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Originally posted by Ferris.Bueller.II
Originally posted by Sestias
Obama has acknowledged that he spoke in haste. IMO both sides acted stupidly.
It is inflammatory in this country to even suggest that we may have racial divisions.
Anything Obama said short of crawling on his knees and begging us white folks to forgive him for being mistaken in this instance would not be accepted by a lot of people here on ATS.
OK. Let's take a look at reality. Gates, who is black, is a tenured professor at one of the most revered universities in the world; his state Governor, Deval Patrick, is black; and the President of the United States is black.
Now, how long can someone play the race card that blacks are being kept down?
Originally posted by Office 4256
Exactly. Prof. Henry Louis Gates profession isn't historian; he is one of the pioneer "Professionally Black" people in the US, of which Rev. Dr. Jesse Jackson is the most famous. I fully understand that Gates is a tenured professor, but reviewing his scholarship, I wonder if he would be so exalted if he were white? I get the impression that this is too much of a live wire even for FTS...
Originally posted by Wildbob77
I think that it was a mistake for the POTUS to comment on a police arrest when he didn't have all the facts.
The courts are here to determine the right and wrong of a situation, not the President.
Originally posted by Office 4256
reply to post by John Matrix
So what I'm hearing from you is that it really doesn't matter what the actual facts are; a simple police presence means the police are at fault? God help us that we should live in your Utopia! In this case, I'm not sure we even need police testimony - that one photograph of Gates screaming like an unhinged maniac at the cops - black and white - gives me a window on his psyche. But of course we need the testimony of Gates, cops and neighbors (apparently plenty due to the screaming). If I had been the cop, I'd probably have backed off, even though I would have considered that somewhat of a dereliction. The only other alternative to "disorderly conduct" would have been referral to a state psychiatric hospital.
Originally posted by apacheman
reply to post by Oldnslo
If I treated cops with "the respect they deserve", I'd shoot them on sight. Most deserve a very long stretch in prison with mandatory mental treatment. I'll treat them with respect when they learn to treat citizens with respect. It goes both ways. I treat them with respect now, but it's the respect I give to wasps, black widows, and scorpions: that which you give unpredictably dangerous things that can kill you or radically change your life without warning. But I have zero respect for them as people because most don't deserve it.
This wasn't about racism, it was about an egotistical cop running into an egostitical professor. Cop has a gun, so cop wins the first round. Professor has a powerful friend, so he wins the second.
Obama was right the first time: the cops handled this stupidly, as they usually always do.
Originally posted by Oldnslo
reply to post by danj3ris
It's what we called in the old days, "RESPECT FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT".
Prof. Gates of Harvard forgot the basic rules in dealing with the police. Its show them your ID, answer questions honestly with a "Yes Sir/No Sir" and when driving, "where do I sign" and then keep your trap shut. Treat the officers with the respect they DESERVE!!!
You defend your rights in the court room, geez.... Bad mouth a police officer, stupid, stupid move.
The Cambridge PD were leaving Gate's home, when the Professor decided since he's BO's bud, he'd play the ole race card on the local PD. It did not work!! Greatly offended the local officers who handled the situation properly and law enforcement all across America, got a GOOD look at the real BO.
Prof. Gates got what he deserved, a trip to the station for having a fat mouth.
As far as BO's twin performances regarding Prof. Gates, I have come to the conclusion the he's not just TPTB's empty suit, he's nothing but a bully and a punk.
You'd think a Harvard educated President would have known better. But in his scheme of things, he'd rather play "Divide and Conquer" than be the President of all the American people.
Professor Gates has an excuse, he dropped out of Yale, where they teach real men how to play hardball. I've seen all I need to see. BO carries a bag of softballs.
As a final note, God bless Los Angeles' Ex-Chief of Police, Daryl Gates, the best Chief of Police this city has ever had.
Originally posted by John Matrix
A little 5'4" old man screaming at a cop after being confronted in his own home and provoked by a cop that had no ability to defuse the situation and obviously got offended and decided to provoke Gates further by asking him to step outside his own home. Nice touch...LOL. Step outside sir, so I can taser you, or so me and my 6' 1" buddies can lay a beating on your 5'4" scrawny old butt.....
This event tells me that the cops lack training in conflict avoidance and conflict resolution. This situation could easily have been defused if the cop had proper training. I use a technique that I call deflection. Deflection calms a person by getting them to change the direction of their thoughts away from what is bothering them. It works nearly every time, especially when you are not arrogant and you speak in a friendly, respectful, and civil manner.
I know a lot of cops, and with very few exceptions they develop an air of arrogance and wear it on their sleeves from early on in their careers. Many a friend has ostracized themselves from their childhood buddies because of their arrogance after becoming a cop. They are very good at provoking people with their arrogance, very good at bullying people by using threats and ultimatums when there is no need to.
Originally posted by northexpedition
reply to post by John Matrix
The police report states he had to step off the porch to better hear his radio. You're saying he was creating some kind of trap or something? Don't you realize most situations like this are so tense it doesn't give you time to think about that kind of stuff and only to react?
Listen, I'm a security guard, and I can tell you first hand that when you're dealing with either a loud, upset resident at an apartment complex or a loud TV, the acoustics can make it very difficult to hear a radio. Stepping off the porch was required of him to make a radio transmission that wasn't muddled with background yelling. He couldn't have heard dispatch without stepping away from the loudmouth.
It is NEVER acceptable to yell at a cop, under any circumstances, because cops are TRAINED to expect the worst right after emotional escalation. They are trained to expect violent retaliation, possibly a gun. Also, what if Gates had a baseball bat or a long rifle next to his door? The cop doesn't know what he's got in there or who may be waiting. Stepping off the porch is a safety precaution creating a buffer zone as well as a necessary step to make a radio transmission.
False charge or not, he has no right to think he's above the law, just as much as a cop doesn't have the right to taser somebody for no reason. But arresting a man for disorderly conduct in public and making a scene? Good call, Crowley.
Seems to me like you're playing devil's advocate more than anything.
This is all a distraction of course. We should be focusing on the real robbers, not the falsely accused robber. Making everything into a big town hall discussion about racism while behind our backs we're getting robbed by the big central banks.
Originally posted by richierich
Gates was NOT guilty of anything. Here is a refresher course in how the LAW operates. disorderly conduct is a ' breach of the peace'. An ESSENTIAL ELEMENT of a breach of the peace is VIOLENCE, either actual or IMMANENT. It is supposed to be used to stop words from becoming violence. If a redneck is shouting racist words at a car load of LA gangbangers, the cops could charge the redneck with DC because if they did not remove him there would no doubt be a violent confrontation.
The INTENT to provoke a violent retaliation is an essential part of DC. since no one in their right mind would TRY to get a cop to beat him senseless, there can be NO intent on Gates part to provoker any violence. he was just expressing his OPINION ...and the cop didn't LIKE Gates opinion, so he used a false charge to show him who is ' boss'.
On Thursday July 16, 2009, Henry Gates, Jr. was placed under arrest after being observed exhibiting loud and tumultous behavior, in a public place, directed at a uniformed police officer who was present investigation a report of a crime in progress. These actions on behalf of Gates served no legitimate purpose and caused citizens passing by this location to stop and take notice while appearing surprised and alarmed.
-Officer James Crowley