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I'm getting upset at this new atheist movement.

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posted on Jul, 27 2009 @ 05:55 PM
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Originally posted by Frankidealist35
I'm getting really mad at these people who I see trying to basically say your religion is totally wrong, or, religion is terrible altogether, or, that it's backwards to believe in a God...Agnostics, what do you say? I'm just a bit tired of this. Is anyone else?


I think most of the people posting here are missing your main points, so I thought I'd reiterate it. I'd also like to reinforce my statements, because I am very empathetic to your sentiments.

Unfortunately, these things always tend to degenerate into the extremists throwing existential turds at each other. Your plea for some sort of rational tolerance is probably going to fall on deaf ears for the most part.

Many seem to be misunderstanding your point that there seems to be a 'shift' in the attitude of Atheists: this is not that suprising. Where they used to be more tolerant and laid-back, now they are becoming haughty and insufferable. They are taking on the mantle of the self-righteousness of those they detest so much.




posted on Jul, 28 2009 @ 05:03 PM
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Um dude, who are these atheist who are, in a sense "yelling at the people at the bus stop" about there religion or lack there of.

I have something physical to punch or
at, but the closet thing I heard to what your, or what I think your complaining about is an Atheist billboard in FL. I would never equate that with what I have to deal with here in San Antonio.



posted on Jul, 28 2009 @ 06:47 PM
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We are no more rude than the born agains who want to convert/enslave everyone.
We see religion as the big problem in the world.
We are tired of living in a backwards world that kow-tows to religion.

Reply to JesusisTruth

1. They do it out of love, true christian wants you to convert out of love, and don't go around attacking people like they are idiots like many athiest.

****So do we. It is painful to see adults humans clinging to and fighting over fairy tales and a much edited book. We see you as victims of exploitation. We want to save you and show you the truth of the way things really are.
How do you rationalize away the fact that the Jesus story is almost an exact repeat of many such characters thru out prior history?

I do not see your God as any kind of loving. I see evidence of his very hateful nasty temper on almost every page of the bible.

Why does a porno book “Song of Soloman” have to be in a book folks are supposed use as a guide to good living?

Joshua is nothing but a book of genocide. How and why can you condone it?

2. We see communism as the big probl;em in the world. True religion is this, and thats to love your God and neighbor as yourself. Everything elese is false and not living how God taught

****Do not equate Atheism with communism. All Atheists are not communists.

“Like i said, true religion is the ONLY reason this world still exist today, if not communism and technology would have taken over ages ago and we would of had a nuclear war centuries ago because they have no moral code.”

Sorry about your Uncle.

****Why is it that religious cult communities look so much like communist enclaves?
Which moral code does your religion teach that wasn’t in place before religion ever came along? Moral codes were necessary for the survival of any tribe.

Kindred, It would not matter what people THINK, if only they would keep the result of their thoughts out of Government.
How much time do you spend wondering why we are here?
I don’t spend any time on it. I’m here and that is what is.
I don’t think anyone would wonder WHY we are here if someone in authority didn’t make an issue of it as though it were a meaningful endeavor.

Passsenger, religion is terrible. I has people convinced that they cannot be good people without it.
That is a gross lie. Good people are inherently good; they do not need religion and the fears it engenders to make them good.



posted on Jul, 28 2009 @ 11:11 PM
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Originally posted by KyoZero

I know for a fact these Christians are not real but I am just saying from my own personal experience that many of them I have met turn an eye away from me the second I am revealed to not be one of you. and I am actually ok with that.


I'm not that kind of Christian. But I could tell you, if a person gives you that kind of attitude when you're not one of them.

They're in a cult


This is a very good example of cult behaviours

www.cocs.com...



posted on Jul, 29 2009 @ 02:33 AM
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****So do we. It is painful to see adults humans clinging to and fighting over fairy tales and a much edited book. We see you as victims of exploitation. We want to save you and show you the truth of the way things really are.
How do you rationalize away the fact that the Jesus story is almost an exact repeat of many such characters thru out prior history?

