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The Rise of the Birther Movement and It's Aims.

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posted on Jul, 25 2009 @ 11:05 PM
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reply to post by pavil
 

He probably can, but he would be wasting his time instead of trying to
do something about the deep doo doo we're ALL in.

Doesnt really matter anyway, we blew it years ago, it's just now we are
finally realizing it.

If it wasn't this, the sore losers would just harp about something else.




posted on Jul, 25 2009 @ 11:25 PM
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Originally posted by pavil

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
And it is sufficient proof for eligibility. I dont think anybody, including the judges, are going to really care "what you personally want to see". I think they'd be more interested in what evidence you have to give this conspiracy any legs at all.


Boy Southern, is that your stock answer??? Why can't Obama out of the kindness of his heart just ask them to release the records????

SG, answer me this, could Obama ask them to release the records? Can he make this request, regardless of the courts or me or anyone.


Because you wouldn't believe it and would then demand to see the Hospital admission records and mothers medical records. And then you wouldn't believe that and demand to see the physicians personal diary and patient records. And then you wouldn't believe that.



posted on Jul, 26 2009 @ 04:50 AM
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Originally posted by pavil

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
And it is sufficient proof for eligibility. I dont think anybody, including the judges, are going to really care "what you personally want to see". I think they'd be more interested in what evidence you have to give this conspiracy any legs at all.


Boy Southern, is that your stock answer??? Why can't Obama out of the kindness of his heart just ask them to release the records????

SG, answer me this, could Obama ask them to release the records? Can he make this request, regardless of the courts or me or anyone.


Because he is properly pissed on all the Sh!t he had to listen to from ignorants like all the "Show us your long form birth" since no other president has been so pounded by such a small thing... Come on Bush stole the election and what happen? no one didnt cry 1 month after. Get a grip and get real and accept you lost.

Best regards

Loke.:.



posted on Jul, 26 2009 @ 07:36 AM
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Originally posted by Loke.
Because he is properly pissed on all the Sh!t he had to listen to from ignorants like all the "Show us your long form birth" since no other president has been so pounded by such a small thing.

First of all, I'm sure you think everyone who does not agree with your brainwashed liberal drivel is ignorant.


Secondly, you mean no other President besides McCain right?

McCain had to prove himself because of being born off U.S. soil on a military base. Please take your faux outrage elsewhere.


Come on Bush stole the election and what happen? no one didnt cry 1 month after.

Again, this is your flawed, brainwashed, liberal & wrong OPINION.



posted on Jul, 26 2009 @ 08:01 AM
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Hi RedHatty,

The Online birth certificate is inadequate to prove the location of birth. How many times does this have to be re-posted? All the details are provided here. including an image of what the real thing looks like:

www.wnd.com...

How many times does this have to be re-posted? It would be extremely easy for the Acorn staff to shut down and disgrace those of us who dare question of the birth of "The One!"

Just pay a very small fee to the State of Hawaii for the "Certificate of Live Birth," or "long form which contains the location of birth, name of the hospital and those things inherent in a real birth certificate.

They could even pay a Mexican drug dealer to forge one up for 'em; Acorn's extremely effective at nefarious things - like registering illegals and dead to vote.

Instead of paying a small fee for a piece of paper that would disgrace and shame those who they naively call "birthers," they prefer to spend millions to discredit those of us who dare question ROPE (Reid Obama Pelosi Emanuel).

The shame of it is - they (Acorn) are spending our tax dollars to discredit us taxpayers.

One small point - The piece of paper that fully justifies issuance of the Online certificate could be a foreign issued birth certificate. And evidence is overwhelming that the piece of paper came from Kenya.

So, what's the Acorn leadership to do? A forgery from Mexico will suffice, then millions of Americans will live out the rest of their lives in embarrassment, chagrin, shame and disgrace.

Well, I'm tired of trying to educate moronic Acorn employees, so Acorn do this,

Contact any illegal alien
Find out who does good forgeries
Get a forgery for "The One," then publish it.

Then this thread ends, and Acorn wins!

Too Easy!

[edit on 26/7/09 by Adonsa]



posted on Jul, 26 2009 @ 08:08 AM
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Originally posted by dodadoom
reply to post by pavil
 

He probably can, but he would be wasting his time instead of trying to
do something about the deep doo doo we're ALL in.

Doesnt really matter anyway, we blew it years ago, it's just now we are
finally realizing it.

