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Chemtrails Photo and Research Thread!!!!

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posted on Jul, 22 2009 @ 10:20 PM
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reply to post by Lil Drummerboy
 


Moreover, JP4/8 is nothing more then diesel with low sulfur content and some anti-icing/anti-static/anti-corrosion additives. We used to use the same JP for the jets in our diesel ground equipment, and guess what… No chemtrails came out of that equipment either.




posted on Jul, 22 2009 @ 10:24 PM
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Originally posted by iamjesusphish
debunkers.... Say what you will I believe you are wrong and your not going to change my mind.

There is the whole key to the chemtrail hoax…
How can you go through life with blinders like that on?
So basically, we can disprove this with facts, logic, science, and personal experience, but you are going to believe no matter what?
How is that not Ignorant?



posted on Jul, 23 2009 @ 12:18 AM
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Originally posted by defcon5
reply to post by azureskys
 

You are recovering a bunch of stuff that has already been covered in this thread. The patent stuff, the chaff, etc… Did you read the thread from the beginning?



Um yes I'm the one who posted the patent stuff etc... !



posted on Jul, 23 2009 @ 01:34 AM
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You may call me ignorant if you want but I believe something is going on and you won't change my mind with your "fact's"...



posted on Jul, 23 2009 @ 04:07 AM
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ORLY???
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

You are also Udontknowme then?
This a second account?
Or did you really not read the thread?



posted on Jul, 23 2009 @ 10:45 AM
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i must say, your not paying attantion, so stop talking the standard lecture all you skeptics toss around..
Seems like you have the same 'manual' to read from ..

Chemtrails Confirmed

Chemtrails are proven proven documented documented and admitted admitted too, so drop the debunk agenda all ready !!



posted on Jul, 23 2009 @ 10:53 AM
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NOTHING has been....
Proven, documented, or admitted too....

Where do you get your fantastical delusions from?

You are right though we do all get our information form the same source, meteorological information and experience in the aviation industry. Your information on the other hand comes from a group of crack-pot websites, and youtube videos.


Here you want to know what pilots think about chemtrails, start reading:
Airline Pilots Forum: Chemtrails
Airline Pilots Forum: Chemtrails (funny stuff)

Enjoy...


[edit on 7/23/2009 by defcon5]



posted on Jul, 23 2009 @ 10:54 AM
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Chemtrails are proven proven documented documented and admitted admitted too...


NO. THEY. ARE. NOT!

Your little History Channel video is all speculation, and paranoia, designed to sell advertising on the channel. It is hype! (It's narrated by Jonathon Frakes, "Commander Riker" from Star Trek! He's an actor, doing a job!)

Here's a video, from Alberta, Canada. That's pretty up North, close to your latitude there in Norway. Looky, looky at the pretty NORMAL cirrus clouds!!!



Meteorology!!!

Here's one done by a neighbour of yours in Finland!!!!!





[edit on 23 July 2009 by weedwhacker]



posted on Jul, 23 2009 @ 11:25 AM
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Weed, I think I have figured this out...
The OP is right that these threads show up in batches, which I have always attributed to the weather, but it might be simpler then that. I just roamed on over to GLP, another much inferior conspiracy website, and guess what? In the first 50 threads I came across three chemtrail ones...

After reading how some of the believers are going to believe no matter what proof is placed before them, I seriously think there is a conspiracy here that does not involve aircraft of any type. Rather, I think that certain Chemtrail Websites are using larger conspiracy sites like ATS as advertising to raise their poor web-hits, and keep their advertising numbers up.

They show up here, post a controversial image, knowing that the logical folks at ATS will jump all over it, throw in a few links back to their site, and bingo.... Traffic from ATS raises their numbers before the end of the month figures are due to the advertising companies.

How much you want to bet that some of our staunch chemtrail believers are up to exactly that?



posted on Jul, 23 2009 @ 11:30 AM
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I don't want to feel so....used!! And dirtied...

Like being "chemtrailed" on...a new form of it.

Meh! Pfft! Let 'em have their 'hits'. Their little religion is mostly harmless.



posted on Jul, 23 2009 @ 01:15 PM
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I have not updated my website to often anymore, but when it was getting bad, around Feb-May I managed to get a video, but not soo much pics of what happens in Utah, I will post some more of strange cloaked jets as well.

thevixencollectionbox.tk... Check out the Chemtrails section.

They mysteriously stopped down here, it started near June when they converted the t.v's to digital, strange is it not?

[edit on 23-7-2009 by Mr9v9]



posted on Jul, 23 2009 @ 05:12 PM
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They're still going full steam ahead over Los Angeles. We had TWO days without them in the past 3 weeks, since we finally got some sun after 5 weeks of June gloom... It seems as though whenever we're supposed to have a warm, sunny day "tomorrow", the next morning the early weather broadcast suddenly says we're going to have some "high cirrus clouds..." and then HERE COME THE PLANES, spewing their toxic poison over land, sea, and every living thing.

I don't know how some of you can be so naive... you don't trust the government on ANYTHING ELSE, and yet, you buy into the contrails. AMAZABLE!



posted on Jul, 23 2009 @ 05:51 PM
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Originally posted by defcon5
reply to post by azureskys
 


ORLY???
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

You are also Udontknowme then?
This a second account?
Or did you really not read the thread?



