It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.
Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.
Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.
Originally posted by Tank2/8
reply to post by ATSWATCHER
I was hoping you would have done a lil better then wikipedia but as far as a brief discription of the armor, it did a decent job. The Abrams Chodham/DU armor is perfectly capable of standing up to anything the Challenger2 has to throw at it. Even though the Abrams packs more capable rounds then the C2, I am sure it would take a couple well placed to penetrate the Dorchester. The UK had to come up with a better MBT in the '90's because the Challenger1 was a flop. I am not saying that the Challenger2 is not an great tank, but you have to facture many more things in then just an upgrade of the armor. The Abrams has thus far proven its survivorbility in combat. The C2's that are still packing the rifled barrels have a little more range, but anything that was out of range of our smooth bore, you could still easily see with the latest FLIR and call for artillary. THe Abrams is better designed for fast mobility. It would deffinatly depend on the battlefield but between these two tanks I think it would boil down to the crew.
[edit on 16-8-2009 by Tank2/8]
Nearly all sources claim that no Abrams tank has ever been destroyed as a result of fire from an enemy tank, but some have certainly taken some damage which required extensive repair. There is at least one account, reported in the following Gulf War's US Official Assessment (scan), of an Abrams being damaged by three kinetic energy piercing rounds. The DoD report indicates that witnesses in the field claimed it was hit by a T-72 Asad Babil. The KE rounds were unable to fully penetrate and stuck in the armor, but because of the external damage it was sent to a maintenance depot. This is the only verified case of an M1A1 put out of action by an Iraqi MBT.
Also Challenger2 has never been destroyed or KO'd by enemy fire while Abrams gets KO'd by $5 RPG and even .50 Dushka HMG fire.
Yet when CR1 went to Iraq it broke the world record tank on tank kill @ 5.2km with APFSDS......And not one single CR1 was lost to enemy fire, while many Abrams were.
Cartridge Height . . . . . . . . . . . . . 982mm
Cartridge Weight . . . . . . . . . . . . .22.3 kg
Propellant Type . . . . . . . . . . . . . .RPD-380 Stick
Propellant Weight . . . . . . . . . . . . .8.1 kg
Projectile Type . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Armor Piercing
Projectile Weight . . . . . . . . . . . . .10.0 kg
Projectile Length . . . . . . . . . . . . .924mm
Material . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Depleted Uranium
Muzzle Velocity . . . . . . . . . . . . . .1555 m/s
Target Range . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3,000m
The M829A3 is the newest design of the U.S. Army's Kinetic Energy tank cartridge. With an extended range and improved accuracy, this is the most lethal tank round in the world. The M829A3 utilizes state-of-the-art composite sabot, propellant, and penetrator technologies to ensure that the U.S. armored forces will maintain battlefield supremacy well into the future.
U.S. Army Awards General Dynamics $81 Million for Abrams Tank Upgrades
STERLING HEIGHTS, Mich., Feb. 2, 2009 -- The U.S. Army TACOM Life Cycle Management Command has awarded General Dynamics Land Systems, a business unit of General Dynamics (NYSE: GD), a multi-year contract valued at $81 million to upgrade 30 M1 Abram tanks to the M1A2 Systems Enhancement Package Version 2 (SEPv2) configuration.
General Dynamics Awarded $34 Million for M1A1 Abrams Tank Upgrades
STERLING HEIGHTS, Mich., Sept 05, 2008 - The U.S. Army TACOM Lifecycle Management Command has awarded General Dynamics Land Systems, a business unit of General Dynamics (NYSE: GD), a $34 million delivery order for 30 M1A1 Abrams Integrated Management (AIM) main battle tanks. The contract includes an option for 30 additional AIM vehicles, bringing the total potential award value to $69.5 million.
General Dynamics Awarded $614 Million for Abrams Tank Upgrades
STERLING HEIGHTS, Mich., Aug 06, 2008 - The U.S. Army TACOM Lifecycle Management Command awarded General Dynamics Land Systems $614 million on August 1 to upgrade 235 M1A1 Abrams main battle tanks to the M1A2 Systems Enhancement Package (SEP) Version Two (V2) configuration. General Dynamics Land Systems is a business unit of General Dynamics (NYSE: GD).
U.S. Army Awards General Dynamics $39 Million for Abrams Upgrades
STERLING HEIGHTS, Mich., Feb. 8, 2008 - The U.S. Army TACOM Lifecycle Management Command has awarded General Dynamics Land Systems, a business unit of General Dynamics (NYSE: GD), a multi-year contract to upgrade 435 M1A1 Abrams main battle tanks. The vehicles will be converted to the M1A2 Systems Enhancement Package (SEP) Version Two (V2) configuration. The first increment of the multi-year contract is valued at $39 million and will fund the upgrade of 20 M1A1 Abrams tanks.
Originally posted by ATSWATCHER
reply to post by Tank2/8
I can assure you that the IDF is the one most respossible for alot of the IED attacks.
Originally posted by deltaboy
I suggest that a cupola or turret should be put on the new tank to protect the commander and loader. Perhaps a modular one that can allow the turret/turrets to be put on and taken off if the situation leads to that. Sure it makes the tank look ugly and higher profile but it sure protects the crew, and with the accuracy of the tank cannon by modern standards, being a little taller don't really matter.
[edit on 17-8-2009 by deltaboy]
[edit on 17-8-2009 by deltaboy]
General Dynamics Awarded $57 Million for Abrams Tank Survivability Kit Work
STERLING HEIGHTS, Mich., April 21, 2008 - General Dynamics Land Systems, a business unit of General Dynamics (NYSE: GD), has been awarded two contracts valued at $57 million for Abrams Tank Urban Survivability Kits (TUSK).
The first award, valued at $45 million, funds 2,832 Loader's Armor Gun Shields. The second award, valued at $12 million funds Loader's Thermal Weapon Sights and Counter-Sniper Anti-Materiel Mounts. Lessons learned during combat operations in Iraq led the Army's project manager for the Heavy Brigade Combat Team and General Dynamics to create TUSK. The add-on kit for M1A1 - and M1A2 - series tanks enhances crew survivability in urban environments and consists of added armor protection, a mine safety seat, Abrams reactive armor tiles and a tank infantry phone. The combination of an added gun shield and thermal weapon sight allows the tank's loader to engage targets from behind a transparent shield during limited visibility or at night. The counter-sniper anti-materiel mount enables the gunner to precisely engage with a .50 caliber machine gun while remaining under armor protection.