If it wasn't this, the sore losers would just harp about something else.



It's not like it would take an enormous amount of Obama's energy to allow the release of all his birth records. To make it sound so is disingenuous. Why don't we get to the release of the records before you make such assumptions as in your last sentence.



posted on Jul, 26 2009 @ 08:13 AM
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Originally posted by rnaa
Because you wouldn't believe it and would then demand to see the Hospital admission records and mothers medical records. And then you wouldn't believe that and demand to see the physicians personal diary and patient records. And then you wouldn't believe that.


Boy, you seem to know exactly how I and others feel about this issue huh? It's so much easier to not release all the pertinent facts and just beleive than to actually find out, is that it? Wouldn't the more logical approach be to release all the info you have to proof beyond the bare minimum required? Yeah, I know......crazy sounding isn't that?

Releasing the long form BC would go a very long way towards dispelling many peoples concerns.



posted on Jul, 26 2009 @ 08:18 AM
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Originally posted by pavil
It's not like it would take an enormous amount of Obama's energy to allow the release of all his birth records.


Is your Cruise Control stuck on Ignorant? Try tapping the brake pedal.

The ONLY AVAILABLE VERSION has been released.


The article quotes Hawaii Health Department spokeswoman Janice Okubo as saying the department "does not have a short-form or long-form certificate .... [What Obama released] is the same certified copy everyone receives when they request a birth certificate."

Meanwhile, the state of Hawaii says it can't release a paper copy of the president's original birth certificate because they say the state government discarded the original document when the health department records went electronic some eight years ago."


Source



END OF STORY.




[edit on 26-7-2009 by kinda kurious]



posted on Jul, 26 2009 @ 08:35 AM
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Originally posted by kinda kurious


Is your Cruise Control stuck on Ignorant? Try tapping the brake pedal.

The ONLY AVAILABLE VERSION has been released.


The article quotes Hawaii Health Department spokeswoman Janice Okubo as saying the department "does not have a short-form or long-form certificate .... [What Obama released] is the same certified copy everyone receives when they request a birth certificate."

Meanwhile, the state of Hawaii says it can't release a paper copy of the president's original birth certificate because they say the state government discarded the original document when the health department records went electronic some eight years ago."


Source



END OF STORY.


So there is no hard copy of the Birth Records? That's curious, since:


The state health director said yesterday she has personally seen and verified Sen. Barack Obama's original birth certificate in an effort to address numerous requests for the document.


www.starbulletin.com... /20081101_officials_verify_birth_certificate_of_obama.html

So how did she personally see and verify his ORIGINAL birth certificate????
It must exist in order for her to have personally seen it, or how does that occur? Which is it?

Oh, BTW, no need to get into insulting terms.

[edit on 26-7-2009 by pavil]



posted on Jul, 26 2009 @ 09:06 AM
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Pavil, I apologize for my snide comment. I allowed another poster to rattle me. Sorry.

Regarding your link. It is not working. I did find this on that site:


No amount of evidence will sway birthers from their delusion; not his birth certificate, not Lingle's and the state health director's declarations of its authenticity, not vital statistics published in Honolulu's newspapers after his birth in 1961.

Birthers' profound conviction festers in their extreme disappointment about the election of someone different from previous presidents.


www.starbulletin.com...

(I realize it is an editorial.)

I was unaware of that claim so thanks. If true, wouldn't it undermine the controversy?




[edit on 26-7-2009 by kinda kurious]



posted on Jul, 26 2009 @ 09:33 AM
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Originally posted by kinda kurious
reply to post by pavil
 


Pavil, I apologize for my snide comment. I allowed another poster to rattle me. Sorry.

Regarding your link. It is not working. I did find this on that site:


No amount of evidence will sway birthers from their delusion; not his birth certificate, not Lingle's and the state health director's declarations of its authenticity, not vital statistics published in Honolulu's newspapers after his birth in 1961.

Birthers' profound conviction festers in their extreme disappointment about the election of someone different from previous presidents.


www.starbulletin.com...

(I realize it is an editorial.)

I was unaware of that claim so thanks. If true, wouldn't it undermine the controversy?




[edit on 26-7-2009 by kinda kurious]


No worries, everyone gets agitated.

Don't know about the link not working. I googled "state officials verify Obama birth certificate" and the Star article pops up. Links goof up on me every so often.

