If USA falls, where would you move to?, page 1
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reply posted on 25-7-2009 @ 07:48 AM by warrenb
reply to post by balon0



If the US falls there will be utter chaos and travel will probably not be an option as airports and bus services may not be operational. So don't count on those services. Something realistic is to find a sparsely populated area in a large forest like a national park.

Make sure there is a water source of some kind, be it a rivers, stream, etc. You can filter the water quite easily using layers of sand and charcoal and then boiling. This removes most parasites, chemicals and heavy metals.

A forest provides countless sources of food, from wild edibles to small animals and insects.

For defense and security you will want to have a few people you can trust.

I've been thinking that with all the armed gangs in cities, the last place anyone will want to be is there. They will be taking what they want without much trouble. Best advice, get yourself armed somehow. Guns are only useful as long as you have ammo or can make ammo. Spears, bows and other primitive weapons will make a big comeback.




reply posted on 25-7-2009 @ 07:53 AM by Ahabstar
I am staying when it goes down and I will tell you why.

America's largest problem is the vast population that takes without giving. I am not restricting this to the common, yet rapidly increasing welfare population but the governmental and corporate welfare recipients.

Throwing money at a problem is like the old proverb of give a man a fish and he will eat for a day, teach him to fish and he can eat for a lifetime. A few like the idea of a currency that is tangible as a good or service in exchange for a note yet lack the foresight of what a dollar actually is.

A dollar already is a dollar's worth of labor that is exchanged. The problem come not from an oversupply inflation devaluing the dollar but that variable of the value between professions. For a person flipping burgers at minimum wage of $7.50/hr a dollar is 8 minutes of work. For the $300/hr lawyer it is 12 seconds. For both the individual welfare recipient and corporate bailout recipient it is zero effort. Just different amounts of time sitting on their butts doing nothing and being handed money.

That is the problem. When you can benefit without effort, why change the situation? Greatest results with the least effort is the very definition of efficiency, however results with zero effort causes laziness.

So when/if American takes the plunge and the deadwood moves or is removed (by natural selection) those that remain just might have a vested interest in making this country better than it ever was.


reply posted on 25-7-2009 @ 12:27 PM by infolurker
reply to post by balon0



Hopefully if that were to ever happen, everyone who wants a free ride will migrate somewhere else and leave it to the productive half of society to rebuild our nation.


Unless the land is blighted / poisoned and nothing can grow I see no need to leave.


reply posted on 25-7-2009 @ 12:55 PM by Ferris.Bueller.II
Originally posted by Kaytagg
Uh, the freest country in the world, duhhh

THE NETHERLANDS!!!


Hmmm.

Rankings: The 2006 State of World Liberty Index

RANK COUNTRY
1 Estonia
2 Ireland
3 Canada
4 Switzerland
5 Iceland
6 Bahamas
7 United Kingdom
8 United States
9 Cyprus
10 New Zealand
11 Luxembourg
12 Chile
13 Australia
14 Hong Kong
15 Finland
16 Lithuania
17 Austria
18 Uruguay
19 Netherlands
20 Latvia

EDIT: The countries that got an "Individual Freedom" rank of 1 through 10 are:

Rank of 1 (Best)
6 Bahamas
11 Luxembourg
30 Malta
42 Barbados

Rank of 2
2 Ireland
4 Switzerland
5 Iceland
15 Finland
19 Netherlands
22 Denmark
31 Norway

Rank of 3
27 Slovak Rep., The

Rank of 4
23 Czech Rep., The
44 Slovenia

Rank of 5
1 Estonia

Rank of 6
10 New Zealand
24 Hungary
33 Sweden

Rank of 7
17 Austria
20 Latvia

Rank of 8
21 Germany
29 Belgium

Rank of 9
3 Canada
16 Lithuania

Rank of 10
28 Portugal

[edit on 7/25/09 by Ferris.Bueller.II]
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