I do not see your God as any kind of loving. I see evidence of his very hateful nasty temper on almost every page of the bible.

(Ohzone)



No no no, it's not a fairy tale to me. Get it through your thick skull that some people actually believe in christ and have seen miracles, and 1,000s of saints have and 12 apostles. WE BELIEVE IN GOD plain and simple, your can't disprove it so stop saying fairy tale routine.


that's your opinion not fact.

Now as for God being mean in the bible. God is love itself and hatred not in eveyr page, where did you get that? A copy and paste website? many events happened becausethe wickedness inside man back then and other tribes plotting against the isrealites.

The entire message in the bible is about love, you just have to read and put in context. The whole NT talks about loving not only our friends but our enemies.

so that's not even biblical, and before I knew about God I didn't love my enemies. If it wasn't for that mean God I would hate you right now but I don't

10 years ago before I knew God I would hate you, Now because of him I don.t


" songs of solomon "

Oh shut up! Man it's a love story he didn't condone sex out of marriage like pornos do, and since when did non believers become so chaste? usally they are always promoting sex outside of marriage.

sex outside of marriage is codemned throughout the bible as not being holy to God.



" sorry about your uncle "

thanks.

"
Why is it that religious cult communities look so much like communist enclaves?
Which moral code does your religion teach that wasn’t in place before religion ever came along? Moral codes were necessary for the survival of any tribe "


No. The moral code I am talking about is the respect for human life including abortion and creating weapons of mass destruction. According to God religion existed since he created adam and eve.

Communist don't have that moral code and would nuke the entire planet which will happen soon because God is removed from society. Granted false religion terrorist would use those nukes too but they are not real people of God.

If everybody lived like christ no nukes would have been created. you can deny this all you want but when you are in the midst of WW3 remember this.


and so I see your soul is young in understanding. you don't know what grace is and how it's infused into the soul.


"I has people convinced that they cannot be good people without it.
That is a gross lie. Good people are inherently good; they do not need religion and the fears it engenders to make them good. "



See this is not true. If people are inherently good then why all the evil and bad people? Why the gangster who will walk up to you and kill you for a dollar or some shoes? Why all the heartless ruthles non fealing sociopaths out there?


because love is a grace God infuses into the soul and you have it Ohzone, although I don't know if it's pride baised or not, but the fact is that evil should not exist if love is just common sense.

it's graces. it's all grace from God, like an infusion into the soul. Something hopefully you will learn the more you grow in understanding.


And God supllies air to the lungs, so not only can you not be good without god, if you are then it's pride baised, but anyways you can't breath without him.

and so the pride of men, satan blinds men and builds them up with pride almost intoxication, not saying the OP but he does this to many souls who rebel against God.


When you die God will show you what grace is and love and how it's infused into human souls.


Again evil should not exist if love is inherently in humans. Some people have no love, so you didn't just luck out, it's infused by grace by God.


Sometimes he does it throiugh humans diligence and by prayer and other factors, bt some earn grace and others run on pride.


and about God creating fear.


No. God's message is not fear, that's not even biblical. God said in the bible the NT, actaully Paul said.


" You NO LONGER have a spirit of fear but a spirit of faith "

and so many saints lived completely happy, infact one story of a saint was said that he was rarely ever seen sad.



Infact st Teresa of avila, a woman who seen God face to face in ecstacy after communion said.

" I will not preach about hell "

she never EVER wanted to talk about hell.


Saying the truth doesn't make fear.

Like I said.

If I say.

" If you rob someone you will go to jail "'

Is that to install fear or saying a truth?

Just like saying

" If you live a bad life you will go to hell "

It's a statement of truth, and it hasn't changed anybodies lifer because look at all the rebellion around us.


shoot, if someone told me that, how come I don't have a problme with that but others do? I mean I would rather someone tell me a true statement then like to me and say God is an uncle tom and allows anything.



anyways, alittle too long response, thanks for caring about my uncle


peace.

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posted on Jul, 29 2009 @ 03:02 AM
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Now as for examples. You see my brother thinks just like that which is why he doesn't go to communion. Satan blinds understanding and leads humans to believe they alone are good.

