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CNN prez tells Dobbs Birther story "dead"

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posted on Jul, 24 2009 @ 09:10 PM
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The story:


Seems like CNN executives have finally spoken up on Lou Dobbs' embrace of Birtherism. TVNewser is reporting that CNN/U.S. President Jon Klein e-mailed some of the staffers from Dobbs' show before it aired Thursday night to say, "[I]t seems this story is dead -- because anyone who is not convinced doesn't really have a legitimate beef."

I've contacted a CNN spokeswoman for comment, and will update this post if and when I hear back, but in the meantime the report looks trustworthy, as TVNewser has what it says is the actual e-mail from Klein:

----- Original Message -----
From: Klein, Jon (CNN)
Sent: Thu Jul 23 19:00:44 2009
Subject: Important re birth certificate

I asked the political researchers to dig into the question "why couldn't Obama produce the ORIGINAL birth certificate?"

This is what they forwarded. It seems to definitively answer the question. Since the show's mission is for Lou to be the explainer and enlightener, he should be sure to cite this during your segment tonite. And then it seems this story is dead - because anyone who still is not convinced doesn't really have a legitimate beef.

Thx

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*In 2001 - the state of Hawaii Health Department went paperless.*Paper documents were discarded*The official record of Obama's birth is now an official ELECTRONIC record Janice Okubo, spokeswoman for the Health Department told the Honolulu Star Bulletin, "At that time, all information for births from 1908 (on) was put into electronic files for consistent reporting," she said.

Dobbs basically followed the letter of Klein's e-mail in his Thursday night broadcast, but he didn't really adhere to the spirit of it. His presentation of the facts at hand suggested he was skeptical, and he continued to make some obviously inaccurate claims.

"President Obama promised transparency and openness in his administration. Yet he's chosen not to release his original birth certificate or a copy of it," Dobbs said. "Meanwhile, the state of Hawaii says it can't release a paper copy of the president's original birth certificate because they say the state government discarded the original document when the health department records went electronic some eight years ago."



A little later in the segment he repeated one of his favorite falsehoods, saying the certification of live birth that President Obama released isn't really an official copy of his birth certificate but "a certificate that refers to the fact that another certificate exists ... a copy of his birth certificate would have the doctor, the hospital that he was born in, correct?"

And Dobbs' remarks left some room for interpretation by the Birthers, because he only referred to Obama's paper birth certificate being discarded, not all Hawaiian paper birth certificates, which is what happened. So the Birthers see this as yet another example of odd special treatment for Obama's records -- a cover-up!

In fact, the segment has actually fueled additional conspiracy theories -- unofficial Birther headquarters World Net Daily has posted it on its Web site, and bloggers are claiming a contradiction between what Dobbs reported and previous statements by Hawaiian officials.

For the record, there is no such contradiction.

A statement from October of last year from the Hawaii Director of Health Chiyome Fukino says, "I ... along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these types of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama's original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures." (Notice the lack of any wording to indicate that what they saw was a paper copy.)
salon

First of all let me say outright that I don't expect this bit of news to change anyone's mind who believes, or has convinced themselves that Prez. Obama is in office illegally.

I only bring this to your attention to note that CNN, as far as I am aware, is the first msm outlet to officially close the book on this issue.

Take it for what it is worth.




posted on Jul, 24 2009 @ 09:13 PM
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Update from same source as above:


Update: A CNN spokeswoman has confirmed to Salon that the e-mail printed by TVNewser is authentic. But, the spokeswoman said, Klein's e-mail was not intended to rule out coverage of the story altogether; "new developments ... new additions, new information, new events," can be covered.



posted on Jul, 25 2009 @ 07:07 AM
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Yet CNN and all the other MSM outlets had no problems perpetuating conspiracies surrounding Bush and Cheany for 8 years. In fact, they still do it today!


I only bring this to your attention to note that CNN, as far as I am aware, is the first msm outlet to officially close the book on this issue.


An MSM network deflecting negative coverage of a democrat/Obama? This is new to you?



[edit on 25-7-2009 by Wimbly]



posted on Jul, 25 2009 @ 08:04 AM
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Nice find there schrodinger´s dog, s&f for me.

Gonna look forward to all the opposing forces replies in here, since their threads all derive from the same place Lou Dobbs. So no more paper to fuel the bonfire for the "we want to see the long form birth certificate" people.

Best regards

Loke.:.



posted on Jul, 25 2009 @ 02:14 PM
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Originally posted by Wimbly
reply to post by schrodingers dog
 


Yet CNN and all the other MSM outlets had no problems perpetuating conspiracies surrounding Bush and Cheany for 8 years. In fact, they still do it today!


