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reply posted on 22-7-2009 @ 10:20 PM by defcon5
reply to post by Lil Drummerboy



Moreover, JP4/8 is nothing more then diesel with low sulfur content and some anti-icing/anti-static/anti-corrosion additives. We used to use the same JP for the jets in our diesel ground equipment, and guess what… No chemtrails came out of that equipment either.


reply posted on 23-7-2009 @ 12:18 AM by azureskys
Originally posted by defcon5
reply to
post by azureskys


You are recovering a bunch of stuff that has already been covered in this thread. The patent stuff, the chaff, etc… Did you read the thread from the beginning?



Um yes I'm the one who posted the patent stuff etc... !



reply posted on 23-7-2009 @ 01:34 AM by iamjesusphish
reply to post by defcon5



You may call me ignorant if you want but I believe something is going on and you won't change my mind with your "fact's"...


reply posted on 23-7-2009 @ 04:07 AM by defcon5
reply to post by azureskys



ORLY???
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

You are also Udontknowme then?
This a second account?
Or did you really not read the thread?


reply posted on 23-7-2009 @ 10:45 AM by ChemBreather
reply to post by defcon5



i must say, your not paying attantion, so stop talking the standard lecture all you skeptics toss around..
Seems like you have the same 'manual' to read from ..

Chemtrails Confirmed

Chemtrails are proven proven documented documented and admitted admitted too, so drop the debunk agenda all ready !!


reply posted on 23-7-2009 @ 10:53 AM by defcon5
reply to post by ChemBreather


NOTHING has been....
Proven, documented, or admitted too....
Where do you get your fantastical delusions from?

You are right though we do all get our information form the same source, meteorological information and experience in the aviation industry. Your information on the other hand comes from a group of crack-pot websites, and youtube videos.

Here you want to know what pilots think about chemtrails, start reading:
Airline Pilots Forum: Chemtrails
Airline Pilots Forum: Chemtrails (funny stuff)

Enjoy...

[edit on 7/23/2009 by defcon5]


reply posted on 23-7-2009 @ 10:54 AM by weedwhacker
reply to post by ChemBreather



Chemtrails are proven proven documented documented and admitted admitted too...


NO. THEY. ARE. NOT!

Your little History Channel video is all speculation, and paranoia, designed to sell advertising on the channel. It is hype! (It's narrated by Jonathon Frakes, "Commander Riker" from Star Trek! He's an actor, doing a job!)

Here's a video, from Alberta, Canada. That's pretty up North, close to your latitude there in Norway. Looky, looky at the pretty NORMAL cirrus clouds!!!



Meteorology!!!

Here's one done by a neighbour of yours in Finland!!!!!





[edit on 23 July 2009 by weedwhacker]



reply posted on 23-7-2009 @ 11:30 AM by weedwhacker
reply to post by defcon5



I don't want to feel so....used!! And dirtied...

Like being "chemtrailed" on...a new form of it.

Meh! Pfft! Let 'em have their 'hits'. Their little religion is mostly harmless.


reply posted on 23-7-2009 @ 05:51 PM by azureskys
Originally posted by defcon5
reply to
post by azureskys



ORLY???
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

You are also Udontknowme then?
This a second account?
Or did you really not read the thread?



The patents I posted are Not Included in the previous listing posted,
and are relevant.
I was just doing a little research and wanted to contribute.

Your attempts at intimidation have fallen short.



reply posted on 24-7-2009 @ 10:53 AM by daddio
Originally posted by defcon5
reply to
post by Scooby Doo



That would be due to the fact that persistent contrails are a weather related phenomenon, so we go through stretches where the conditions are not correct for contrails to form. If you ever pay attention, the amount of “Chemtrail” threads increase in the winter, further proving that they are nothing more then persistent contrails.


Once again we have a disinfo person here. one who is so brainwashed that they can not see the forest for the trees. Please research the subject matter completely before making statements without substantiation.

libertyforlife.com...



libertyforlife.com...



So why would 2 foreign countries FORCE U.S. military aircraft to land when flying over their countries? It is found in the second link. And then the U.S. has one of their CIA terrorist groups blow up an oil pipeline in Nigeria because that government won't release the servicemen or the plane?

Please do a bit of investigative work before you shoot your mouth off.

