9/11 Cover Is Blown - The New Evidence

An interesting series of video interviews with Jeffrey Steinberg implicating (again) Saudi intelligence and royalty, BAE and British intelligence, and the Bush administration in the events of 9/11.

Early this year, the National Archives released documents from the files of the 9/11 Commission, which were previously classified. Three of those documents, recently obtained by EIR, provide the ``smoking gun,'' proving the central role of Saudi intelligence, and the critical support role of British intelligence in the preparation, execution, and coverup of 9/11. The most significant of the documents, still partly classified, is a ``Memorandum for the Record,'' summarizing an April 23, 2004 interview with a Southern California-based FBI informant, who rented a room in his home to two of the 9/11 hijackers during 2000. Although the memorandum redacted the informant's name, other public sources have identified the man as Abdussattar Shaikh. His FBI handler has also been publicly named as Steven Butler.

I find it curious how this guy never mentions any Israeli/Mossad involvement. We have to remember this is the EIR's Chief Counterintelligence Director speaking here.

www.larouchepub.com...

Is this just another deflection of the truth and implementation of controlled opposition to further confuse researchers of 9/11? Where is the focus on the hard evidence that been uncovered? Why mention Saudi Arabia at all when suits against them are just getting tossed out court under protection from first the Bush administration, and now the Obama administration??

He mentions that a new investigation is called for, but notice that it has nothing to do with nanothermite, explosions, omitted 9/11 Commission testimony from Norman Minetta and Willy Rodriguez, or missing black box serial numbers, etc. Sad. :shk:

Here, last minute bonus entry:



[edit on Wed Jul 22nd 2009 by TrueAmerican]

S&F

and the stuff just keeps on coming

I do feel sorry for the ones in this country who are totally clueless about ANYTHING related to 9-11, (there are millions)...they are going to feel 'SO' betrayed, (and pissed off), AFTER they get over the SHOCK of realization.

Originally posted by hgfbob
S&F

and the stuff just keeps on coming

I do feel sorry for the ones in this country who are totally clueless about ANYTHING related to 9-11, (there are millions)...they are going to feel 'SO' betrayed, (and pissed off), AFTER they get over the SHOCK of realization.

The media will call it crazy,baseless and the brain child of unpatriotic kooks.Most of those millions willl believe that no matter what evidence pops up....

I could only view two of the YouTube links before I got bored.

These people are seemingly more interested in How Larouche Got It Right than in formulating any coherent approach to the subject matter.

Yes, it does look like deflection. It concentrates on the Bush-Bandar connection, which has been beaten over the head for a few years by Michael Moore. The stuff about the al-Yamamah deal is old, old news. Perhaps I was impatient but if someone titles a video "The New Evidence" I'd like to see it, and PDQ thanks very much.

The whole thing (or the two links that I saw before giving up) was pretty weird, and oddly amateurish. Mind you, who listens to Larouche folks anyway?

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very informative and lets hope something comes out of this instead of being brushed under the carpet...

S&F...

Also, the intreviewer made me laugh a little - he seemed very nervous...

Having known that 9/11 was an inside job for some years, I do yearn for the day it becomes common knowledge.

I figure that either this or the moon landing hoax will SOON be exposed, with the other one following quickly.

Anything to get this travesty into the open - and it wont be the MSM - is good.

The evidence is so overwhelming I feel deeply ashamed having bought the official story for a few years.

Just waiting for jfj123 to step in...

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you know... i wish that were true. but in the aftermath people will still be looking toward some authority to tell them what to do and what is happening.

i don't think there will be a moment of realization. at this point most folks will still not understand what exactly has happened. they will go on thinking that it is for the better. they will go on thinking that surely the ends justify the means, and that their tax dollars are hard at work, because for most it seems unfathomable that anyone in official standing could ever be untruthful.

