were no armed gangs raiding private citizens, no mass rapes, no canibalism.

people stayed, lived through a few rough years and hard winters, and that was that.

the average american, as of me hitting the 'reply' button on this post, is about a factor of ten better off than the average soviet was before the collapse of the old republic. we'll do just fine. sorry to keep the entertainment value low for our aussie friend a few pages back, but there won't be much to see i'm afraid. you'll have to go rent '28 Days Later' or something for your personal entertainment.

but it's not just the ussr. heck, brazil defaulted on its full debt LESS THAN A DECADE AGO, yet today is a model of fiscal restraint, with an exploding economy and a strong currency. in between there was no mass migration, no 'killing fields' . . . just people getting by during hard times. same was true in argentina, same was true in all the former soviet republics, post-war germany, japan, and italy, etc., etc. . . . mexico has it's share of problems, granted, but when the peso was massively devalued ain 1994 (50% iirc), life went on pretty much as before and the mexican economy was growing strongly two or three years later.

very few people 'bugged out'.

there is just no model, none, i can think of in modern times of any country even remotely similar to the u.s. going through the types of upheavals many people here worry about due to economic ruin. you have to find a country with a long history of clan violence or religious persecution (see africa) or a country with a dictator seizing power (see stalin, pol pot, hussein) before you get anything close to conditions some of you are envisioning for the u.s.a. . . . and those are really examples of underlying tensions taking advantage of a collapse rather than a collapse causing outrageous events.

while we have a spotty record with respect to race relations in the states, we have no history of clan violence or religious persecution, and i'm sorry, but i just don't see condtions sufficient to allow a dictator to take power. i just don't.

of course if you believe this is all being orchestrated but 'TPTB' or the 'bilderburgers' or the 'free masons' to wipe out a third of the population or something, i don't know what to say other than IF such a plan exists, a main component of it is to ratched up your fear level and foment mistrust among citizens . . . and by god if *some* of you are not facilitating that to a "T"

for the record, i don't believe any of the last paragraph to be true. i don't believe in the boogey man. i think true corporate and political greed combined with a very effective 15 years worth of 'politics of division' are coming to a head. we as a people have become divided over the minutia, but 90% of us agree about 90% of things.

but what's happening ain't a plan IMO. just the after-effects of an economic and political powergrab of historic proportion.

just like a trip to the dentist, worrying about something is almost always the worst part. at end of the day, we've got some hard times ahead, but i honestly still believe that my 13yo is going to harvard or yale when she graduates from high school.



[edit on 23-9-2009 by SecretGoldfish]



posted on Sep, 23 2009 @ 11:38 AM
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Originally posted by balon0
In the current economical situation America is in, and all those predictions out there in the new future about the dumping of the dollar and such, where would the best place you would move to? Would Canada be a good option? Or should we move overseas maybe to Australia or the UK? How would countries in South Africa be affected? Would China be a good place to move to?


As Rockefeller has stated China is his role model society.

Most of the free world will end up like that.

Any dissidents will be rounded up and sent to work camps.

Baby girls will be left to die in the street as one poster posted
on the recent depopulation thread.

They posted pictures of the event, pretty traumatic.

What is being planned will be global at some point, they just feel
right now is the time here in the US for various reasons.

The only places that might be left alone for a long while will
be the none populated islands like that one guy went to
and survived all on his own and alone for almost a year with
just one survival item, a knife.

Man survives on island with just a knife

Those will be the last places they go looking for ppl is my guess.

The extreme remote wilderness if you do not put off obvious signs
of habitation and stay under dense foliage will be the next best thing.

Underground will be best of all of course because it stays the same
temp year round so you won't freeze to death or be killed by
heat stroke in the hotter areas.

You can simulate underground above ground with straw bales,
bermed earth, cob, etc etc.

The Mike Oehler method has a lot of good information to offer
for a stealthy styled underground home.

Good Luck to you all !

[edit on 23-9-2009 by Ex_MislTech]



posted on Sep, 23 2009 @ 11:44 AM
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Originally posted by stevegmu
I'm not quite sure how the US could fail. What you have failed to realize, is that we are still in better shape than any other large nation. Most of Europe would love to have sub 10% unemployment. Japan is in a depression, and China is still the 3rd world. What's left?


The sub 10% unemployment thing is propaganda.

It is the U3 number they are quoting.

The real number of ppl that cannot find a full time job in any field
they have training in is now over 21%.

Several months ago I posted on here how it had broke the 20% barrier.

Here is the link.

U6 unemployment rate closer to 21%

He backs it up with the governments own figures and shows how
they fudge the numbers to make ti look better.



[edit on 23-9-2009 by Ex_MislTech]



posted on Sep, 23 2009 @ 12:05 PM
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Belize South America...its a democracy, there dollar is 2 to our 1...they are energy concious which means that they have homes built self-sustaining, like solar panels and geo-thermal heating and all kinds of stuff for collecting and cleaning water. It faces out towards the Bahamas and its still attached to America so I wouldn't have to worry about flying or boating. Not to mention its a rainforest enviorment and its close to the ocean for fishing and I could farm there easily because of all the rain.

[edit on 23-9-2009 by agentofchaos]



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