People can be good, but it's all learned from somewhere. Every good person learned it from somewhere like me, without which i wasn't good. Now say this/

I did this before.

1. A guy rides by a homeless guy and looks at him with compassion

2. A graceless guy rides by and looks at him meanwhile thinking to himself I don't care abot him



1. A guy walks around impregnating woman just to have sex without a condome.


2. The good guy respects the ladies and doesn't have sex without on.



who had the grace?


1. A guy beats and kills animals for fun to get a laugh


2. the good guy pets and has compassion on the innocent


who has thgrace?



1. A teenager rides in the back of the truck throwing rocks out at people heads (which I did when I was younder)


2. the good kid helps the old lady across the road



and so I could go on for another 50 pages.



Love is infused into the soul through grace. You are a child in understanding Ohzone, so I can't make you uderstand, but I beg the Lord that you will one day and believe in him.


Now as for my brother. He believe that he's good without anybodies help, sad thing is is that I seen the changes in him and he doesn't even realize it's God.


for instance. We watch TV together, and he used to ages ago, and he used to act totally remorseless when an event happened on tv like the earthquake killings

he would say to me

" Oh too bad, sucks for them. Now change the channel " In a cokcy way

seriosuly he's not bad but he lacked alot of love back then.


Now hes' opposite because of that grace God does in the soul and he knows that changes have happened in him he just attributes it to an unknown thing.


For instance, he used to smoke weed all day, and not want to work, but now he wants to work and stop smoking and he would even tell me, why did I used to be like that.


Well many people were praying for him, and he accepted the grace.


It's too deep to get into, as Iv'e been through alot and understand alot, because of God, but I'm trying to make you understand the best way I can.



graces change the soul. This is why God dies on the cross to put that love in souls. Not a love that is pride baised, but a real love that goes to perfection which put saints in ecstasies.

Which created eucharistic miracles like

www.therealpresence.org...


whgich scientists have tested and the blood is still intact and fresh.


But this is the whole point of the NT and the new sacrafice which daniel talked about and malachias.


which created 1,000 of saints like my signature.



I cannot wait for the day when God explains what grace is. You will see one day Ohzone, I truly want you to understand.


GN.



posted on Jul, 29 2009 @ 05:09 PM
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Someone obviously doesn't have people to talk to in real life do they JIT?

Your posts are the same across the board- epics of delusional proportions- you can't argue with dogma OhZone- JIT isn't responding to you, shes preaching to you.

and so I see your soul is young in understanding

LOL- you are hilarious Jesus! seriously what a crack up



And God supllies air to the lungs, so not only can you not be good without god, if you are then it's pride baised, but anyways you can't breath without him.

LOL I'm not breathing I'm actually dead


God's message is not fear, that's not even biblical

Yeah God wiping out everyone except Noah in the 'great flood' is not biblical and even if it were it has nothing to do with fear- all those innocent children deserved to drown, their little lungs filling with water as they gasped for breath- they deserved it! die little children die- maybe next time you will all listen to me! good god fearing folk will live!!



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 06:44 AM
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Originally posted by ahnggk

Originally posted by Frankidealist35

What I don't like is how they say to make you your own God, that, is, you are the creator of the Universe.


I don't like this concept too even if it's my own 'universe' even if I don't believe in a God(not that I really don't believe in God)

Quite simply because I am at Nature's mercy... Is there a God that dies at the hands of nature? No, God is in control of Nature and Universe, until you could do so, you can never be God. Even if I could, I still won't refer myself as such..


I couldn't possibly put it in better words myself. Unless one can alter the very foundation of the universe they live in, they have no right to call themselves a god. As to silent thunder's point, it isn't anyone's place to change anothers point of view for I believe if someone was meant to make choices for someone else, they would've been born that person. However, I see no harm is simply providing a path while leaving the choice to follow it completely up to the person they are revealing it to. It's not like there's conversion by sword going on.



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 10:30 AM
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What does "being your own God" have to do with Atheism?

You obviously don't understand the concept of Oneness.