Cheers



reply posted on 24-7-2009 @ 12:36 PM by weedwhacker
reply to post by daddio



You are falling for the same disinfo used to promote the "chemtrails".

The House Bill with Kucinich's name on it has been talked about ad nauseum here. HE did not know the full contents, and was incensed when he learned of the "chemtrail" language that had been slipped it.

Nevertheless, since it's on Record, it remains as a quiver in the arsenal of the "chemtrail" hoaxists, and they arm their bows occasionally with it, hoping no one will know the real truth.

Your other implication...a US Military jet being forced down??? The link didn't work, but on the surface of it, I'd say...Rubbish. UNLSESS it occured in China, and the intent was to defuse a potential International Incident....


reply posted on 24-7-2009 @ 01:04 PM by wonderworld
I originally put this info on my chemtrail thread but should also be on this one.

OBAMA CONSIDERS CHEMTRAILS

President Obama is full of surprises. But even expectant reporters were taken aback when White House science adviser John Holdren used his first interview on April 18, 2009 to announce, “Global warming is so dire, the Obama administration is discussing radical technologies to cool Earth's air.”




With the first feedback effects from methane releases starting to kick in and our space colony's atmospheric CO2 levels surging toward the “Do Not Exceed” redline of 440 parts per million, Holdren declared that the Obama administration is considering “last resort” technologies to chill the global greenhouse village - aka the 'hood.




Is the Obama administration about to “out” chemtrails?



Referring to “radical” technologies that include spreading a sunlight-reflecting artificial cloud cover, Holdren declared, “It's got to be looked at. We don't have the luxury of taking any approach off the table.”





Since only a fraction of incoming solar radiation reaches the Earth's surface, this chemical sunscreen “would have more impact if done high in the atmosphere,” the NAS said. It might even “destroy stratospheric ozone.”


Why?


Because spraying megatons of fine particles into the stratosphere clumps chlorine compounds into giant ice clouds. When struck by sunlight, these chemical clouds refract prismatic fragments like rainbows. And become highly corrosive to ozone.



Ken Caldeira was the climate expert who ran the computer simulations at the Lawrence Livermore atom bomb labs. He too warned that the stratospheric spraying of sunlight-reflecting chemicals could “destroy the ozone layer” - as well as posing human health risks.



Nevertheless, the NAS enthused, “Perhaps one of the surprises of this analysis is the relatively low costs at which some of the geoengineering options might be implemented.”



Each “dust distribution mission” would require a 500-mile flight lasting about an hour and a half at a delivery cost of just $500 per ton of sunlight-reflecting chemicals



In 1996, the United States Air Force released its own feasibility study. Produced by seven high-ranking officers, “Owning The Weather In 2025” described this “high-risk, high-reward endeavor” in terms of “splitting of the atom” - before going on to describe how “Weather Force Specialists” could lay down “aerial obscuration” materials behind tanker aircraft.




“Global warming is too serious to be left to the politicians,” Teller later told the Wall Street Journal. “Injecting sunlight-scattering particles into the stratosphere appears to be a promising approach. Why not do that?” [Wall Street Journal Oct 17/97; Hoover Digest 1998 No. 1]




In fact, it was already being done. Chapter 4 of the IPCC's WGIII TAR SOD report looked at deliberate, large-scale manipulations of Earth processes. Intended to advise policy makers around the globe, the IPCC report pointed to the plausible “potential” of Ken Caldeira's computer models and Teller's sunscreen scenario. Though a few specks of the proposed chemical spray could have severe human health impacts, Teller and his cohorts proposed spreading 10 million tons of these shiny particulates to send about 1% of incoming sunshine back into space.”


CHEMTRAILS CONFIRMED



First confirmed by Airport Authority Terry Stewart at the Victoria International Airport on Dec. 8, 2000 as a “joint Canada-U.S. military operation” - and stridently denied by senior officers at Canadian Forces Base, where Stewart later told the Vancouver Courier he had received his information) - these tanker plane missions were verified in March, 2001 by the Air Traffic Control manager for the northeastern seaboard of the United States.


In three taped interviews with veteran radio journalist S.T. Brendt, our “Deep Sky” source said he had been ordered to divert incoming commercial flights away from USAF tankers spraying a reflective substance showing up on ATC radars as a 'haze'.


