F-22 funding just cut off by Senate, page 2
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reply posted on 21-7-2009 @ 01:42 PM by getreadyalready
Originally posted by sweatmonicaIdo
reply to post by getreadyalready


And what about our Soldiers and Marines? How will they get all the little things they need if all our money goes to maintaining these "jobs?"

And if you're so worried, look at it this way. We increasing funding for the Army and Marine Corps, then the jobs go someplace else. Its not as if the jobs disappeared.


Fair Enough!

As long as the money doesn't go to bankers, so they can pretend to loan it back to us at a higher interest rates, so we can borrow money to buy what we already had before we lost our jobs!!!


reply posted on 21-7-2009 @ 01:48 PM by deltaboy
reply to post by sweatmonicaIdo


Your perception of other countries tends to remind me of Europeans view of the Japanese at the beginning of the 20th century especially considering the Japanese were the first to defeat a modern European military force which was the Russians during the Russo-Japanese War. Later on what was it that the Japanese created that shocked us? Oh yeah the Japanese Zero fighter which military found a wreck and studied before making a response to it by bringing the Hellcat, but then it was too late for the pilots in the older fighter planes that were no match for the Zero. If the potential opponents have built a fighter plane in response to the F-22 and produce it in 2015 just after the end of our F-22 production, by then to build a new plane would take 15 or more years correct? How long did it take to build the F-22 from scratch? The F-35?


reply posted on 21-7-2009 @ 03:03 PM by on_yur_6
reply to post by sweatmonicaIdo


It's off topic but I'll respond about our ground pounders. It's the entire mentality involved when politicians stick their noses into running military operations. It hasn't worked since Korea. The limited warfare nonsense doesn't work. Our troops are funded now. When this all began they didn't have proper armor or vehicles. Now the armor is coming out of their noses. It's still hard to defend huge IED buried on some mountain path. Your big equipment won't make it up the mountain and body armor is useless.

Healthcare is an individual responsibility not some god given right. Instead of overhauling the entire system, why not help the ones who absolutely can't work and provide for themselves? Hell, 12+ million illegal immigrants will soon be citizens and adding to that sucking sound of our dollar being flushed. You have to pay for car insurance right??? Pay for your own healthcare! Kick all able bodied, lazy, SOB off of welfare and have them work the jobs that all of the hard working illegal immigrants are doing. Cutting the F-22 is taking away more jobs and therefore placing a bigger burden on our society.

Back on topic. Where Russia, China, and India can hurt us is engagements near their territory. Our carriers are amazing but one carrier wouldn't last long off the shores of Russia, China, or India. Just the threat of a nearby F-22 squadron may give our adversaries pause.



[edit on 21-7-2009 by on_yur_6]


reply posted on 21-7-2009 @ 03:22 PM by on_yur_6
reply to post by sweatmonicaIdo


Go read up on all of the F-15 airframe failures. Those birds are awesome but they are worn out. I'd rather have the latest and greatest available and in great condition if I was a pilot.


reply posted on 22-7-2009 @ 12:40 AM by Birddog26
reply to post by sweatmonicaIdo


Hey, don't knock the P51. I could use some for close air support in Astan, and I am not kidding. The SEALs are already looking at another turboprop to fill this role. Sometimes low and slow works great.


reply posted on 22-7-2009 @ 04:13 AM by Harlequin
www.flightglobal.com...

The US Senate today voted to end production of Lockheed Martin F-22s after 2011, overturning a challenge to the Obama Administration's defence budget priorities with a surprising 18-vote majority.

The Senate voted 58-40 to strip $1.75 billion for buying seven more F-22s beyond the 187 funded in the current programme of record. The money had been added in June by the powerful Senate Armed Services Committee



its over - the F22 is DEAD , Gates has got his way and the golden monkey , with all its problems will be the figher/bomber for the future.


reply posted on 22-7-2009 @ 05:54 AM by Harlequin
HARM isn`t intergrated on the F22 nor is it going to be (IMO) - its not even mentioned in the `might not be funded` block 40 , and the F35 doesn`t have HARM on the weapons list for IOC.

so literally the F22 can carry 1 short range and 1 medium range missile type - unpowered bombs , either SDB (8 of) or 1000lb GBU-32 (2 of) , and the gun


and thats it - the wings are fitted for fuel tanks and missiles only.

so with an A2A radar (no it cant do A2G yet) and limited A2G weapons , the F22 right now cant do SEAD or DEAD.

and this is why , right now - i think its being canned - whilst an amazing air dominance fighter - in the last 25 years , we can count the number of `air battles` on 1 hand; the biggest used aircraft in the sand box are harriers, A-10`s and F-16 bomb trucks.

F-15C`s are sitting looking pretty as hanger queens , so in a way Gates is right , although the F35 will be a compromise, and in its real world day to day fighting will have the wing tabs ripped off and be bombed up to the hilt anyway.


yes the HARM will be fitted to the F-35 but in its `first off the line` weapons fit - it wont have it.

www.defenseindustrydaily.com...-2908


edit:

The AGM-88E isn`t even in service yet - its also known as the AARGM , but again the fins are far to big to fit internally on either aircraft.

look at the threads recently over the proposed upgrades to the F22 costing nearly as much as the aircraft itself - this is what gates wants to kill - the rampant overspending on a platform that was never meant to bomb.

[edit on 22/7/09 by Harlequin]


reply posted on 22-7-2009 @ 07:46 AM by C0bzz
reply to post by Ridhya


Nothing to shoot down in Iraq and Afghanistan. It's pretty much theoretical how well it would do in an actual fight.
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