Nice little deflection there .... anything to say on topic?



An MSM network deflecting negative coverage of a democrat/Obama? This is new to you?


Interesting reaction, I guess news is only worthy when it furthers your cause.



posted on Jul, 25 2009 @ 02:17 PM
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I have become convinced that right wing republicans like wimby live in alternate universes...its the only thing that makes sense.



posted on Jul, 25 2009 @ 03:12 PM
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State of Hawaii official Statement October 2008

[link to www.kitv.com]


"Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures," Fukino said.



Yet 2009

from the stance Klein took in his e-mail Thursday, in which he wrote that CNN researchers had determined that Hawaiian officials discarded paper documents in 2001. Because of that, Obama's long-form birth certificate no longer exists and a shorter certificate of live birth that has been made public is the official record, they reported.

So show it!

I am not going to shut up until they show it.



[edit on 033131p://bSaturday2009 by Stormdancer777]



posted on Jul, 25 2009 @ 05:31 PM
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I believe they are referring to the COLB that Obama did show and Factcheck, Snopes, Hawaii, the Electoral College, Republicans, Democrats, NSA, FBI, CIA, Congress, etc. etc. ad nauseum have verified as legitimate and proof that he is a natural born citizen.

Like I've said in at least 4 of these threads, Hawaii doesn't have any one's long form certificate, so you couldn't see one if you wanted to. All information from the birth certificates is printed onto a COLB that the State Department has verified is adequate for identification purposes of a US citizen.

I would hope that this thread would end this issue, but alas, I'm sure WND will shortly come out with some kind of twist or propaganda to further the issue.



By the way, I'm assuming Hawaii isn't 100% full of Obama supporters. Why is it that we haven't seen a Hawaiin come forward with their long form showing that it can be done?



posted on Jul, 25 2009 @ 05:37 PM
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Actually, CNN is my preferred news station. But for Lou Dobbs.
I remember the days when I would so tire of hearing about the Mexican borders. I got so sick of it. Was hoping he would find another topic on which to obsess. But then, sigh. It had to be this.

Are Lou Dobbs and Glenn Beck the same person?

They are both so tiresome.



posted on Jul, 25 2009 @ 05:41 PM
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Originally posted by Avenginggecko

I would hope that this thread would end this issue, but alas, I'm sure WND will shortly come out with some kind of twist or propaganda to further the issue.


www.wnd.com...



posted on Jul, 25 2009 @ 05:52 PM
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heres a twist.. check this out..


open.salon.com...




posted on Jul, 25 2009 @ 06:42 PM
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Originally posted by schrodingers dog

Originally posted by Wimbly
reply to post by schrodingers dog
 


Yet CNN and all the other MSM outlets had no problems perpetuating conspiracies surrounding Bush and Cheany for 8 years. In fact, they still do it today!


Nice little deflection there .... anything to say on topic?



An MSM network deflecting negative coverage of a democrat/Obama? This is new to you?


Interesting reaction, I guess news is only worthy when it furthers your cause.



No deflection I see dog, the fact is your own liberal views are well known and your attempts to make this a NON issue are as common as the liberal socialist Southen Guardian, who still can't make up his mind whether the DOH was talking about the COLB or the Vaulted BC . I guess it all depends on which one you're questioning the validity of.

Call the COLB a fake, Oh the DOH has already proven that one. Call the Vaulted into question, Oh the DOH says they have seen it and he is a US citizen by the requirements thereof etc.,

Calling this news into question for the obvious double standard it has is not a deflection, it adds balance to the issue and gives us the reason to take what it is with a grain of salt or a heaping helping of protecting the grand obama at all costs type of media attention he has always enjoyed.

So what has the liberal protectors of this man sought to do?

Well seems it comes right out of one of Obama's favorite playbooks and authored by one of his favorite authors none other than communist Saul Alinsky. First Deny. Deny, Deny, then ridicule the accusers with extreme prejudice at every opportunity, calling them common names such as "birther" or "truther" or the "fringe" as if they are all some tinfoil hat wearing nutjobs, whackjobs any kind of job as long as Obama wants to create jobs, I may as well be in with the ones that can't stand this coward hiding behind the law, the law was supposed to protect us from.

Ive heard all the extreme cases we allegedly would go to if Obama did in fact disclose his BC, that we would be asking for more and more as if we have ever got anything, I mean any one thing ever disclosed to us about this man. They (the Obamabrainwashed) talk as if he has bent over backward supplying proof after proof of his citizenship the same way they we did when the same Obamanuts wanted John McCains vaulted BC.