This FAA disclosure came on March 12, 2001 as squadrons of radar-identified air force tankers saturated skies over the northeastern United States with characteristic Xs, grids and parallel rows of broad, expanding chemical plumes.



After counting more than 30 big jets spreading persistent plumes within 45 minutes over remote rural Maine, ST Brendt called her assistant WMWV news director. Richard Dean and his staff went outside and counted 370 chemical trails over the next six-and-a-half hours. During this time, local Air Traffic Controllers reported only nine commercial jets on their radars



AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLERS CONCERNED OVER CHEMTRAILS



One month after the 9/11 attacks, Deep Sky began phoning Air Traffic Controllers. At Chicago's O'Hare airport, all three major airports in New York, as well as Los Angeles LAX, San Francisco, Atlanta, Cleveland, San Diego, Washington DC's Dulles and Jacksonville, Florida controllers were being ordered to route airliners beneath formations of air force tanker planes spraying chemicals that clouded their screens.


Several smaller but busy airports at Westchester County in New York state and Manchester in New Hampshire confirmed similar experiences. Every controller, without exception, was being told to divert commercial traffic away from these military aircraft, and bring them in lower to avoid “experiments” that could degrade their radars.


Cleveland airport controllers were surprised by the extent of obscuration on their radars



CHEMTRAIL SCIENTISTS SPEAK OUT


Ohio is the home of Wright-Patterson Air Force Base tasked with developing Tesla, HAARP and related weather modification technology. In December 2001, a Lawrence Livermore scientist on loan to Wright-Pat told Columbus Alive reporter Bob Fitrakis that two different projects were being conducted. One involved spraying microscopic aluminum particles parallel lines, X-patterns and grids to create artificial cloud cover and lessen global warming. Barium chemtrails were being used to direct the military's beam weapon in Alaska called HAARP for 3-D imaging, electronic warfare - and steering the jet stream.



HR2977


Just two months before, Ohio Representative Dennis Kucinich had ignited a Congressional firestorm by introducing HR2977. His “Space Preservation Act” called for the peaceful uses of space and a ban on “exotic weapons”. Section 7 specifically sought to prohibit “chemtrails”.


Kucinich later told Columbus Alive that despite official denials, as head of the Armed Services oversight committee he was well acquainted with chemtrail projects. “The truth is there's an entire program in the Department of Defense - 'Vision for 2020' - that's developing these weapons,” Kucinich told Fitrakis. The U.S. Space Command mission statement calls for “full-spectrum dominance of space, land, sea and air.”



Both USAF tankers had flown south out of Alaska. As Dickie, the kids and the controllers watched, the big jets began making patterns over Edmonton - “circuits” the controllers called it. “Petro 011” and “Petro 012” were working alone in “commanded airspace” from which all other aircraft were excluded.



And they were leaving chemtrails.


“The signature is significant,” one radar operator commented, referring to a trail clearly visible on the scope extending for miles behind the KC-135. In contrast, a JAL flight on the display left no contrail.



www.willthomasonline.net...


reply posted on 24-7-2009 @ 01:09 PM by weedwhacker
reply to post by wonderworld



I originally put this info on my chemtrail thread but should also be on this one.


And I countered your post there, with the proviso that I think willthomas and his website are incorrect, and I showed just one of their mistakes.

My response is Here, page 23:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

[edit on 24 July 2009 by weedwhacker]


reply posted on 24-7-2009 @ 02:26 PM by Essan
Originally posted by network dude

1. what are the affects of chem trails?


A small net increase in regional temperature

www-pm.larc.nasa.gov...

2. who is affected by chem trails?


Everyone living in areas where there is heavy air traffic, particularly N America and Europe. To be honest, air temp differences are not really noticeable, though reduction in sunshine on some occassions might be. Some argue they do offer however interesting photograhic opportunities.

3. who stands to gain by chem trails?


Photographers - see above

4. when did the chem trial phenomenon start?


First noted in 1918, first studied form the 1940s, extensively studied since the 1960s. How many papers di you want?

5. why do you think "they" are still spreading poison in the air when you obviously have them figured out?


Because I'm realy paranoid andbelieve everything I see on youtube and I haven't yet gotten a ticket for the 'B' Ark and I really think the Mutant Star Goat will eat the sun ........

[edit on 24-7-2009 by Essan]
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