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Originally posted by huntergatherer
reply to post by dooper
In total agreement.
Without hands on training, with animals, the medic would be as helpless as the wounded
"Live tissue training saves lives of Marines and sailors on the battlefield," a spokesman said in a written statement, adding it has "proven to be the single most effective medical training method for teaching combat casualty care as well as combat trauma management and cannot be replaced or replicated by a simulator."
Originally posted by dooper
The US military has been using animals for decades to train medics. The civilian doctors train on cadavers, and by the way, do a hell of a lot of OJT.
In such a manner, one learns to stop arterial bleeding, use of emergency clamps and techniques, which saves soldiers lives.
Dogs are used and pigs are used, although pigs have more common and similar tissues than other animals.
It may be hard to believe, but most soldiers injuries are due to shredding gunshots and explosions. No real way to expose them to what they'll see on a battlefield without exposing them to what they'll see on the battlefield.
I talked to a surgeon who was in Viet Nam, and he said he gained more trauma experience in two tours in Viet Nam than he could have gotten in a decade here in the US.
Anyone who has a problem with this is one sick puppy.
The objective is to save lives, under awful conditions, as quickly as possible, as effectively as possible.
Our medics don't have X-rays, MRI's, CAT scans, and a team of ER personnel in the field. They have to treat and stabilize within moments.
Thanks to these animals, they can.
Originally posted by Ferris.Bueller.II
I think they ought to use violent criminals and death row inmates for this. This would provide them a means to contribute, rather than just sit in prison.
Originally posted by dooper
I always said if it were on me or one of my family, and emergency traumatic surgery were required, I'd rather a SF Medic do the heavy lifting and let the pretty boys with their medical diplomas close.
Yeah. They're THAT good.
EDITORIAL: Marines' training ugly, but worth it
Like it or not, war is an ugly business. And while the military has long held that combat experiences cannot be fully duplicated, spokesmen tell us these "live tissue training" sessions come closer than any other reasonable alternative.
(Even People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, which is battling the practice, is not attacking the Valley Center training itself on animal cruelty issues ---- its opening salvo to halt it was based on the training violating land-use regulations. It doesn't.)
Moreover, we doubt that any of the practice's critics would want their traumatic injuries being treated in a hospital emergency room by a medically unlicensed, uncertified Marine corporal as a training experience.