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'Birthers' Are Playing Right in to His Hands!

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posted on Jul, 22 2009 @ 12:00 PM
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If you are making a big deal about Obama's birth certificate, I'm convinced that you are doing exactly what you are expected to.

I think it's all pretty simple, but I'm a pretty simple person.

We have all witnessed the erosion of our civil liberties, the villification of large swathes of the population and the zealous intolerance of the fed and 'normal' citizens when it comes to questioning the 'official' story.

The Obama birth certificate issue plays right into this and people are falling for it.

Obama KNOWS you are going to be upset. Personally, I think he knows that you will be VERY upset, and that you will convince many of your friends to be upset as well. This is all part of the plan. I think everything that has been done, said, or omitted over the past six months has been part of a calculated plan to push you over the edge, and it's working.

Normally reserved citizens are standing up in town hall meetings, writing their editors, angry and demanding justice and disclosure of documents that don't really matter anyway. What this provides the PTB, is the catalyst they have been needing to initiate the next phase of the plan. We are on the cusp of something really big and the majority of us will need to be put in our place.

It's all just misdirection. People are upset, because they have been manipulated to be. Much like the emperor in Star Wars, the PTB can 'sense' our anger and are goading us to take up our weapons and 'strike them down.' That, of course, would be the path to the dark side.

I would ask that you step back, and use some discretion, keeping your cards close to your chest. Once you have been overcome with your own emotions, you have lost the battle. If TPTB want to start something big, make them start it. Don't be easily duped into giving them the excuse they're after.

Edit for fat fingers and head.



[edit on 22-7-2009 by KSPigpen]




posted on Jul, 22 2009 @ 12:23 PM
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Oh, so keep quiet, huh? Don't make any waves cause it's much better to be awake sheep? Are you really that scared of them? They should be scared of us. That's not a threat or anything just a statement on how it should work.

Thomas Jefferson said: "When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty."



[edit on 22/7/2009 by Iamonlyhuman]



posted on Jul, 22 2009 @ 12:38 PM
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I can somewhat see your point, and hell we just might be playing into their hands...

I was talking to my son about this last nite...young men
....it was all take up arms , make them listen to us, etc...

As appealing as that sounds to the young man who lives deep within this 46yr old...it's not the way. The govt. would use that against us.

The true way to take back our govt. from these knuckleheads..VOTE THEM OUT!!! I truly hope that throughout the next elections cycles, we as Americans wake up and exercise the true power our founding fathers left to us...the VOTE!

We can vote these traitors (in some cases) out of office.



posted on Jul, 22 2009 @ 12:50 PM
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Originally posted by deadbang

The true way to take back our govt. from these knuckleheads..VOTE THEM OUT!!! I truly hope that throughout the next elections cycles, we as Americans wake up and exercise the true power our founding fathers left to us...the VOTE!

We can vote these traitors (in some cases) out of office.


That is the best way to keep them fearful of us. The majority of people haven't paid attention for a long while and that's why we've gotten into the mess we have. I say it's a good thing that this Obama thing is being talked about, because that might get people back to being involved in politics and actually casting INFORMED votes.



posted on Jul, 22 2009 @ 01:29 PM
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Originally posted by Iamonlyhuman
Oh, so keep quiet, huh? Don't make any waves cause it's much better to be awake sheep? Are you really that scared of them? They should be scared of us. That's not a threat or anything just a statement on how it should work.

Thomas Jefferson said: "When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty."



[edit on 22/7/2009 by Iamonlyhuman]


Please don't mistake my recommendation of discretion for fear. My point is that, if you are already taken out of the equation, due to outspoken dissent, your 'vote' isn't going to do any good to anyone. None of your planning, preparing or even waking up will do anyone any good if you jump the gun and fall into the trap that has been laid for those unwilling, or unable to temper their emotional responses with rational prudence.

I have little to no faith that our system of 'elections' will result in any solution that is palatable to the people. It is obvious the fair tale we have been taught to rely on for change has broken.

What a wonderful world it would be if your voice, or your letters to your representatives, or your pushing of a button or pulling of a lever in a ballot box would make a difference in the direction this nation is headed. Although I don't share your optimism, I applaud your faith.

No. I fear it won't work. I fear there is no readily available method at our disposal to undo the self-serving cancer that has become the norm in what was designed to be our representation.

When you think that once your 'representatives' have been 'elected' that will be mindful of the wishes or desires of their constituents, ask yourself how much they listened when you opposed the blind spending of trillions of dollars for financial institutions. Wait, and see how much they listen when you oppose tax increases to pay for the health care of illegal aliens. Look at your senator, or congressman and learn how much THEY PERSONALLY have at stake when it comes to making policy that will benefit them financially, while disregarding your needs.

'Discretion is the better part of valor.' I didn't make it up. I'm just reminding you.

Your critical minds are of tremendous value to society, but will be of little use if you are gone before we really need you.




[edit on 22-7-2009 by KSPigpen]



posted on Jul, 22 2009 @ 02:09 PM
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Where did you hear the term "birthers" or did you coin that yourself? Be honest.

I am just asking because its one of the first signs of media propoganda, used to divide people.



[edit on 22-7-2009 by XXXN3O]



posted on Jul, 22 2009 @ 02:16 PM
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Your response was much more palatable this time... probably because you called my mind beautiful.


Lol, seriously... I agree that elections at this point in time don't seem a viable thing anymore and yes, it is still very fresh in my mind at least at how much our reps in Congress are representing us. But, I do not think that keeping quiet is the answer. It just takes one massive upheaval in elections to make them remember who they must "fear" and all the talking about this stuff right now is important to "helping" that upheaval happen.



posted on Jul, 22 2009 @ 02:19 PM
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Originally posted by XXXN3O
reply to post by KSPigpen
 


Where did you hear the term "birthers" or did you coin that yourself? Be honest.

