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The Rise of the Birther Movement and It's Aims.

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posted on Jul, 24 2009 @ 09:59 PM
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Originally posted by redhatty
Obama has openly admitted multiple times that his father was a citizen of Kenya, not a US citizen.

This fact ALONE makes Barack Obama NOT a "Natural-Born Citizen" which is the main constitutional requirement for Presidential eligibility.


You just proved you have no idea what you are talking about...

whether his father was Kenyan is moot...

his mother is a native born American hence he is...

regardless of that both of his parents could be foreigners and if he was born here he is still regarded as a natural born citizen.




posted on Jul, 24 2009 @ 10:02 PM
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...As to whether or not Obama has provided sufficient proof, that is nothing more than your opinion and I do not share it.


No it is NOT opinion. He has provided exactly the same proof as every other Presidential candidate has been required to provide, to every statutory body, State and Federal, that is required to verify it, and that proof has been accepted by every statutory body, State and Federal, required to confirm his eligibility.

There is no opinion to share or dispute. It is fact.



posted on Jul, 24 2009 @ 10:03 PM
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Birther rymes with flatearther. Just sayin...



posted on Jul, 24 2009 @ 10:20 PM
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Originally posted by rnaa
No it is NOT opinion. He has provided exactly the same proof as every other Presidential candidate has been required to provide, to every statutory body, State and Federal, that is required to verify it, and that proof has been accepted by every statutory body, State and Federal, required to confirm his eligibility.

There is no opinion to share or dispute. It is fact.


The same authorities that allowed Nicaraguan Born Roger Calero on the ballot?

If a Nicaraguan who later became a Naturalized Citizen can be allowed to run, why should my faith and trust be placed into those statutory bodies that were supposed to confirm eligibility?

Also, since you are absolutely positive that Obama was actually vetted and found eligible, please list all the statutory bodies, both state & federal that are required to verify him.

A blogger, Justin W. Riggs, has been trying to ascertain this information since November of 2008, mostly to no avail.



posted on Jul, 24 2009 @ 10:59 PM
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Oh man...you gotta be kidding. I don't suppose you reflected on your reply to me before you hit that reply button... now did you professor?



posted on Jul, 24 2009 @ 11:04 PM
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Hi Redhatty,

Originally posted by redhatty
So call us "Birthers" and we'll call you "Illegitimizers"


Ahem. Redhatty, call 'em what they are - Acorn employees.

Remember, Redhatty, in the first "stimulus" payout, Acorn was funded something like $5 Billion, in order to support their mission - to guarantee ROPE (Reid, Obama, Pelosi, Emmanuel) stay in power.

It's no surprise that they have added "website interdiction" to their list of missions.

With their budget they could shut this website down tomorrow, but it appears they will troll it out (saturate it with propaganda) via application of Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals!



posted on Jul, 24 2009 @ 11:15 PM
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Originally posted by grover

Originally posted by redhatty
Obama has openly admitted multiple times that his father was a citizen of Kenya, not a US citizen.

This fact ALONE makes Barack Obama NOT a "Natural-Born Citizen" which is the main constitutional requirement for Presidential eligibility.


You just proved you have no idea what you are talking about...

whether his father was Kenyan is moot...

his mother is a native born American hence he is...

regardless of that both of his parents could be foreigners and if he was born here he is still regarded as a natural born citizen.


Not according to SCOTUS. As cited in this post

In Minor v. Happersett (1874), the Supreme Court said that, if you were born in the United States and both of your parents were U.S. citizens at the time of your birth, you are, without doubt, a natural born citizen. In the same case, the Supreme Court also said that, if you were born in the United States and one of your parents was not a U.S. citizen when you were born, your natural born citizenship is in doubt. So far, the Supreme Court has not resolved this doubt because, until now, there has never been any need to do so.

We are not talking about standard citizenship, we are specifically talking about "Natural Born Citizenship"

If SCOTUS hasn't managed to resolve the doubt, why should I - or anyone else - think that you - or anyone else without the authority - have?



posted on Jul, 24 2009 @ 11:20 PM
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Star and flag for you.

The republicans and conservatives are desperate. Being obstructionists is the only power this dying party has left.

Originally posted by Adonsa
Hi Redhatty,

Originally posted by redhatty
So call us "Birthers" and we'll call you "Illegitimizers"


Ahem. Redhatty, call 'em what they are - Acorn employees.

With their budget they could shut this website down tomorrow, but it appears they will troll it out (saturate it with propaganda) via application of Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals!


You definately belong on this website, I can see you have your own tinfoil hat as well.

[edit on 24-7-2009 by BaronVonGodzilla]



posted on Jul, 24 2009 @ 11:20 PM
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Originally posted by grover
regardless of that both of his parents could be foreigners and if he was born here he is still regarded as a natural born citizen.

This is totally wrong.

Initially, the founding fathers declared that only the father must be a U.S. citizen.

Currently, the courts and congress has ruled that both parents must be a U.S. citizen.