The patents I posted are Not Included in the previous listing posted,
and are relevant.
I was just doing a little research and wanted to contribute.

Your attempts at intimidation have fallen short.



posted on Jul, 23 2009 @ 10:13 PM
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Sorry bud. All I see are airline vapor trails.



posted on Jul, 24 2009 @ 10:53 AM
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Originally posted by defcon5
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That would be due to the fact that persistent contrails are a weather related phenomenon, so we go through stretches where the conditions are not correct for contrails to form. If you ever pay attention, the amount of “Chemtrail” threads increase in the winter, further proving that they are nothing more then persistent contrails.


Once again we have a disinfo person here. one who is so brainwashed that they can not see the forest for the trees. Please research the subject matter completely before making statements without substantiation.

libertyforlife.com...



libertyforlife.com...



So why would 2 foreign countries FORCE U.S. military aircraft to land when flying over their countries? It is found in the second link. And then the U.S. has one of their CIA terrorist groups blow up an oil pipeline in Nigeria because that government won't release the servicemen or the plane?

Please do a bit of investigative work before you shoot your mouth off.

Cheers



posted on Jul, 24 2009 @ 12:36 PM
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You are falling for the same disinfo used to promote the "chemtrails".

The House Bill with Kucinich's name on it has been talked about ad nauseum here. HE did not know the full contents, and was incensed when he learned of the "chemtrail" language that had been slipped it.

Nevertheless, since it's on Record, it remains as a quiver in the arsenal of the "chemtrail" hoaxists, and they arm their bows occasionally with it, hoping no one will know the real truth.

Your other implication...a US Military jet being forced down??? The link didn't work, but on the surface of it, I'd say...Rubbish. UNLSESS it occured in China, and the intent was to defuse a potential International Incident....



posted on Jul, 24 2009 @ 12:59 PM
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OK, lets say chem trails exist. that should make parakeet, his other two accounts, and the other guy here happy. I will list some questions for you people who are so knowledgeable about this terrible affliction to answer.

1. what are the affects of chem trails?
2. who is affected by chem trails?
3. who stands to gain by chem trails?
4. when did the chem trial phenomenon start?
5. why do you think "they" are still spreading poison in the air when you obviously have them figured out?

Please help us understand why you think the way you do. We might be able to go explain to our bosses who pay us to spread disinfo why they are wrong and you are right.



posted on Jul, 24 2009 @ 01:04 PM
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I originally put this info on my chemtrail thread but should also be on this one.

OBAMA CONSIDERS CHEMTRAILS


President Obama is full of surprises. But even expectant reporters were taken aback when White House science adviser John Holdren used his first interview on April 18, 2009 to announce, “Global warming is so dire, the Obama administration is discussing radical technologies to cool Earth's air.”





With the first feedback effects from methane releases starting to kick in and our space colony's atmospheric CO2 levels surging toward the “Do Not Exceed” redline of 440 parts per million, Holdren declared that the Obama administration is considering “last resort” technologies to chill the global greenhouse village - aka the 'hood.




Is the Obama administration about to “out” chemtrails?




Referring to “radical” technologies that include spreading a sunlight-reflecting artificial cloud cover, Holdren declared, “It's got to be looked at. We don't have the luxury of taking any approach off the table.”






Since only a fraction of incoming solar radiation reaches the Earth's surface, this chemical sunscreen “would have more impact if done high in the atmosphere,” the NAS said. It might even “destroy stratospheric ozone.”


Why?


Because spraying megatons of fine particles into the stratosphere clumps chlorine compounds into giant ice clouds. When struck by sunlight, these chemical clouds refract prismatic fragments like rainbows. And become highly corrosive to ozone.




Ken Caldeira was the climate expert who ran the computer simulations at the Lawrence Livermore atom bomb labs. He too warned that the stratospheric spraying of sunlight-reflecting chemicals could “destroy the ozone layer” - as well as posing human health risks.




Nevertheless, the NAS enthused, “Perhaps one of the surprises of this analysis is the relatively low costs at which some of the geoengineering options might be implemented.”




Each “dust distribution mission” would require a 500-mile flight lasting about an hour and a half at a delivery cost of just $500 per ton of sunlight-reflecting chemicals




In 1996, the United States Air Force released its own feasibility study. Produced by seven high-ranking officers, “Owning The Weather In 2025” described this “high-risk, high-reward endeavor” in terms of “splitting of the atom” - before going on to describe how “Weather Force Specialists” could lay down “aerial obscuration” materials behind tanker aircraft.





“Global warming is too serious to be left to the politicians,” Teller later told the Wall Street Journal. “Injecting sunlight-scattering particles into the stratosphere appears to be a promising approach. Why not do that?” [Wall Street Journal Oct 17/97; Hoover Digest 1998 No. 1]




In fact, it was already being done. Chapter 4 of the IPCC's WGIII TAR SOD report looked at deliberate, large-scale manipulations of Earth processes. Intended to advise policy makers around the globe, the IPCC report pointed to the plausible “potential” of Ken Caldeira's computer models and Teller's sunscreen scenario. Though a few specks of the proposed chemical spray could have severe human health impacts, Teller and his cohorts proposed spreading 10 million tons of these shiny particulates to send about 1% of incoming sunshine back into space.”


