Shock: Inside the Obama Healthcare Bill

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posted on Jul, 22 2009 @ 10:50 AM
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Bottom line, never wish for what you can not understand or is bury in bureaucrap.


Still I like my health insurance and I am very happy with it, why will I have to be forced into something I don't want?.

I have two major surgeries and my insurance has never let me down, those two surgeries were over 100 thousand dollars combine.

I still have my insurance and I still pay the same.

I say give government insurance to those that want it and need it, but I want my insurance to stay the way it is and is my choice.

[edit on 22-7-2009 by marg6043]




posted on Jul, 22 2009 @ 10:52 AM
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Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck

Originally posted by sos37
This is our country, not yours. Americans don't want a flawed health care system like Canada has and we certainly don't need advice from someone who doesn't live here.


Tell you what? When you guys stop citing the 'flawed Canadian system' as an example of why the greatest nation on Earth can't take care of its own, then I'll stop putting in my two-bits (cdn) worth. Deal?


I'll tell YOU what - you got "cured" of cancer because you were extremely lucky. Maybe you detected it early, maybe they were able to take it out in one surgery - I don't know.

What I DO know is that if you had stage 3 or 4 cancer (My aunt was recently diagnosed with stage 4 pancreatic cancer which has spread to her liver and lungs. She has a year left to live with chemo, a matter of weeks without) or any sort of overly complicated disease that your doctors couldn't handle, that out of pocket would have skyrocketed because they would have referred you to a hospital IN THE UNITED STATES. That, sir, is why Canadians come to our country for health care - access to our superior medical technology and medical doctors.

The greatest nation on earth DOES take care of its own. The problem is that we have people in our government who, instead of trying to fix the healthcare problem, are trying to use the healthcare crisis as an excuse to excercise more government control over U.S. citizens.

I'm not saying our healthcare system doesn't need to be overhauled, because it clearly does - but what this healthcare bill is proposing is not the way to do it.



posted on Jul, 22 2009 @ 10:54 AM
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best argument i've read all day



posted on Jul, 22 2009 @ 10:59 AM
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Here is the link you asked for in the NEW YORK POST.


www.nypost.com...



posted on Jul, 22 2009 @ 11:08 AM
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Originally posted by sos37

Originally posted by JohnnyCanuck

Originally posted by sos37
This is our country, not yours. Americans don't want a flawed health care system like Canada has and we certainly don't need advice from someone who doesn't live here.


Tell you what? When you guys stop citing the 'flawed Canadian system' as an example of why the greatest nation on Earth can't take care of its own, then I'll stop putting in my two-bits (cdn) worth. Deal?


You failed to address that shot at me. Never mind.


...any sort of overly complicated disease that your doctors couldn't handle, that out of pocket would have skyrocketed because they would have referred you to a hospital IN THE UNITED STATES. That, sir, is why Canadians come to our country for health care - access to our superior medical technology and medical doctors.


No, it's not. Our system is not without flaws, and there can be a line for elective issues...like wanting an MRI before your appointment. So you want to jump the queue...you go south and spend your own dough. If you are shipped there for treatment...our government pays. I was 2 months from a suggestion of illness to treatment. That is typical. Like any system, it screws up, and people fall between the cracks.

But y'all should have it so good. Do you know the propaganda begin shoved down your collective throats by Big Heath right now? Never mind Obama...at least he is ultimately answerable...not like K Street.



posted on Jul, 22 2009 @ 11:08 AM
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NOW YOU WONDER WHY I ASKED, IF I WOKE UP IN COMMUNIST CHINA THIS MORNING?



posted on Jul, 22 2009 @ 11:13 AM
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早晨好。 欢迎到革命

*good morning, welcome to the revolution






posted on Jul, 22 2009 @ 11:14 AM
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Hey sounds like a bill that will finally solve the social security problems in this country. The bill will require mandatory suicide for the seniors on social security. Atleast thats the way I see it.... How can You get any more tyranical then this?



posted on Jul, 22 2009 @ 11:15 AM
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Don't worry...... be happy.
What I really like about this healthcare bill is that it won't cost us a thing. It will not increase the deficit. Obama said so a few days ago.


How come I keep getting a vision of hell and a handbasket?



posted on Jul, 22 2009 @ 11:20 AM
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Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Govt will have direct access 2 ur banks accts 4 elect. funds transfer


There's a lot from the quote on the front page I do not like, but I tremble at the thought that the US government will have the ability to access MY $$$$ for any reason.
This is not going to be a good thing.
And, it will NEVER affect cost reductions as the federal government do NOT know how to reduce costs.