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i like what Ventura said: "2 planes, 3 buildings"... and the camp stove analogy was dead on. now i'm generally not one to align myself with aging pro-wrasslin' alumni... but after all, he played Captain Freedom too!

any time i find myself in a discussion about 911, nobody can ever seem to explain how steel melts from burning jet fuel. either they retreat to the old "plenty of other combustible materials" argunment, or "did you see the size of that fireball" crutch.

is it so hard to believe that TPTB DO NOT have our best interests at heart? and if so, please, anyone, provide an example in the course of human events that proves otherwise.

it is easy to sit in our computer chairs and groan about how life is unfair, but if we feel it from the comfort of our living rooms, and from the convenience of a laptop think about how it feels for those in real dire straits.

there will never be enough evidence. by the time the truth is outted, anyone responsible will be long dead, or in a position of unquestionable authority. thats why 50 years go by before we start seeing it hinted at on the history channel.

what good is evidence when the jury is out? even if it broke on the 10 o'clock news people would still stick their heads in the sand and rather not care about what is about to bite them in the ass. IRL the negativity associated with this subject is impermeable. in my experience, those clinging to the official version of events throw their hands up in dismissal before providing logical explanation as to how kerosene can destroy two of the largest man-made structures ever built... and cause a third to collapse with precision.

i told myself long ago that i'd never post in another 911 thread. it's like arguing religion. what's the point? people are swayed by conviction, not fact. so congrats OP, on getting this jaded one to reply.

i don't know or care if were an inside job... the point is we are being lied to, and it isn't the first time it has happened in the name of someone else's 'greater good'.

at one time i truly believed that the flag was sacred. that baseball and apple pie where the hallmarks of a great civilization, that being an Eagle Scout means something, that my grandfathers fought the last 'good' fight...

but i have come to realize that they too, in all of their wisdom were at one time young men duped into campaigning for war against an illusory foe, and that no amount of baseball & apple pie can restore the ONLY American pastime, which is Liberty and Justice for All.

our legacy is not xbox and hollywood. those are but window dressing in a whore's boutique. (lol. remember Batman Forever? i know stupid movie, but someone tried to warn us about 'the box'! :p )

there are no good guys. only us. and it is up to us as to which way this thing goes. we can sit back and take our medicine like good kids, or we can throw a tantrum in which case we will either get our way, or get put to bed.

Originally posted by Solomons

Originally posted by hgfbob
S&F

and the stuff just keeps on coming

I do feel sorry for the ones in this country who are totally clueless about ANYTHING related to 9-11, (there are millions)...they are going to feel 'SO' betrayed, (and pissed off), AFTER they get over the SHOCK of realization.

The media will call it crazy,baseless and the brain child of unpatriotic kooks.Most of those millions willl believe that no matter what evidence pops up....

but that's just it...it's the 'MEDIA', that is putting it down and bringing up the WORST person they can find, (ROSIE O'), to represent the truth movement to discredit it...

But, SOME in the media are coming around....Gage on a morning talk show in San Francisco....PBS in Denver running "Press for Truth" about the woman who went before Congress and DEMANDED an investigation. I'm sure...more to come

If 9/11 was a consperacy don't you know how many people would have had to cover everything up. There would be 100's and possibly 1,000's of people all keeping a secret. Don't you think that would have came out? Don't you think the media would jump on this, they hate Bush and would do anything to make him look bad.

Originally posted by gravykraken
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...because for most it seems unfathomable that anyone in official standing could ever be untruthful.

lol.....ummm....you DO watch the news ...don't you?

almost EVERY day, there is someone in Gov. having some sort of 'self-inflicted' meltdown.
Whether it be marital discourse,(cheating and caught), bathroom-stall-tapping, extortion, embezzlement...it goes on, and on, and on, and on

oh..unless YOU were making a joke.

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is it so hard to believe that TPTB DO NOT have our best interests at heart? and if so, please, anyone, provide an example in the course of human events that proves otherwise.

99.44/100% are there to do a good job...it's the handful who are allowed to roam free ABOVE the Gov. are the problem

there will never be enough evidence. by the time the truth is outted, anyone responsible will be long dead, or in a position of unquestionable authority. thats why 50 years go by before we start seeing it hinted at on the history channel.

But, remember, there has NEVER been a time in human recorded history where INFORMATION was just a click away...and TPTB, never saw it coming. If this had happened 15 years prior...it would have been a lot harder to get info out, there would NOT have been the ability to get info to the masses...INSTANTLY..(good example is the USS Liberty),...This can't be compared to chatting in a bar and repeating rumors with NO other availability for checking sources. THAT is WHY they are trying SSOOO hard to regulate and control the INTERNET...this WILL be the means to the end...in SO many ways

Originally posted by Victoria 1
If 9/11 was a consperacy don't you know how many people would have had to cover everything up. There would be 100's and possibly 1,000's of people all keeping a secret. Don't you think that would have came out? Don't you think the media would jump on this, they hate Bush and would do anything to make him look bad.