I would just like to see every fact available and be able to make my own judgment. I get the impression of not having all the information available presented, yes it's just an impression but disturbing to me none the less. I have stated numerous times in these kind of threads that the State of Hawaii being able to release all his birth records, which seem to indicate there is a fuller version Birth Certificate still not made public (see google search), I would accept those findings.

Painting blanket assumptions on a group of people, is never a good idea, IMO.



posted on Jul, 26 2009 @ 01:35 PM
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Fellow patriotic Americans. After reading this, you're going to become furious with me. You're going to tell me I betrayed the cause, you're going to accuse me of giving aid and comfort to those who seek to destroy the country. You may even accuse me of treason.

Look, in this and other message threads, I've been disrespectful to Obama, to Rahm Emmanuel, to decent and hard working Acorn employees, and to illegal aliens and other Mexicans.

So, in order to make amends and to level the playing field, I feel compelled to reveal 4 brilliant options to them, with 2 options that will severely harm our cause. I have to face reality in doing this. The Americorps federal police force may come knocking any minute - even before I'm done typing this.

So here it is:



Outcomes for the Birth Certificate Issue

4 Options for Rahm Emmanuel


Option #1 - Do Nothing.

Advantages:

  1. Business as usual continues,
  2. Executive power continues


Disdvantages:

  1. The discussion festers.
  2. Some Obama supporters might question "The One!"
  3. Annoyances from concerned citizens may continue.
  4. Word of the Kenyan birth place might leak (again).
  5. Gibbs may have to keep laughing off the question.
  6. Somebody might ask about it (again) at a town meeting.
  7. Rush Limbaugh might mention it again.


Option #2 - Release the piece of paper on file in Hawaii.
Advantages:

  1. The discussion ends.
  2. Diplomatic relations with Kenya will get even better.
  3. Gibbs no longer has to figure out ways to laugh it off.
  4. No impeachment, nothing negative - the left owns the congress, the Supreme Court, the press, and all agencies.


Disdvantages:

  1. Citizens who raised the issue, to begin with, will go unpunished.
  2. Gibbs may have to laugh off the piece of paper having come from Kenya.



Option #3 - Forged birth certificate printed in Mexico.
Advantages:

  1. Fool Proof
  2. Mexican drug cartels have access to the world's finest printing presses.
  3. Likewise, illegals' handlers,.
  4. Printed certificate could even satisfy the scrutiny of Acorn voter registration officials.
  5. Millions who questioned "The One," will be permanently chagrined, disgraced, and rendered ineffective.
  6. Under the New World Order, those who questioned Mr. Obama will be severely punished.


Disdvantages:

  1. Forgers charge more than the state of Hawaii charges for a real birth certificate.
  2. Kenyans will be left out of the picture
  3. Kenyan officials will be scratching their heads.
  4. Hush money or strong-arming might become necessary.



Option #4 - Forged birth certificate from US Government printing presses.
Advantages:

  1. Fool Proof
  2. Printed certificate could even satisfy the scrutiny of Acorn voter registration officials.
  3. Millions who questioned "The One," will be permanently chagrined, disgraced, and rendered ineffective.
  4. Under the New World Order, those who questioned Mr. Obama will be severely punished.


Disdvantages:

  1. Kenyans will be left out of the picture
  2. Kenyan officials will be scratching their heads. Hush money or strong-arming might become necessary.
  3. The artists, engravers and equipment operators will need to be loyal Democrats
  4. Plates will require destruction afterwards.



[edit on 26/7/09 by Adonsa]

[edit on 26/7/09 by Adonsa]



posted on Jul, 26 2009 @ 02:25 PM
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Wow, catastrophic parody failure.

How about Option #5?

Neocons and right wing zealots accept that the credentials as presented which satisfy all requirements as required by law. Obama goes about the gigantic tasks of salvaging our great nation which was nearly decimated by prior administration.

No disadvantages that I can see.

Regards...KK



posted on Jul, 27 2009 @ 12:23 PM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan


Originally posted by Witness2008
Birth Certificate here latimesblogs.latimes.com...
Perhaps you and your kind need to prove he was not born in Honolulu Hawaii on August 4, 1961 at 7:24 pm.

Perhaps you and your kind need to prove that he WAS born in the USA.
That document has been debunked completely.
Jay McKinnon admitted making the forgery.
Where have YOU been?????



STILL LYING ABOUT THIS FLYERS????

HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO DISPROVE YOUR BS....and you just keep on posting it.

FROM OTHER THREADS....


Originally posted by maybereal11
Flyer ...you lie...not a personal attack, but instead a demonstrable fact. I can go back and pull up past threads where you have edited qoutes, twisted the truth, distorted facts and often outright lied...about this issue. like I said, I will cite your prior posts if need be. You need to be banned because you fan the flames with dishonesty and lies.


Originally posted by FlyersFan


Forger Jay McKinnon confessed.



Here is where I confronted you on this specific lie just last week and here you are doing just as I predicted...repeating the lie you know to be false.




Originally posted by maybereal11

Originally posted by FlyersFan
Bud ... you've already been shown that's a forgery. The forger (Jay McKinnon) admitted it. AND Factcheck is run by Annenberg. Obama was on their board and they are big Obama $$ sponsors.



www.freerepublic.com...
Jay McKinnon, a self-described Department of Homeland Security-trained document specialist, has implicated himself in the production of fake Hawaii birth certificate images similar to the one endorsed as genuine by the Barack Obama campaign,

Whoa..."simliar to" not the actual certificate that President Obama produced? Geez Flyers the way you are repeatedly claiming this particular piece of BS I thought it must be true!

This is Free Republic for gods sake...ya know..the ones that print almost anything anti-obama and even they are saying that this guy only created a hoax certificate which in their opinion is SIMILAR...NOT THE ACTUAL CERTIFICATE OBAMA PRODUCED.

Lets look to another Anti-Obama site maybe they will clear it up...
Israeli Insider
web.israelinsider.com...
Jay McKinnon, a self-described Department of Homeland Security-trained document specialist, has implicated himself in the production of palpably fake Hawaii birth certificate images similar to the one endorsed as genuine by the Barack Obama campaign

Again "Similar to" but NO he did not forge Obama's Birth Certificate for him.

* Here is my question to you Flyers...if the Israeli Insider and the Free Republic weren't comfortable lying and saying this man forged President Obama's Birth Certificate for him...Why are you?

Deny ignorance everyone.

[edit on 13-7-2009 by maybereal11]



Originally posted by maybereal11
From my earlier post
...case in point above.

Originally posted by maybereal11

They have instead repeatedly twisted and distorted facts as well as outright lied to continue making the case.

There are many posters here who are familiar to me who repeat things that have been clearly and decisively shown to be false on other threads they were active in.

Some of them I have caught editing qoutes they lift from sources to suit their position.

All evidence to the contrary that folks post here is easily debunked...and has been debunked...and when it is debunked..those posters turn to personal attacks or silently slink away to post on some other thread until their BS is challenged again.




posted on Jul, 27 2009 @ 04:04 PM
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apart from the illogical assumption that ms Dunham decided to get up and go to Kenya in 1961 8 months pregnant with Mr Obama still back in Hawaii, to then only give birth to Obama there then fly back to announce it on the news papers in anticipation that he will become president... lets just put that aside. Plane tickets were $400 back in those days, in the 1960s. Gee. Aint that interesting? This is just merely based on the theory these folks have come up with.



posted on Jul, 27 2009 @ 04:12 PM
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The bottom line is this:
1) There is no documentary proof offered that Obama was not born on US soil.
2) The "Birthers" definition of "natural born" has already been ruled invalid by case law noted on this site. You can have your own opinions, but case law is case law.
3) Most importantly, pragmatically-speaking, there will NEVER be a nullification of the 2008 election. The only members of the GOP who might bring it up are members with one foot in the political grave already.
Where's Ron Paul on this one? Where are the other libertarians/conservatives in the house and senate? Do you really think the election would be nullified? That in itself tells me all I need to know about "Birthers".



posted on Jul, 27 2009 @ 10:46 PM
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LEFTIST POLITICIANS DECLARE WAR ON VOTERS

Ordinary citizens have presented one (easy to accomplish) request - produce the real birth certificate (stop being childish, I refer to the real birth certificate).

For acorn employees with short memories, the difference between the real birth certificate and the online birth certificate is described here:
www.wnd.com...


REID, OBAMA, PELOSI, EMMANUEL (ROPE) SPEND MILLIONS OF TAX DOLLARS TRASHING VOTERS.

Rahm Emmanuel and other Obama handlers (aided by the mainstream media) have been spending millions of dollars and thousands of man-hours trashing ordinary citizens.