BTW, I like the insurance I have.



posted on Jul, 22 2009 @ 11:28 AM
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Originally posted by Question

We didn't want it then, and a good percentage of us now STILL don't want it.




While 85 percent of respondents said the health care system needed to be fundamentally changed or completely rebuilt, 77 percent said they were very or somewhat satisfied with the quality of their own care.
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Eighty-three percent of Americans favor and only 14 percent oppose “creating a new public health insurance plan that anyone can purchase” according to EBRI, a conservative business research organization. This flatly contradicts conservatives’ loudest attack against President Obama’s plan to provide quality, affordable health care for all.
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A clear majority of Americans -- 72 percent -- support a government-sponsored health care plan to compete with private insurers, a new CBS News/New York Times poll finds.
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76 percent of respondents said it was either "extremely" or "quite" important to "give people a choice of both a public plan administered by the federal government and a private plan for their health insurance.
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Sixty-nine percent of Americans support creation of a government-run health plan to compete with private insurance companies, a new poll found.
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Well look at that! I never would have guessed that the MAJORITY of Americans were lazy pot-smoking-hippies.

Based on comments you have made it looks like it is YOU who hates America and should move to a location that best suits your ideals and values. We hippies have this country in the bag.

What I really thought was quite telling in this set of links was link # 1, in which we see that 85% are for the public option and at the same time 77% are happy with their coverage. What does this tell us? That the people of the USA have woken up tot he fact that Jesus's motto of caring for your neighbor actually holds water.

Cool.


[edit on 22-7-2009 by Animal]



posted on Jul, 22 2009 @ 11:33 AM
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I think a lot of people forget that the majority of hospitals in the the U.S. are privately owned. In any business, making a profit is the goal. For those who purchase health insurance for themselves and/or their families, can attest to the fact that over the last few years, insurance premiums have risen, and so have the costs for hospital treatment. The reason being for this is not the greed of the hospitals or the insurance companies, but rather, those without insurance are not able to be turned away, and using hospital equipment, labor, etc. In other words, those who use the hospital and can't pay their bills, those with insurance have to pay for them, either in premiums, co-pays, and/or hospital care.

Now, do I feel that individuals should be turned away from receiving health care assistance? To a certain extent. The reason I say this is that there are many free health clinics out there that help with issues such as the common cold and even that of broken bones. But when individuals enter the emergency room because they have the flu, I absolutely believe they should be turned away.

The problem with the U.S. is that we have catered to people who don't take responsibility for themselves. Instead of buying a gas guzzling car, or spending on other frivolous material goods, why not purchase health insurance? Ever since, hospitals were forced to not turn anyone without health insurance away, they have been considerably in the red. I know for a fact that government run hospitals in the Los Angeles County areas are severely in the red, but some have even shut down. The reasons why? The government no longer want to fund them, and those who go/went through them, run off before paying the bill.

I hear people saying, tax the rich. What makes us believe that the rich don't work as hard or perhaps even harder than the average American? I know many individuals who make $250K a year, but work more than 80 hours a week. I feel that Americans are so spoiled that they envy those who have something better, so they try to do whatever it takes to bring those people down. I have to say to that, get over yourself, nothing in life is free, and if it were, there's a huge catch to it.

If this country wants to save money, it's rather simple, but first, the politicans need to learn to make decisions not based on potential votes the next time election, but rather, what's best for the country. The government should stay out of private business, and private businesses should take accountability for their actions.



posted on Jul, 22 2009 @ 11:35 AM
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Originally posted by kyred
Don't worry...... be happy.
What I really like about this healthcare bill is that it won't cost us a thing. It will not increase the deficit. Obama said so a few days ago.


How come I keep getting a vision of hell and a handbasket?


You're right! I forgot! He also said that unemployment won't go above 8% and that everyone will be working with his stimulus bill. -whew- For a moment I was afraid our country was going down the tubes, but if Obama says it's ok, well then, it must be fine.
While I'm waiting 18 months in line for a splint for my broken leg, I can just read the 1018 page bill that tells me it will be ok.