The media is in the back pocket of the real people that run your country.They were and still are complicit in covering it up,or atleast try to belittle the subject the best they can.Plus Presidents are puppets that read from the teleprompter,they have little to no power anymore.

Originally posted by Victoria 1
If 9/11 was a consperacy don't you know how many people would have had to cover everything up. There would be 100's and possibly 1,000's of people all keeping a secret. Don't you think that would have came out? Don't you think the media would jump on this, they hate Bush and would do anything to make him look bad.

just a small handful with full knowledge....everyone else just had to follow orders

You DO realize that there are hundreds of thousands employed just in civilian Gov.

I use to work at a Government printing office,(GPO), where we would print the Secret manuals for, Raytheon, General Dynamics, ect...

I had to get a "Secret" clearance that took almost three months...we would print with the agents right there, to make sure we were not reading...I ran a folder and if it seemed like I was taking too long surmising adjustments, they would say something...anyway...I had to sign a paper saying I would never talk about what I saw, heard or read....EVER....or would be tried under the penalty of treason

So this has NOTHING to do with NO ONE stepping forward...they can't

But there are PLENTY of retired Gov and military who are willing to speak their mind..and they do

retired patriots

I haven't looked at the embedded videos yet, just read through the responses so far. Almost all of them express opinions very close to ones I also hold.

As time goes on I think we will see attempts to trot out various fall back positions admitting various degrees of the truth in an effort to find the point at which most Americans are willing to cut bait on the 9/11 investigation and move on. The powers that be are (naturally) determined to hold their position and a complete clearing of the air on 9/11 would lead to some kind of civil war I believe.

The down side of a thorough airing and exposure of 9/11 truth is the possible appearance of some sort of Robespierre figure in American politics, determined to really clean house. I'm a 9/11 truther but I don't want that. I just want American political life invigorated to the point where the people's representatives are made to mind that they really do exercise the will of the people.

We will always have oligarchs and powerful individuals but the American system gives us the tools to control them, if we use them and if we keep them from destroying those tools.

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Well put GravyKraken. I think the fundamental problem to having a mass awakening to the truth of what actually happened on 9/11 is denial, plain and simple.

Imagine if you were told that your own father was a serial rapist or murderer. It's just too horrific to comprehend. Even if solid evidence were put in front of you would you want to look? No, of course not.

The people of Germany in the 1930's were conscientious, moral people. They were not monsters but regular folks the same as you or I. It was inconcievable to them that one day they would be gassing jews, slavs, gypsies and other state undesirables under the Nazi regime.

The national socialist party came to power under promises of full employment and a restoration of german national pride. Initially their programs worked; the german people got jobs, pride was restored and a brighter future seemed realistic.

In 1937 no-one in germany could imagine that in just 8 years germany would be in ruins, their beautiful cities bombed and burnt out, their sons and husbands lying dead on the fields of france and russia.

Fast forward to 2009 - Americans can still hardly believe that we have grabbed innocent people from around the world, imprisoned them for years under horrible conditions and engaged in torture. Our Air force drones regularly bomb and kill dozens of innocent women and children but that's justifiable as long as we get one of "the bad guys". They are all just unfortunate collateral damage . This is national policy or as Cheney put it they fall under the domain of the "One percent doctrine". Our former vice president has stated that as long as we kill ONE of our enemies (al-qaeda or taliban) it is acceptable to kill 99 innocent people.

Where is the outrage of the American people? By our own government's definition we have become a terrorist state. We are still in collective denial and by the time we can handle these truths emotionally we will have been sucked into events that We the People can no longer control.

We are still stuck in Iraq and Afghanistan. We still spy on americans illegally. We still commit torture. We are still in denial, en masse.

Obama was elected on promises of "Hope"; Hope and "belief in change". Both are unnaceptable sustitutes for action and so the status quo remains unchallenged.