Defining natural born

Relevant Court Cases: U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark & Perkins v. Elg
www.richw.org...

Look here for further education:
www.theobamafile.com...

Current terms are as follows:

A) Natural Born = Both parents are U.S. citizens AND born in U.S. mainland.

B) Citizen = One parent is a U.S. citizen OR born in the U.S. mainland OR naturalized.

C) Native Born = Born in the U.S. mainland

Because of this Obama is not eligible for President since both his parents were not U.S. citizens.

This is fact and the law.
You might not want to believe it or choose to ignore it but the proof is there that Obama is NOT eligible for President.

[edit on 7/24/2009 by WhatTheory]



posted on Jul, 25 2009 @ 12:19 AM
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Originally posted by WhatTheory
This is totally wrong.


And yet you reference the laws incorrectly and fail to prove otherwise.


Initially, the founding fathers declared that only the father must be a U.S. citizen.


And yet that law has not changed. Nowhere in the constitution does it say both parents must be US citizens in order for a child to be a natural born citizen. That necessity only applied when the child is born off US soil that birthers tend to mix up, whether intentially or under the assumption they had some how proven he was born off soil.


Relevant Court Cases: U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark


If you actaully read the case you would see it is different to that of the presidents circumstances. Both of Wongs parents were not US citizens and not legally residents at the time. Obama had one natural born americian citizen as a parent.


Perkins v. Elg


In this case Marie Elizabeth Elg was born on US soil however her parents who were swedish moved back to their home country and gave up their US citizenships. The argument was whether Marie, having being born on US soil, would loose her citizenship let alone her natural born citizenship at all. This case is different to Obamas as he was born on US soil to one natural born american citizen for a parent. His mother did not give up her natural born citizenship and could not under US law give up Obamas natural born citizenship as the laws disregarded any loss of citizenship to those under the age of 18.

Your again assuming these laws apply without reading them and citing them correctly. The cases do not relate to Obama's case.


Natural Born = Both parents are U.S. citizens AND born in U.S. mainland.


Incorrect.

Only one parent has to be a natural born citizen. The constitution makes it clear, that eligibility for the presidency is a birthright. Iv seen afew members her reference me to tables that claim "both parents must be US citizens to be natural born" however they still fail to reference this rule from the actual constitution or its ammendments.

The argument that both parents must be citizens to attain natural born status and birth rights is based over assumptions made by representitives and congressmen over time and their own definitions of natural born citizenship, this doesnt make it law under any circumstances.


Because of this Obama is not eligible for President since both his parents were not U.S. citizens.


Obama is eligible merely having been born on US soil in addition to one natural born citizen as a parent. This law is yet again mixed up to refer to those children born off US soil which you are yet to prove in Obamas case.


This is fact and the law.


Im glad you acknowledge the "law". If only you would do so in cases when your are wrong.

This website counters the incorrections made on "obama files" among other misleading claims. It only addresses to the laws and the cases referenced and why the lawsuits were incorrect in their constitutional references.

tesibria.typepad.com...

SG


[edit on 25-7-2009 by Southern Guardian]



posted on Jul, 25 2009 @ 03:12 AM
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Originally posted by redhatty

Originally posted by rnaa
No it is NOT opinion. He has provided exactly the same proof as every other Presidential candidate has been required to provide, to every statutory body, State and Federal, that is required to verify it, and that proof has been accepted by every statutory body, State and Federal, required to confirm his eligibility.

There is no opinion to share or dispute. It is fact.


The same authorities that allowed Nicaraguan Born Roger Calero on the ballot?


Being allowed on the ballot is not the same thing as being eligible to serve in office. The law about who can be on the ballot is different in each of the 50 states and several territories.

Calero was not allowed on the ballot in at least 9 states, and an alternate candidate was put forward in those states. Each state will have procedures for invalidating ballots for candidates that are ineligible to hold office. I expect he would have been disqualified and his votes not reported in the same way a 'hoax' write in candidate would be. I don't know of any states that report votes for 'Mickey Mouse' do you?



If a Nicaraguan who later became a Naturalized Citizen can be allowed to run, why should my faith and trust be placed into those statutory bodies that were supposed to confirm eligibility?


If you have an issue with a state's procedures, take it up with their state legislature. At least 9 states refused to allow him on the ballot, so it can be done.



Also, since you are absolutely positive that Obama was actually vetted and found eligible, please list all the statutory bodies, both state & federal that are required to verify him.


Speak to the Attorney General, or State Electoral Commission or whatever statutory officer is responsible in your favorite state for more information.



A blogger, Justin W. Riggs, has been trying to ascertain this information since November of 2008, mostly to no avail.


The disputed election of 1876 led to Congress passing the Electoral Count Act in 1887. Under this law, a state's determination of electoral disputes is conclusive in most circumstances. It places the onus on the States to ensure that the candidates are eligible and the results are valid. It is this law that was in dispute during the Bush-Gore controversy in 2000, by the way.

