Originally posted by KiliRae
I appreciate you getting a tad off topic for me and explaining what Jesus really meant. Or at least how his words have been translated and handed
down.
But the OP has just as much a valid point that it seems many Christians take certain passages completely out of context, while ignoring others.
Isn't there a passage about eating shellfish and being stoned in the Old Testament? If Christians are going to lash out at the homosexuals then why
not lash out at the Red Lobster crowd?
I have to run out but yes I ll look up the verse I am referring too and either correct myself or post it. If someone beats me to it. Thanks!
Hi all, interesting conversation going on here. I haven't quite read the whole thread yet, but wanted to comment on this one, KiliRae.
Actually, God changed the food laws several times throughout the bible.
In Genesis, in the beginning, He gave man and woman "every seed bearing herb" and seed bearing fruit from trees for "meat".
After the flood, He gave Noah permission to eat meat.
After bringing His people out of Egypt, He gave different instructions to Moses regarding what might be eaten, and what might NOT be eaten.
This particular reference you made above, WAS addressed and rescinded in the New Testament, in
ACTS 15 (and also addressed in other parts of the New Testament, in
regard to whether gentiles should be circumcised and follow the food laws of Moses (different from the 10 commandments, which God personally
wrote).
1And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.
2When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of
them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question.
4And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the church, and of the apostles and elders, and they declared all things that God
had done with them. 5But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to
command them to keep the law of Moses. 6And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter. 7And when there had been much
disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my
mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. 8And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he
did unto us; 9And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. 10Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the
neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? 11But we believe that through the grace of the LORD Jesus Christ we shall
be saved, even as they.
so they wrote a letter clarifying the matter:
24Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised,
and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment: 25It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with
our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27We have sent therefore Judas and
Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth. 28For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than
these necessary things; 29That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from
which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well. 30So when they were dismissed, they came to Antioch: and when they had gathered the
multitude together, they delivered the epistle: 31Which when they had read, they rejoiced for the consolation.
And Deaf Alien,
Notice how it states to refrain from fornication as well in here........fornication would include any sexual behavior outside of marriage, including
living together, prostitution, adultery, bestiality, AND homosexuality.
Just about verything in the Bible from beginning to end indicates the only sexual activity taking place should be in marriage AND between a man and a
woman ONLY.
In the Old Testament, polygamy was tolerated by God for a time, but in the New Testament, Jesus made it clear that the preferred situation is marriage
between one man and one woman.
Jesus Himself stated a man shall leave his family and cleave to his wife. The wedding at Cana, where Jesus performed his first miracle, was between a
bride and bridegroom.
In Jude, in the New Testament, it says this
1Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:
2Mercy unto you, and peace, and love, be multiplied. 3Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful
for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints. 4For there are
certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness,
and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. 5I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord,
having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not. 6And the angels which kept not their first estate, but
left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. 7Even as Sodom and Gomorrha,
and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example,
suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. 8Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.
Sorry, Deaf Alien, I have to disagree with you.
Scholars can say what they want, but they are not God, and God's word is pretty clear, don't do it.
God Bless