-joy-



posted on Jul, 22 2009 @ 11:40 AM
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Originally posted by dannyfal

Originally posted by epete22

I am with some of the others, GET OUT THERE AND GET A JOB YOU SOCIALIST SCUM BAGS. Get some work ethic going, build on your income so you can afford insurance but by no means do not support something you didnt read, understand or enslaves us all to government beauracy.



you see you had a good post going until you threw that in there...

you claim that you have done all of the research and that you understand so much better than everyone else... then you go and make this statement

people who have jobs cannot get insurance. the plan doens't help the unemployed. i can afford insurance, i can't get it. do you understand? i am denied insurance because i am too much of a liability to them? they care about money more than health?

first part of the post was good tho lol. shouldn't have tarnished your credibility tho with the hate speech

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You're right, I am just so fed up with what is going on. I do not understand why people feel they are entitled to take from others because they have what others want. And I do consider myself informed, I read both sides of the issue i just lean more for liberty then tyranny.

People should be responsible for their decisions. If you take government assitance you should pay higher taxes, not the other way around. I retract my hate speech as that is what the PTB want. Division.



posted on Jul, 22 2009 @ 11:42 AM
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Continuing Bush's legecy of ramming stuff through with no details or transparency.

How or why does somthing so important need to be passed by congress before they go for break? They shouldnt even be getting a break.

90 some days into it, and hes going to REFORM HEALTHCARE! Surely this WAS a long time in the making, but on the other hand Obama couldnt even find people to fill his cabinet, and ended up appointing the same old people that have been doing the same crap. Even tax cheats.

The people that defend this need a hard slap to the face.



posted on Jul, 22 2009 @ 11:42 AM
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Congratulations you liberal hippies! Your so called messiah is gonna f*ck up the health insurance for me and my family, all so that you unemployed pot smoking hippies can get the "illusion" of having health care without having to work for it.


Well, let's see, I work a 40 hour a week job that does not provide health insurance, and if I happen to be too sick to work they reduce my hours from then on. That is of course if I can beg them to have a day off other than my normal two.


Honestly, are you R-tards so afraid of having to work and get your hands dirty; you would rather take this country down the path of tyranny, all so you can have SOMEONE ELSE take care of your problems, all because your too damn lazy or too busy smoking pot, you don't want to have to do it? You should be ASHAMED of yourselves, and your parents should be ashamed of themselves too for raising such lazy, selfish, pot smoking twits! We get it! You HATE the U.S.! Just move to Cuba already and spare us the rabid garbage foaming at your mouth!


The truth is a while back I had actually come up with a workable plan that would give every single American basic health care coverage without raising taxes one penny. That's right not one penny, in fact it would not even bring a new bureaucracy into existence.

But of course, I am a liberal hippie



posted on Jul, 22 2009 @ 11:43 AM
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The CBS/NY Times poll was flawed. A report was done on that last month. I mean, if you JUST poll liberals, what sort of reaction do you think you'll get?

The most telling issue with this bill though, is that the people in DC and unions will be exempt from this bill. I guess if it's good enough for we the peons, then it's . . . .NOT good enough for the ivory tower elites and their cronies.

If Nancy Pelosi wants to wait in line with me, then I'll think about it. But until that time, those prima donnas in DC can roll up that bill and smoke away with the rest of the lazy folks who think they deserve something for nothing!



posted on Jul, 22 2009 @ 11:52 AM
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This health care plan is not going to go through unless of course Obama is the anti-christ and can control all members of the senate and congress. Health care reform is what Washington uses to make us believe they are actually working. Its not gonna happen.



posted on Jul, 22 2009 @ 11:57 AM
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For some reason this is what came to mind...

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.



posted on Jul, 22 2009 @ 12:00 PM
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I see alot of anger directed towards one another on this site as of lately and it is disturbing to say the least. Let's not forget that we are all on the same side here.

As far as the lazy pot-smoking hippie comment... we should not be so quick to forget that these "lazy pot-smoking hippies" effectively ended the Vietnam war. These are also 90% of the "people" that show up at demonstrations to protect this planet and you "hard working, self absorbed peoples" rights. If it was not for peaceful protests by these "hippies" I fear to think where the country would be today. I think it would probably be much much worse. Just because a person does not "fit" into a mold that you deem an acceptable citizien does not make them any less a person or any less valued than you. I am happy you have a job that we would "all dream about" and benefits that we would "all dream about". Get off your pedestal and remember that we are all equal and should be treated so. Is that not what this great country was founded on??
I suupose if someone just looked at me I would be called a hippie, but I do work , pay taxes, am educated, dont look for handouts, but I DO boycot certain companies and their products. I do attend protests that are for the betterment of mankind. I do not judge other people or else I too should be judged.

I love open discussion and differing opinions but labeling people IMO pretty much tells me all I need to know about you .





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