I would love to see a fox reporter or Anchor agreeing with someones valid point for a change, you can tell on their faces they are dying to do so however it is more than their jobs worth. I cant believe some people can look at all the evidence and still think there is nothing wrong with the official story or the 9/11 Report, Jesus these people have rocks for brains

Originally posted by Victoria 1
If 9/11 was a consperacy don't you know how many people would have had to cover everything up. There would be 100's and possibly 1,000's of people all keeping a secret. Don't you think that would have came out? Don't you think the media would jump on this, they hate Bush and would do anything to make him look bad.

The biggest problem is that exact assumption.

Everyone jumps on a bandwagon that oh it was a govt. inside job or no it was terrorists.

What the majority seem to miss is it was meant to look the way it looked.

In the end it's a perfect rendition of what a foreign country would do in order to cause a govt. to collapse and take control of that govt.

1. You start a controversy within the target country to including false evidence. So outlandish only a conspiracy theorist would be associated with it.

2. You keep hammering away at it for years by bring it up in media and news outlets and the masses eventually begin to believe over time due to conditioning.

3. The general public eventually becomes so enraged it breaks out in a type of civil war.

4. At that point the hostile country is able to take over the govt. as a savior to the people and the people embrace the new govt. as their saviors from a wicked system.

All the time it was set up by the very people in the end who gain control of that countries govt. KGB admitted to using it in the past what's to say them or some other country isn't doing this now? Who's to say these people are already in key position within the US govt. to pull off something like this?

Just saying it's an inside job doesn't mean it was the US itself that orchestrated the event it means some individuals in power need to be taken out and hung for treason and the such. Heck some in power right now are not even US citizens and it would be very easy to do over an extended period of time.

It just seems interesting that what's going on appears to be text book operations for toppling and taking over a govt. in this case the US.

The conspiracy sub-culture is so desperate to prove the US govt, it's agencies, Israel/Mossad planned and executed 9/11 they won't deal with the reality that the US was attacked by malign foreign powers. It's no secret factions of Pakistani military intelligence actually planned and co-ordinated the attacks.

So adolescents try to show their rebellion by analyzing Youtube videos of building collapses and dot connecting factoids from flaky websites.

The message delivered to anyone wanting to attack a Western power is clear. The people themselves if you attack and kill them will respond by pointing fingers at their own government rather than seeking out their enemies.

A sad state when people lose their own self-protective instincts, organizing paranoid witch hunts rather than wanting to get back at those who have harmed them.


Mike

Interesting point but nothing new in that all of our allied intelligence agencies are intertwined. It is simply a case of Saudi outsourcing you might say.

The US shadow govt. or "The Company" (CIA) as it is termed by insiders has been employing so called "terrorists" indirectly throughout the 50's and 60's in S. America and more recently via Saudi intelligence since the mid 80's when Osama bin Laden and his fellow Jihadists were originally hired to defeat the Russians in Afghanistan.

The CIA obviously can't simply open a bank account in Kabul, Afghanistan and hand out atm cards to pay the mujahadeen or Jihadists.


This entire 9/11 debacle and it's resulting war on islamic terrorists is merely a new spin on good old British/American Imperialism. We just don't pull the Naval Armada into foreign harbors and pulverize nations into submission as was done in the past.

But As was previously utilized to overthrow foreign governments in the past, thats how Saddam begin his career with the US BTW. And as In 9/11's case We simply hired foreigners to do our dirty work for us !

And now that we're established in Iraq, and are near completing our 104 Acre embassy there. Any idea as to where the proceeds from Iraqi OIL revenues are deposited ?
Non other than Ben Bernanke's Bank, the US Federal Reserve !





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Originally posted by hgfbob
just a small handful with full knowledge....everyone else just had to follow orders

You DO realize that there are hundreds of thousands employed just in civilian Gov.

I daresay that despite the compartmentalization of information, one would have to be as thoroughly as stupid as a bag of hammers not to realize that secretly planting controlled demolitions in an occupied building is going to get a whole lot of innocent people killed.

The government was fully aware of the attacks. They knew it was all going to happen, how, and when.

Did they plan it? No. They saw it as a good excuse to go to war instead, which it was.

However, it angers the hell out of me when the real enemies weren't from Afghanistan nor Iraq...instead, they're in our 2nd favorite Middle Eastern country: Saudi Arabia. The biggest violators in human rights.

But of course, their oil makes us happy. So why accuse them of anything.

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