The differnce is, John McCAIN didn't have a fake plastered on a John McCain website devoted to fact checks exclusively supporting John McCain. He didn't have snopes saying one thing about a hospital he was allegedly born in, only to have to change the story to the more updated version of it later like snopes did when they got caught not knowing what the facts are. McCain didn't offer a series of updated versions of COLB's each one getting more accurate as the discrepancies were discovered for each "new" "closer" examined version was explained by the John McCain Factchecking website. Even if there was such a website as a factchecking McCain site, I doubt John McCain would have been affiliated with one so easily dismissed by his own former fiduciary responsibilities to a foundation that supported such a site. The improprieties are so numerous to the reasons all this makes using the best evidence Obama has which is his vaulted BC, neccessary to even quailfy a COLB as accurate much less give creedence to the idea he is Natural Born.

But what does Obama and the Obamafringe against truth do?

They do everything BUT prove it.

They do everything a man who is NOT a natural born would do in Obama's position. They do what YOU say he the poster was doing

DEFLECTION!

Lets try the most factual the most easily reconciled the best logical and most accepted way to end this argument. Lets do what John McCain did so none of us had to call people like souther guardian a fringe when McCain gave them what they asked for.

Lets put it to bed once and for all so the suspicion is diminshed and give those who are asking, the benefit of the doubt that when it is shown, like it was when John McCain obliged them, that we too will say we are satisfied whether they believe we will or not. We deserve it no less than they did when they got to see McCains. None of us were calling them birthers or Fringers.


Lou Dobbs is doing what Lou Dobbs has always done, HE ASKS QUESTIONS that demand ANSWERS

Questions like these

kfyi.com...://a1135.g.akamai.net/f/1135/23392/1h/cchannel.download. akamai.com/23392/622/richmedia/Dr_Orly_Taitz_1.mp3?CCOMRRMID=31013891&CPROG=RICHMEDIA&MARKET=PHOENIX-AZ&NG_FORMAT=newstalk&NG_ID=kfyi550am&OR_NEWSFORM AT=&OWNER=622&SERVER_NAME=www.kfyi.com&SITE_ID=622&STATION_ID=KFYI-AM&TRACK=dr._orly_taitz_1

kfyi.com...://a1135.g.akamai.net/f/1135/23392/1h/cchannel.download.akamai.com /23392/622/richmedia/Taitz_2.mp3?CCOMRRMID=31013899&CPROG=RICHMEDIA&MARKET=PHOENIX-AZ&NG_FORMAT=newstalk&NG_ID=kfyi550am&OR_NEWSFORMAT=&OWNER=622&SERV ER_NAME=www.kfyi.com&SITE_ID=622&STATION_ID=KFYI-AM&TRACK=dr._orly_taitz



posted on Jul, 25 2009 @ 06:45 PM
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Originally posted by Avenginggecko
reply to post by Stormdancer777
 


I believe they are referring to the COLB that Obama did show and Factcheck, Snopes, Hawaii, the Electoral College, Republicans, Democrats, NSA, FBI, CIA, Congress, etc. etc. ad nauseum have verified as legitimate and proof that he is a natural born citizen.

Like I've said in at least 4 of these threads, Hawaii doesn't have any one's long form certificate, so you couldn't see one if you wanted to. All information from the birth certificates is printed onto a COLB that the State Department has verified is adequate for identification purposes of a US citizen.

I would hope that this thread would end this issue, but alas, I'm sure WND will shortly come out with some kind of twist or propaganda to further the issue.



By the way, I'm assuming Hawaii isn't 100% full of Obama supporters. Why is it that we haven't seen a Hawaiin come forward with their long form showing that it can be done?


The only way to possibly verify the COLB is by matching it up with the Vaulted BC. and ALL of those agencies including the FBI have admitted they have never seen it. The FBI admitted they have never done any backround check on Obama the CIA won't comment .



posted on Jul, 25 2009 @ 06:49 PM
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Nice rant you got going there ...

What's it got to do with CNN calling this a non story?

Soldier on I guess ...



posted on Jul, 25 2009 @ 06:53 PM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on Jul, 25 2009 @ 07:08 PM
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"Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record" ...

then....

*In 2001 - the state of Hawaii Health Department went paperless.*Paper documents were discarded*The official record of Obama's birth is now an official ELECTRONIC record Janice Okubo, spokeswoman for the Health Department told the Honolulu Star Bulletin, "At that time, all information for births from 1908 (on) was put into electronic files for consistent reporting," she said.

