posted on Sep, 23 2009 @ 01:51 AM
i have dual citizenship, u.s. / canadian, so my choice is obvious.
but larger picture, *so what* if the u.s. 'collapses' . . . whatever that means?
most here seem to think in terms of an economic collapse, so ok, that's the model. and there are plenty of recent (and classic) examples to look at
that show us it won't be nearly as bad as some here make it out to be . . . just look at the ussr for example. it went through a complete financial
collapse and makeover, a complete governmental collapse and makeover, a shift from a socialist system to a (mobbed-up) capitalist system . . . that's
a LOT of change, a veritable social upheaval fer chrissakes. yet we didn't see steams of refugees on the roads out of moscow, let alone flooding
across the border. there were no armed gangs raiding private citizens, no mass rapes, no canibalism.
people stayed, lived through a few rough years and hard winters, and that was that.
the average american, as of me hitting the 'reply' button on this post, is about a factor of ten better off than the average soviet was before the
collapse of the old republic. we'll do just fine. sorry to keep the entertainment value low for our aussie friend a few pages back, but there
won't be much to see i'm afraid. you'll have to go rent '28 Days Later' or something for your personal entertainment.
but it's not just the ussr. heck, brazil defaulted on its full debt LESS THAN A DECADE AGO, yet today is a model of fiscal restraint, with an
exploding economy and a strong currency. in between there was no mass migration, no 'killing fields' . . . just people getting by during hard
times. same was true in argentina, same was true in all the former soviet republics, post-war germany, japan, and italy, etc., etc. . . . mexico has
it's share of problems, granted, but when the peso was massively devalued ain 1994 (50% iirc), life went on pretty much as before and the mexican
economy was growing strongly two or three years later.
very few people 'bugged out'.
there is just no model, none, i can think of in modern times of any country even remotely similar to the u.s. going through the types of upheavals
many people here worry about due to economic ruin. you have to find a country with a long history of clan violence or religious persecution (see
africa) or a country with a dictator seizing power (see stalin, pol pot, hussein) before you get anything close to conditions some of you are
envisioning for the u.s.a. . . . and those are really examples of underlying tensions taking advantage of a collapse rather than a collapse causing
while we have a spotty record with respect to race relations in the states, we have no history of clan violence or religious persecution, and i'm
sorry, but i just don't see condtions sufficient to allow a dictator to take power. i just don't.
of course if you believe this is all being orchestrated but 'TPTB' or the 'bilderburgers' or the 'free masons' to wipe out a third of the
population or something, i don't know what to say other than IF such a plan exists, a main component of it is to ratched up your fear level and
foment mistrust among citizens . . . and by god if *some* of you are not facilitating that to a "T"
for the record, i don't believe any of the last paragraph to be true. i don't believe in the boogey man. i think true corporate and political
greed combined with a very effective 15 years worth of 'politics of division' are coming to a head. we as a people have become divided over the
minutia, but 90% of us agree about 90% of things.
but what's happening ain't a plan IMO. just the after-effects of an economic and political powergrab of historic proportion.
just like a trip to the dentist, worrying about something is almost always the worst part. at end of the day, we've got some hard times ahead, but i
honestly still believe that my 13yo is going to harvard or yale when she graduates from high school.
[edit on 23-9-2009 by SecretGoldfish]