SPOILED BRAT LIBERALS DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION.

If Obama (aka Barry Soetoro) had been born in the US, the matter could be settled without the expense and time of otherwise trashing ordinary citizens.

Castigate me all you want for posting this; I'm no threat, Rahm Emmanuel, I'm just one ordinary citizen with no more than one vote, and without the power and political influence that you have. Does it make you feel good to berate ordinary citizens? You people behave as spoiled children.

The Real Bottom Line.

In the beltway, they all know that Barry Soetoro Obama was born in Kenya. They all know he's a usurper and still a citizen of Indonesia! He can't even produce a naturalization certificate showing he immigrated back from Indonesia; because he didn't. What's he got now - A green card? a H-1B visa? Did he falsify his way back in? Why sure. Then he's an illegal alien.

ARROGANT DEMOCRATS USE NAME CALLING TO STIGMATIZE VOTERS.

Ordinary citizens need to ask for his college records which will also show he's a citizen of Indonesia.

ACORN EMPLOYEES - YOU HAVE NO CHOICE - YOU MUST DEFAME ORDINARY CITIZENS.

Acorn employees, you want to trash me for posting this? Go ahead, you have no choice, you must do it. Use your billions of tax dollars to trash one voice, one voter, just one ordinary concerned citizen for asking a legitimate question. Face it, Acorn employees, you're going to have to produce a counterfeit birth certificate. After you get done blasting me, you need to go talk to the counterfeiter.
Quote

"You will learn to fear President Obama"

Yeah, whatever! Ask me if I believe his lies.



posted on Jul, 28 2009 @ 11:29 AM
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If the long form were submitted by the proper Hawaiian authorities, and tests were run to authenticate the age of the paper, etc., Birthers would still not believe it, so to tell you the truth, 85% of the American voters don't give a flip what you guys think. Obama may turn out to be a total disaster as a President, but not because he was born in Kenya, Hawaii or Zeta Reticuli. It's similar to being against Hitler because he was a vegetarian.



posted on Jul, 29 2009 @ 08:01 PM
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So many questions, so many contradictions...

Hawaii says they DO have Obama's original


Hawai'i's Health Department confirmed yesterday that it has President Obama's original Aug. 4, 1961, birth certificate in storage, but the announcement is unlikely to satisfy conspiracy theorists who insist Obama was born in Kenya.
Advertisement

"We don't destroy vital records," Health Department spokeswoman Janice Okubo said. "That's our whole job, to maintain and retain vital records."

The Health Department's director reiterated yesterday that she has seen Obama's birth records.

Honolulu Advertiser 7/28/09

Is this post proof that Obama was NOT born at Kapiolani Hospital???

Info on the property at the address listed in Obama's newspaper announcement

interesting that that property is now owned by a Hawaii Senator's staff assistant...

Private Investigator's Court Affidavit on his investigation into Obama's Birth

since no one can get a story straight, is it any wonder we keep on questioning?

[edit on 7/29/09 by redhatty]



posted on Jul, 30 2009 @ 11:58 AM
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Here is the problem with this issue, People that believe in this nonsense...

1) Don't believe evidence presented unless some blond bimbo Russian mail order bride is spouting it.

2) If it doesn't come from the World Net Daily it's obviously false.

3) No matter what official has confirmed the birth certificate as genuine. There will always be "Questions"

4) Even though they have absolutely no evidence of their own to support their claim, it's obvious to them that Obama is Kenyan and therefore ineligible.

So it's only logical to conclude that...

Obama was born in Hawaii, and no matter what actual evidence is shown, no matter what facts are presented, nobody that believes this horse dookie is going to stop because it's not about the birth issue its about sour grapes, it's about not liking a man in the white house that they vehemently disagree with.

At this point it has become a pathological condition for some. It akin to a mental health disorder. Where the patient believes wholeheartedly in their own conjured up fantasy of reality that any attempt at showing them actual reality is dismissed immediately for the fantasy world these people have built up for themselves.

IE "I reject your reality, and substitute my own."

In this psychosis the patient feels that an usurper has been elected fraudulently and his only real goal is the destruction of the country. These people believe that America is under constant attack from this man. Who they believe is a closet Muslim and terrorist. Some even go so far as to believe in their fantasy world that Obama is the Antichrist and is sent to bring about the end of days.

[edit on 7/30/2009 by whatukno]



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