...Ok....

The director of health has personally seen his "Original Document".
In 2001 they all went "electronic".

So did he see this "Original Document" back in 2001(why would he remember that if he did)?
Cause if he didnt...then he had to of seen it recently...
which means that they say he DOES have his Original still...
So instead of using this "electronic" crap..why dont they just show the Original Form that they say they still have(and seen)?
Should we have to take someones word for it, or see it with our own eyes?



posted on Jul, 25 2009 @ 07:11 PM
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Originally posted by schrodingers dog
reply to post by Cypher-X
 


Nice rant you got going there ...

What's it got to do with CNN calling this a non story?

Soldier on I guess ...



Well just because YOU and CNN would like to think it's a non story doesn't mean it is. In Fact calling this a Non story is part of the strategy but some of us aren't buying it

You learn WHY credibility and likeability are important but more than that is, one has nothing to do with the other

true one-of-a-kind treasure trove of substantiated insight into what inspires people to trust you and vote for you.

According to published reports, Barack Obama's legal team has been paid over one million dollars, so far, to STOP anyone from seeing ANY of his actual identification documents, or many other documents:

Actual long-form birth certificate (NOT an easily-forged electronic copy of a short-form document that is not even officially accepted in Hawaii)
Passport files

University of Chicago Law School scholarly articles

Harvard Law Review articles

Harvard Law School records

Columbia University records

Columbia University senior thesis, "Soviet Nuclear Disarmament"

Occidental College records, including financial aid that he may have received
Punahou School records, where Mr. Obama attended from the fifth grade until he finished high school Noelani Elementary School records, where Barack Obama attended kindergarten (according to the Hawaii Department of Education, students must submit a birth certificate to register -- but parents may bring a passport or student visa if the child is from a foreign country) Complete files and schedules of his years as an Illinois state senator from 1997 to 2004 Obama's client list from during his time in private practice with the Chicago law firm of Davis, Miner, Barnhill and Gallard

Illinois State Bar Association records

Baptism records

Obama/Dunham marriage license

Obama/Dunham divorce documents

Soetoro/Dunham marriage license

Soetero/Dunham Adoption records

By the way, the issue of the Occidental College records is especially pertinent. The United States Justice Foundation (USJF) served officials at Occidental College with a subpoena to produce records concerning Barack Obama's attendance there during the 1980's, because those records could document whether he was attending as a foreign national. You see, Mr. Obama attended the school on a scholarship -- and there are questions as to whether the financial aid he received was reserved for foreign students. The Obama attorneys have bent over backward to block us. He doesn't want anyone to see those records. He's STILL trying to hide them; those financial records STILL have not been released.

WHAT is Barack Obama trying to hide? WHAT is he afraid of? WHY doesn't he just release these documents to prove that he is a natural-born citizen and, therefore, qualified to serve as President -- especially his actual birth certificate?

efforts to convince State Attorneys General, all across the country, to investigate whether Barack Obama has committed perjury by knowingly filing false nomination papers... claiming to be constitutionally eligible to run for, and serve as, President of the United States. As you know, the available evidence shows that he was born in Africa.


Frankly, the evidence that Barack Hussein Obama was born in Africa -- not Hawaii as he claims -- and, therefore, cannot serve as the President of the United States, is compelling.
First, Mr. Obama's refusal to release his birth certificate. If he has nothing to hide, what does he gain by refusing to allow the press to see the birth certificate?

Second, the contention by Barack Obama's half-sister, Maya Soetoro-Ng, that Mr. Obama was born in a particular Hawaiian hospital, only to claim that it was in a different hospital several years later. And, most recently, Barack Hussein Obama has contradicted himself, in writing, regarding the name of the hospital where he claims to have been born.

Third, the erecting of a wall around Barack Obama's grandmother, the late Madelyn Dunham, by Mr. Obama, thus cutting off access to the one person then alive who would have been present if he was actually born in Hawaii.

Fourth, the posting of law enforcement personnel at the two hospitals in Honolulu mentioned by Ms. Soetoro-Ng in an effort to block the press from discovering the truth about the birth certificate.

Fifth, a taped phone conversation with Mr. Obama's step-grandmother in Kenya, who claims that she was present at his birth... in what is now called Kenya!

Sixth, the "birth certificate" posted on the Obama campaign website and other liberal websites. Since Barack Obama was born in 1961, long before laser printers and office computers, his original birth certificate would be typewritten ... unlike the laser printed "copy" purported to be genuine.