CHEMTRAILS CONFIRMED




First confirmed by Airport Authority Terry Stewart at the Victoria International Airport on Dec. 8, 2000 as a “joint Canada-U.S. military operation” - and stridently denied by senior officers at Canadian Forces Base, where Stewart later told the Vancouver Courier he had received his information) - these tanker plane missions were verified in March, 2001 by the Air Traffic Control manager for the northeastern seaboard of the United States.


In three taped interviews with veteran radio journalist S.T. Brendt, our “Deep Sky” source said he had been ordered to divert incoming commercial flights away from USAF tankers spraying a reflective substance showing up on ATC radars as a 'haze'.


This FAA disclosure came on March 12, 2001 as squadrons of radar-identified air force tankers saturated skies over the northeastern United States with characteristic Xs, grids and parallel rows of broad, expanding chemical plumes.




After counting more than 30 big jets spreading persistent plumes within 45 minutes over remote rural Maine, ST Brendt called her assistant WMWV news director. Richard Dean and his staff went outside and counted 370 chemical trails over the next six-and-a-half hours. During this time, local Air Traffic Controllers reported only nine commercial jets on their radars



AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLERS CONCERNED OVER CHEMTRAILS




One month after the 9/11 attacks, Deep Sky began phoning Air Traffic Controllers. At Chicago's O'Hare airport, all three major airports in New York, as well as Los Angeles LAX, San Francisco, Atlanta, Cleveland, San Diego, Washington DC's Dulles and Jacksonville, Florida controllers were being ordered to route airliners beneath formations of air force tanker planes spraying chemicals that clouded their screens.


Several smaller but busy airports at Westchester County in New York state and Manchester in New Hampshire confirmed similar experiences. Every controller, without exception, was being told to divert commercial traffic away from these military aircraft, and bring them in lower to avoid “experiments” that could degrade their radars.


Cleveland airport controllers were surprised by the extent of obscuration on their radars



CHEMTRAIL SCIENTISTS SPEAK OUT



Ohio is the home of Wright-Patterson Air Force Base tasked with developing Tesla, HAARP and related weather modification technology. In December 2001, a Lawrence Livermore scientist on loan to Wright-Pat told Columbus Alive reporter Bob Fitrakis that two different projects were being conducted. One involved spraying microscopic aluminum particles parallel lines, X-patterns and grids to create artificial cloud cover and lessen global warming. Barium chemtrails were being used to direct the military's beam weapon in Alaska called HAARP for 3-D imaging, electronic warfare - and steering the jet stream.



HR2977



Just two months before, Ohio Representative Dennis Kucinich had ignited a Congressional firestorm by introducing HR2977. His “Space Preservation Act” called for the peaceful uses of space and a ban on “exotic weapons”. Section 7 specifically sought to prohibit “chemtrails”.


Kucinich later told Columbus Alive that despite official denials, as head of the Armed Services oversight committee he was well acquainted with chemtrail projects. “The truth is there's an entire program in the Department of Defense - 'Vision for 2020' - that's developing these weapons,” Kucinich told Fitrakis. The U.S. Space Command mission statement calls for “full-spectrum dominance of space, land, sea and air.”




Both USAF tankers had flown south out of Alaska. As Dickie, the kids and the controllers watched, the big jets began making patterns over Edmonton - “circuits” the controllers called it. “Petro 011” and “Petro 012” were working alone in “commanded airspace” from which all other aircraft were excluded.



And they were leaving chemtrails.



“The signature is significant,” one radar operator commented, referring to a trail clearly visible on the scope extending for miles behind the KC-135. In contrast, a JAL flight on the display left no contrail.



www.willthomasonline.net...



posted on Jul, 24 2009 @ 01:09 PM
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I originally put this info on my chemtrail thread but should also be on this one.


And I countered your post there, with the proviso that I think willthomas and his website are incorrect, and I showed just one of their mistakes.

My response is Here, page 23:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

[edit on 24 July 2009 by weedwhacker]



posted on Jul, 24 2009 @ 02:26 PM
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Originally posted by network dude

1. what are the affects of chem trails?


A small net increase in regional temperature

www-pm.larc.nasa.gov...


2. who is affected by chem trails?


Everyone living in areas where there is heavy air traffic, particularly N America and Europe. To be honest, air temp differences are not really noticeable, though reduction in sunshine on some occassions might be. Some argue they do offer however interesting photograhic opportunities.


3. who stands to gain by chem trails?


Photographers - see above


4. when did the chem trial phenomenon start?


First noted in 1918, first studied form the 1940s, extensively studied since the 1960s. How many papers di you want?


5. why do you think "they" are still spreading poison in the air when you obviously have them figured out?


Because I'm realy paranoid andbelieve everything I see on youtube and I haven't yet gotten a ticket for the 'B' Ark and I really think the Mutant Star Goat will eat the sun ........

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