There is no "go to guy" for forgiveness. You are 100% responsible for yourself. Every thought is to be considered an action.

Many who believe in Oneness - support a Creator.

I consider Religion man-made. The basis of Christianity is based on very flimsy rumored circumstance. (I was raised Christian - which I feel gives me the right to have an opinion). I can not specifically comment on other religions.



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 03:21 PM
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comeon Life citizen give me some more of those, that's all you got, because you are a classic christian hater, but anyways I still love you so, I aint playing into that.





Yeah God wiping out everyone except Noah in the 'great flood' is not biblical and even if it were it has nothing to do with fear- all those innocent children deserved to drown, their little lungs filling with water as they gasped for breath- they deserved it! die little children die- maybe next time you will all listen to me! good god fearing folk will live!! "


If children died either God knew they would grow up evil or he saved them from an evil age. And btw God said the world was exceedingly evil back then, and again this goes back to lack of grace, there was few graces back then, and so he had to wipe them out probably allowing the children to go to heaven and not suffer them to lose their innocence.

Death is not murder, eventually those kids would have grown up and died of old age, and whos to say alot of them wouldn't become cerial rapist? Point is that death comes to everybody and Gods ways are not ours and he still loves those souls but has to do what he knows is best, and there is suffering in all death. So an old guy dies of a heart attack, you could use that argument against God. see.


" Look what God did, he let the old guy feal immense paina nd choke on blood "

See how easy it is to play an advocate? But death comes to us all.


again a human response from an idiot ofcourse, who plays the advocate, not well at that, but yea what else do i expect from you LC..



Now many people die of drowning, doesn't mean God is a murderer, infact if they died of old age and had a heart attack which is imo worse then drowning.


does it make God worse?

No.

So you mock away, and the readers know your fruits by your unsincer attacks so keep it up


smiley face boy. Your comments amuse the hell out of me.


LOL I'm not breathing I'm actually dead "

Ofcourse! God allows your arrogant ass to stay alive, and I'm glad he does seriosuly, unless you continue to mock away as always, if not I truly hope one day you love jesus.


peace.















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posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 03:29 PM
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Someone obviously doesn't have people to talk to in real life do they JIT?

Your posts are the same across the board- epics of delusional proportions- you can't argue with dogma OhZone- JIT isn't responding to you, shes preaching to you.



1. I do have people to talk to, and if I didn't so? So what. I have been through alot and learned alot, and am just going over what the saints have said about grace and understanding.


2. your post are no different. same old advocate s***, always mocking with your little smiley faces, I see that all the time.

you aint worth the response.


I'm done in this thread, hey Ohzone, if you want to talk to me email me privately cause i truly want your soul to understand.

bye.



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 03:43 PM
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BTW LC, I am a he.



posted on Jul, 31 2009 @ 06:06 PM
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Death is not murder, eventually those kids would have grown up and died of old age, and whos to say alot of them wouldn't become cerial rapist?

That is seriously flawed thinking Jesus!

Who's to say they wouldnt?!

Now many people die of drowning, doesn't mean God is a murderer, infact if they died of old age and had a heart attack which is imo worse then drowning.

Yes they say drowning is the way to go- makes sense to me we come in surrounded by water..but that's not the point is it?

The point is- their lives were taken prematurely, dying of old age wasn't an option was it?

does it make God worse?

whichever way you look at it- God murdered all those people- very angry little god is bible God- and petty- and jealous....it's really quite easy to see where we get our bad traits from, if one is to believe we are made in Gods image

BTW LC, I am a he.

Geez in your pic you look just like a she
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edit to spell God right LOL



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posted on Aug, 1 2009 @ 01:08 AM
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Responding to the OP I do understand the conflict that the Atheist movement brings. Especially comin from a Christian view. The Atheist seam to hate anything to do with God Christianity or any religion. The Atheist seam to HATE Christians with a passion.


I thought what JesusisTruth is the best. God teaches us to Love all as we would love our selfs. Wishing for any bad towards the Atheist wont do anything. Let evil do evil and good do good.



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