Could the Beast be Europe and the False Prophet the United States?

I was just reading over Revelation and it occured to me that in the Bible, beast can mean a government and the Woman is the Church.

So if you look at it in this way. Satan would be the next Pope, Europe is the Beast and America is the False Prophet.

Europe is the Beast that recieved the deadly wound that was healed by America. Europe was broken up into Eastern and Western Europe and this was ended after the Cold War which we fought with Russia.

Now you have the European Union or the Revived Roman Empire.

America is now building an Image to the Beast (Europe) that had the deadly wound and was healed. This is why we are on a march to socialism.

This would mean that United States will bring about the Mark. The mark of the beast (europe) socialism. America will be a Government controlled society and we will eventually be chipped.

I'm just not sure if the chip will be world wide or just in America because America covers the rich, poor, free and bond.

When America is controlled than Europe will become very strong and the next Pope will be the one that was and then is not and now is again from the Abyss.

Its possible I guess, but I still prefer that the False Prophet and Antichrist [Beast] are actual humans, based on other descriptions given in other parts of the Bible. Such as "the lawless one" in 2 Thessalonians. I'll keep this in mind though the next time I read Revelation!

The woman though is definitely Israel. There are two reasons. It gives birth to a child who, according to Revelation 12.5, is going to rule the world. That is Christ. Then, the woman, in Revelation 12.6, flees to the wilderness. This is where Christ told the Jews to flee in Matthew 24-25 when the abomination of desolation is set up.

When you look at a map of Europe, it looks like a dragon coming out of the sea.



The seven heads would be:

Germany
Spain
UK
France
Russia
Greece
Italy

The 8th is Vatican City. It's small but it's more powerful than any of them.

I don't believe there is any "prophecy" in the bible. There is no truth in it either. Nor compassion, nor morality, nor peace.

It is a book written by superstitious goat herders 2000 years ago, who thought the sun revolved around the earth, the sky was a solid dome above our heads, stars at night were windows in this big dome, and when it rained, angels were pouring water down from heaven.

The only thing the bible has to teach us is intolerance and bigotry, peppered with common sense "teachings" by the fictional character "Jesus" about how to live in a big society (IE, treat others how you would want to be treated. Don't resort to violence because violence leads to more violence) etc. You know, teachings that all people would be wise to listen to, but most of us already know.

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It is a book written by superstitious goat herders 2000 years ago, who thought the sun revolved around the earth, the sky was a solid dome above our heads, stars at night were windows in this big dome, and when it rained, angels were pouring water down from heaven.

You know, none of this is taught in the Bible, right? It's fine that you don't believe the Bible like I and, I believe, Matrix Rising do--that's your decision. So, why do you come into a thread, that is obviously going to have religious tones, that you don't agree with, and just disrupt it?

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Interesting. Never thought of it that way before. What about the other two horns--remember there are ten! Would you believe that whomever it is that leads the EU would then fit in the Antichrist role?

I personally believe, maybe it'll change through further study, that when it says that the Beast rises out of the sea, it is a picture to show that the Antichrist comes out of the Gentile world, as the sea was a way to figuratively describe the Gentiles.

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Good questions.

I think 7 head and 10 horns all connect to Vatican City.

The 10 Horns are 10 kingdoms that came out of the Roman Empire. So Vatican City is the little horn and the eighth of the seven.

So you will have the next Pope aligned with the head of the Beast (Europe).

I think the President of the EU will be Tony Blair or Angela Merkel. I'm leaning towards Merkel. She was named the most powerful woman in the world and she hasn't signed onto supporting Blair. The new President could also be someone that comes out of nowhere like Obama did in the United States.

[edit on 24-7-2009 by Matrix Rising]

When you read between the lines the beast is obviously the nest of ants in my driveway. That's my interpretation anyway. Why can't we all agree that "The Beast" is a fairytale. But it is funny hearing how the beast is something or someone new every other week.

Just so you know. The beast is dead. I killed it with boiling water.

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Your post doesn't make much sense to me.

If you think the Beast is a fairytale, then of course your not going to agree. Nobody is trying to get you to agree.

It makes no sense to come on a message board with the folder titled, Predictions & Prophecies and then ask why are you talking about Predictions and Prophecies.

You said'

But it is funny hearing how the beast is something or someone new every other week.

NEWSFLASH

Your on a board titled Prediction and Prophecies.

If you go into the Alien & UFO folder, your not going to read threads about 19th Century poetry.

In a Prophecy and Pediction folder, guess what, your going to read threads about...Predictions and Prophecies.