Mr. Riggs should speak to the State Electoral Commission in his favorite state for more information. You might like to forward a lesson in how to use Google to Mr. Riggs. It didn't take me 8 minutes to find this out, let alone 8 months.

[edit on 25/7/2009 by rnaa]

[edit on 25/7/2009 by rnaa]



posted on Jul, 25 2009 @ 06:59 AM
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Not to mention that your founding fathers had quite a few rather funny ideas. Like you should not be allowed to vote if you don't own a farm, and while we are at it that every good american should cultivate hemp.



posted on Jul, 25 2009 @ 07:51 AM
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Originally posted by Southern Guardian
This law is yet again mixed up to refer to those children born off US soil which you are yet to prove in Obamas case.

This proves you have no idea what you are talking about and that you lack the skills to grasp the concept of what is being discussed.


What on Earth are you talking about regarding your highlighted text above?
I am not questioning that Obama was not born off soil. I am assuming he was so your argument makes no sense.

Clearly by your responses you lack the facilities to comprehend the court cases proving my point.
Your flawed interpretation is obvious and it really appears that you are NOT reading the links some of us are providing which counter your argument. I can only imagine you choose to ignore certain links, court ruling and Congressional declarations and the words of our founding fathers in a lame attempt to further your seriously flawed opinion.



posted on Jul, 25 2009 @ 08:10 AM
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Schrodingers dog made a thread about MSM and especially Cnn closing the deal on this birth issue, www.abovetopsecret.com... really some nice quotes in that thread, that properly would stop all this nonsense of where Mr.Obama was born.

Best regards

Loke.:.



posted on Jul, 25 2009 @ 08:11 AM
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Given what the right considers reliable news sources like mush loosebowels, sean hannity, glenn beck, bill o'really etc. one can only assume that the blithers would believe anything if it smeared Obama regardless of the truth.

And since they have so little regard or respect for the truth and are apparently deaf to it anyway there is nothing further worth saying to these idiots because they will not hear it.



posted on Jul, 25 2009 @ 08:26 AM
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Originally posted by WhatTheory
... I am not questioning that Obama was not born off soil. I am assuming he was so your argument makes no sense.


OK, why all the drama then? He was born on US Soil. His Mother was an American citizen. He is a natural born citizen. End of story.

Please explain this to your compatriots who continue this farce out of ignorance, so we can all understand that you are continuing it out of malevolence.



posted on Jul, 25 2009 @ 08:31 AM
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Your goverment is so infiltated by Israel and the banking eilite that it makes no difference what puppet they have tellaprompting lines anyway.
If you think they are going to impeach him over this you are sadly mistaken. Just like the rigging the elections , they can make a BC easy enough. Produce fake doctors or what have you.

Bottom line is , they put who ever they want in there and you the public have no choice , you only think you do...

If voting made a difference it would be illegal.

[edit on 25-7-2009 by Reevster]



posted on Jul, 25 2009 @ 08:40 AM
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Originally posted by Loke.
Schrodingers dog made a thread about MSM and especially Cnn closing the deal on this birth issue, www.abovetopsecret.com... really some nice quotes in that thread, that properly would stop all this nonsense of where Mr.Obama was born. Best regards Loke.:.


Thanks for pointing that out. It'll likely be ignored. The 'birther's' ignorance is on cruise control and their denial on auto-pilot. They suffer from cognitive avoidance and attentional bias.

I'll make it easier for them:

Quote here:

The article quotes Hawaii Health Department spokeswoman Janice Okubo as saying the department "does not have a short-form or long-form certificate .... [What Obama released] is the same certified copy everyone receives when they request a birth certificate."

Meanwhile, the state of Hawaii says it can't release a paper copy of the president's original birth certificate because they say the state government discarded the original document when the health department records went electronic some eight years ago."


Source



END OF STORY. And with it goes the case for those in the military questioning his rightful authority.


[edit on 25-7-2009 by kinda kurious]



posted on Jul, 25 2009 @ 08:44 AM
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Google, Yahoo & Bing Censoring Obama Citizenship Searches





Why go to such lengths to silence them?



posted on Jul, 25 2009 @ 09:02 AM
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Gosh lady, are you serious?

Here is a little background on your racist, bigoted hero:


LONDON — Britain on Tuesday published its first list of people barred from entering the country for allegedly fostering extremism or hatred, including Muslim extremists, a right-wing American radio host, an Israeli settler and jailed Russian gang members.

Popular American talk-radio host, Michael Savage, who broadcasts from San Francisco and has called the Muslim holy book, the Quran, a "book of hate," is on the list. Savage also has enraged parents of children with autism by saying in most cases it's "a brat who hasn't been told to cut the act out."


(Bolded by me.)

Source

Edit to add:


Michael Alan Weiner (born March 31, 1942 in New York City), better known by his pseudonym Michael Savage, is an American conservative political satirist, radio host, author, and political commentator.


Source

Apparently, the English calls 'em as they sees 'em. Kudos to them.

Know any autistic children? Compassionate much?

Wonder why he changed his name?


[edit on 25-7-2009 by kinda kurious]



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