Originally posted by FlyersFan

They said that they have his birth certificate in the vault.
They have not verified that he's an American born citizen.
I happen to think he was born in Hawaii, but they have not said that.

Read the first line of the story mate. The one I put in bold and italics for you.

Originally posted by Witness2008
this utterly ridiculous notion that he was not born where he was.

that statement is kinda off ....

Originally posted by Witness2008
I did not play the race card.

You most certainly did.

birthers are racist.

thar she blows! RACE CARD.

Would you care to show me the evidence that the birth certificate I linked was proven a forgery?

Buddy .. the proof is all over this freak'n site.
And Jay McKinnon ADMITTED IT.
It's the same fake COB that Daily Kos put up ..
... and then took down as soon as their forger came out of the shadows.

it is sad that on a conspiracy site such as ats we can not move beyond simple bickering over a topic and discuss it from a different perspective.

a big fat sarcastic thanks to those who chose to derail this thread with the typical bickering over obama's legitimacy rather than having a conversation of a different type.

there are plenty of threads available to argue if obama is in fact legitimate and sadly you had to flock to this thread to do it....AGAIN.

Originally posted by Witness2008
Just exactly what is a "race card"?

Don't play stupid.

I suspect it is this wonderful little politically correct term that racist hide behind when anyone is being honest about what they see and feel.

And he plays the race card again.
Youi've done that alot on these boards.
People call you out on it all the time.
And yet you continue ...

Originally posted by Animal
a big fat sarcastic thanks to those who chose to derail this thread

A big fat sarcastic thanks to you, the OP, who decided to start a thread under the FALSE premise of discussing the 'birther movenment and it's aims' but then proceeded to discount the very reason .. the very aim ... of those who call into question Obama's birth.

Obviously you really don't want to know why those who question his birth do so. You don't want to hear the answer. If you really did want an answer you wouldn't have started out the thread with this statement that rejects the real reason people question his credentials -

Originally posted by Animal
It is a discussion that supposes Obama is legitimate and questions the motive for this movement in this context.

You just want a 'bash the questioners' eco-chamber thread.

Whatever. Bask together.
Enjoy those who make FALSE racist accusations.

It is not an issue of race for me. It is a matter of actual evidence. I care not what the color of skin the President has, but if we do not follow our own laws and guidelines we will be lost.

The birther movement, and conspiracy theories in general, are little more than the fuel that drives the internet and the globally linked, instant access society, in which we live.

This particular movement is beginning to bore me and bother me at the same time. A few months ago it looked like it was starting to fade away but then it pops back up with the recent media exposure its been getting. Now what bothers me, is that it is getting the attention it is from certain elected individuals who are purely getting involved to "make the news". It is designed to be a distraction and nothing more. Any opportunity to make life difficult for whoever is in power at the time.

Now as a liberal, I am proud to say that I can pull my head out of the sand every once in awhile to look around and try to put things in perspective. Think back to 2001. Bush stole the election, he deserted from National Guard, he was behind the swift boat adds.....

Standard politics, only from a different view. I was actually waiting for Obama to wheel out a huge cardboard copy of his BC (like those big checks they give lottery winners) at the end of his press conference, but he looked tired and just wanted to go to bed.

And I do believe he is a citizen and I do believe Bush stole the election. But this is now and that was then.

Wow, you mean some Americans still have some sense left? I'm impressed and slightly less concerned for your country's future.

Up here in Canada and family that I have over in the EU see programs conclusively debunking this thing on American news networks daily. It's gotten very old, bordering on pathetic that some people just won't accept it and move on. Please, for the sake of the rest of the world's collective marbles, get with reality!

The birth certificate has been shown, the certificate of live birth, the announcement in the Hawaii newspaper, these people still getting their panties in a bunch over it look plain silly from outside America's borders. They're equated with moon hoax believers, flat Earthers and those who believe the planet is 6000 year old.

Maybe they don't see it that way but that's how they're viewed.