The evidence demands that Barack Obama answer why he has been hiding the truth from the American people about his eligibility to run for, and serve as, President!

You see, when Barack Obama officially entered the office of President, he became, in essence, a "pretender to the throne." According to the Constitution, only a "natural born citizen" can occupy the presidency.

Even though he was sworn in on January 20, 2009, Barack Obama is NOT legally the President of the United States, unless he can prove that he is a "natural born citizen."

Sorry Southern, BUT it isn't US who has to prove a thing
It is OBAMA, and what he has given you so far
is excuses



posted on Jul, 25 2009 @ 07:15 PM
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posted on Jul, 25 2009 @ 07:16 PM
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Me and CNN?

Dear oh dear ... btw, here's a little prediction that was made about those of your ilk a few months ago :

Why the stories about Obama's birth certificate will never die


But that doesn't matter. The faux controversy isn't going to go away soon. Yes, Obama was born in Hawaii, and yes, he is eligible to be president. But according to several experts in conspiracy theories, and in the psychology of people who believe in conspiracy theories, there's little chance those people who think Obama is barred from the presidency will ever be convinced otherwise. "There's no amount of evidence or data that will change somebody's mind," says Michael Shermer, who is the publisher of Skeptic magazine and a columnist for Scientific American, and who holds an undergraduate and a master's degree in psychology. "The more data you present a person, the more they doubt it ... Once you're committed, especially behaviorally committed or financially committed, the more impossible it becomes to change your mind."

Any inconvenient facts are irrelevant. People who believe in a conspiracy theory "develop a selective perception, their mind refuses to accept contrary evidence," Chip Berlet, a senior analyst with Political Research Associates who studies such theories, says. "As soon as you criticize a conspiracy theory, you become part of the conspiracy."

Evan Harrington, a social psychologist who is an associate professor at the Chicago School of Professional Psychology, agrees. "One of the tendencies of the conspiracy notion, the whole appeal, is that a lot of the information the believer has is secret or special," Harrington says. "The real evidence is out there, [and] you can give them all this evidence, but they'll have convenient ways to discredit [it]."

Whatever can't be ignored can be twisted to fit into the narrative; every new disclosure of something that should, by rights, end the controversy only opens up new questions, identifies new plotters. Perhaps the most common argument of those questioning Obama's eligibility is that he should just release his full, original birth certificate, rather than the shorter certification, which is a copy. His failure to do so only proves there is reason to be suspicious, they say, and if the document was released, the issue would go away. But that's unlikely. It was, after all, the Obama campaign's release of the certification this summer that stoked the fever of conspiracy mongers.

For believers, it works like this: So what if Dr. Chiyome Fukino, the director of Hawaii's Department of Health, released a statement saying she has verified that the state has the original birth certificate on record? So what if she said separately that the certification looks identical to one she was issued for her own Hawaii birth certificate? Why didn't her statement specify Obama's birthplace? So what if a Hawaii Health Department spokeswoman later clarified that Fukino meant that Obama was born in Hawaii? So what if researchers for FactCheck.org actually saw the physical copy of the certification and debunked much of the key "evidence" supposedly proving that the image posted online is a forgery? They're not really independent. They're funded by the Annenberg Public Policy Center, and Obama once (with Bill Ayers, no less) ran an entirely unrelated program that happened to be paid for with money donated by Walter Annenberg. And on and on and on.


If the long-form birth certificate were released, with its unequivocal identification of Hawaii as Obama's place of birth, the cycle would almost certainly continue. Rush Limbaugh already suggested that Obama's trip to Hawaii to see his ailing grandmother, who died not long after, was somehow connected to the controversy. Others, like Michael Savage, followed Limbaugh's lead, saying Obama was going to Hawaii to alter the record.


Oh, the injustice ... must be hard to have the whole world against you.


But such is the life of the neoconpooperer ...


[edit on 25 Jul 2009 by schrodingers dog]



posted on Jul, 25 2009 @ 07:18 PM
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Don't candidates have to undergo rigorous requirements for qualifying for candidacy of the President of the United States? (I mean, I had to show my birth certificate to obtain a passport.)

You think this would have been done at the outset.

Also, isn't it true that anyone who is born to a citizen of the United States is automatically a citizen? People travel, and have babies when they are abroad. This provides citizenry for those children.

Who would have the b.......guts to run for President of this country without even being a American Citizen? Hate the President all you like, but he's a Harvard graduate, and hardly stupid. To attempt to pull off something like this would defy stupidity.

The argument is ludicrous. imho.



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