I am just asking because its one of the first signs of media propoganda, used to divide people.



[edit on 22-7-2009 by XXXN3O]


I have to admit that I heard it here first...I think it found its way here from MSM...And it wasn't intended to be divisive or derogatory, by any means, as I have my own doubts about legitimacy of the process we witness six months ago.

I've learned a lot of words here.
Birther, Truther, Hominem.
I love this place.



posted on Jul, 22 2009 @ 02:22 PM
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His birth certificate issue is really a moot point because technically Obama cannot be a natural born citizen due to Obama's father not being a U.S. citizen at the time of his birth.

Just because Obama might or might not have a Hawiian birth certificate is moot. Whether he has one or not does nothing to prove that he is a natural born citizen which is required by the Constitution.

Both parents must be citizens in order for Obama to be considered a natural born citizen. Obama's father had citizenship in either Kenya or in Britain at the time of his birth so Obama technically cannot be a natural born citizen hense Obama is illegally occupying the Presidency.



posted on Jul, 22 2009 @ 02:29 PM
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Originally posted by WhatTheory
His birth certificate issue is really a moot point because technically Obama cannot be a natural born citizen due to Obama's father not being a U.S. citizen at the time of his birth.

Just because Obama might or might not have a Hawiian birth certificate is moot. Whether he has one or not does nothing to prove that he is a natural born citizen which is required by the Constitution.

Both parents must be citizens in order for Obama to be considered a natural born citizen. Obama's father had citizenship in either Kenya or in Britain at the time of his birth so Obama technically cannot be a natural born citizen hense Obama is illegally occupying the Presidency.


Although a LOT of people may agree with you, that is not the discussion we're having here. I know there are a lot of threads for that.

I welcome your input on the issue of whether or not the hysteria and anger incited by his lack of disclosure, or the perpetuation of this issue of his eligibility are in fact being used by the administration to create a situation in which citizens in disagreement with the current agenda are motivated to 'show their hand' as it were, and render themselves useless to future efforts of education and liberation, due to premature incarceration or 'neutralization.'

At issue here is not his eligibility. It's the underlying reasons for perpetuating the anger and dissent that his failure to produce the documentation is causing.



posted on Jul, 22 2009 @ 02:44 PM
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Originally posted by KSPigpen

Originally posted by XXXN3O
reply to post by KSPigpen
 


Where did you hear the term "birthers" or did you coin that yourself? Be honest.

I am just asking because its one of the first signs of media propoganda, used to divide people.



[edit on 22-7-2009 by XXXN3O]


I have to admit that I heard it here first...I think it found its way here from MSM...And it wasn't intended to be divisive or derogatory, by any means, as I have my own doubts about legitimacy of the process we witness six months ago.

I've learned a lot of words here.
Birther, Truther, Hominem.
I love this place.


I know you didnt mean any offence.

Just think about what I said and have a look around is all.




posted on Jul, 22 2009 @ 03:17 PM
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Originally posted by deadbang
I can somewhat see your point, and hell we just might be playing into their hands...

I was talking to my son about this last nite...young men
....it was all take up arms , make them listen to us, etc...

As appealing as that sounds to the young man who lives deep within this 46yr old...it's not the way. The govt. would use that against us.

The true way to take back our govt. from these knuckleheads..VOTE THEM OUT!!! I truly hope that throughout the next elections cycles, we as Americans wake up and exercise the true power our founding fathers left to us...the VOTE!

We can vote these traitors (in some cases) out of office.


The real problem my friend is that elected officals come and go. The laws they leave in their wake,are what we have to contend with. Behind the scenes of the visable government are sectors and groups that are under the same"rule" for decades. Then their successors are hand picked to continue the objective. In the case of this "shadow government" house cleaning will not suffice. A house burning would rid us of the infestation!



posted on Jul, 23 2009 @ 01:54 AM
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In my opinion, Obama was probably born in Hawaii.

If he wasn't, then any entity who is powerful enough to want him to be president in defiance of the Constitution would probably be powerful enough to change the records and forge a birth certificate.

But it isn't a lost cause. As much as I am not really hopping on the birth certificate bandwagon, I do find it very easy to cheer it on.

Obama is not going to release his certificate. Obama worshipers and yes men don't want Obama to release his birth certificate and he knows it.

This has the effect of Obama trying to hide something.

Time is only going to grow the suspicion into some kind of urban legend.

The end effect is that people will less likely be supportive of Obama. It is bad enough that Obama is pushing all this high priced socialist crap, but he is pushing for all this high priced socialist crap and he isn't even eligible to be president. The more and more Obama will look like a liar and cheater even though he actually is a citizen, it will just expose all the things that he and his media lovers are lying and cheating on.

Better yet If Obama DOES actually show his birth certificate. It will be too late. The conspiracy theorists will howl saying that Obama got his media goons to forge the certificate (even if they didn't) and will still erode his image.

To put it simply, this "birther" thing is great, even though the premise might not be true. If it puts suspicions into the minds of the American people, then maybe they will see all the REAL damage, the cheating, the corruption of Obama, his minions, and his handlers.



posted on Jul, 23 2009 @ 05:41 AM
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You do not have to start a violent revolution to do anything.

Just do not be passive and complacent , speak out against all the BS and inform people. The people hold the power , if people do not go along with the BS , we win.



posted on Jul, 23 2009 @ 06:17 AM
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Both parents must be citizens in order for Obama to be considered a natural born citizen.

This seems a bit fishy. Can anyone confirm this?



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