The Korean Air "Hijack" on 9/11., page 1

I am going to try and not make this to convoluted or complicated, but I think there is something up here and I am not sure exactly what it is or how it fits in.

There was a Korean Air Jet that was thought to be "Hijacked" on 9/11

en.wikipedia.org...

Korean Air Lines Flight 85 was a Korean Air Lines flight that was on its way to Anchorage, Alaska, USA when the September 11 attacks occurred in the United States. Due to a number of factors the plane was considered by authorities to be a potential hijacked aircraft and was authorized by American officials and the Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chrétien to be shot down.

The Incident:

After the September 11 attacks, a call went out for all planes to return to their airports of origin (or if they didn't have enough fuel, to land in Canadian airspace). Discussing the day's events with the Korean Air office, the pilot of Flight 85 included the letters "HJK" (the code for "hijacked") in an airline text message. [1] When the pilot sent his text message, the text messaging service company, Aeronautical Radio, Incorporated (ARINC) noticed the "HJK" code.[1] ARINC officials, worried that the Korean pilots might be sending a coded message for help, notified North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD). NORAD, taking no chances, scrambled two F-15 jets from the Elmendorf Air Force Base to intercept the 747, with Alaska traffic control asking the pilots coded questions. Passenger pilots are trained to answer these questions in a coded way if hijacked.

The Korean pilots, instead of reassuring controllers, declared themselves hijacked by changing their transponder signal to the four-digit universal code for hijacked, 7500.[3] Worried that a possible hijacked plane might strike a target in Alaska, Senator Ted Stevens ordered evacuations of large hotels and government buildings in Anchorage. At nearby Valdez, Alaska, the U.S. Coast Guard ordered all tankers filling up with oil to head out to sea. Lt. Gen. Norton Schwartz, who was in charge of the NORAD planes that scrambled to shadow Flight 85, told reporters in 2001 that he was prepared to order the Korean plane to be shot down from the sky before it could attack a target in Alaska.[1]


With NORAD telling Anchorage air traffic control that it would shoot down the airliner if it came near any potential targets, the air control told Flight 85 to avoid all population centers and head out of the country to Whitehorse, Canada. NORAD promptly called Canadian authorities seeking the go-ahead to shoot the plane down over Canadian soil. I said, 'Yes, if you think they are terrorists, you call me again but be ready to shoot them down.' So I authorized it in principle, It's kind of scary that... [there is] this plane with hundreds of people and you have to call a decision like that.... But you prepare yourself for that. I thought about it -- you know that you will have to make decisions at times that will [be] upsetting you for the rest of your life. —2001 Prime Minister Jean Chrétien[2]

90 minutes after the Korean pilots changed their transponder signal to the 7500 hijacked code, and the plane landed safely in Whitehorse, Canada. Canadian officials took no chances and evacuated all schools and large buildings before the plane landed.[4] On the tarmac, Flight 85 was greeted by armed Royal Canadian Mounted Police officers who, after interrogating the pilots, learned the whole ordeal was caused by a translation error

Now notice that the Pilots inserted the four-digit universal code for hijacked? The didn't reassure the warplanes that came after them, after all was said and done, it was explained as some-kind of "translation error."


Here is the curious part in this:
www.911blogger.com...

The US military conducted a training exercise in the five days before the September 11 attacks that included simulated aircraft hijackings by terrorists, according to a 9/11 Commission document recently found in the US National Archives. In one of the scenarios, implemented on September 9, terrorists hijacked a London to New York flight, planning to blow it up with explosives over New York.

Here is what jumped OUT AT ME:

In a second hijack scenario on the same day, ten members of another fictitious terrorist group, called Lin Po, hijacked another 747 to Anchorage, this time out of Seoul, South Korea. The hijackers were armed, their weapons having been smuggled onto the plane by ground crews before takeoff. They also had gas containers that could be detonated. Two of the plane’s passengers were killed, and the CIA and NSA warned that the group had the means to pull off an attack with chemical and biological weapons. In response, NORAD's commander in chief ordered fighters from the Alaskan NORAD Region (ANR) to intercept and shadow the hijacked plane, and get into "position to shoot down aircraft."

Cleary there is a "Connection." Both included the plane being hijacked over Alaska, I believe that in this case it went from Seoul To Alaska.

Notice the familiar "shoot down" the craft in the last line there??


So it seems to me that the Korean Air Pilots thought they were involved in some-kind of game, yet they were carrying Real Passengers?


EDIT: Just to add, Notice all the other plots included NEW YORK? That is very coincidental that both a Korean Air Jet and New York were involved in these "hijacked" war games, considering the events of 9/11.


Thoughts??

[edit on 20-7-2009 by talisman]

reply to post by talisman

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Book "TOUCHING HISTORY" has account of Korean Airline 85 - controllers
contacted airline who said plane not hijacked, but every time called KAL85
the crew seemed to trouble understanding

Here is excerpt from Google Books

[url=http://]http://books.google.com/books?id=HlFXrXcq9X4C&pg=PA277&lpg=PA278&ots=O_-Tz-kU7o&dq=touching+history+korean&ie=ISO-8859-1&output=html[/url ]

Originally posted by thedman
reply to post by talisman

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Book "TOUCHING HISTORY" has account of Korean Airline 85 - controllers
contacted airline who said plane not hijacked, but every time called KAL85
the crew seemed to trouble understanding

Here is excerpt from Google Books

[url=http://]http://books.google.com/books?id=HlFXrXcq9X4C&pg=PA277&lpg=PA278&ots=O_-Tz-kU7o&dq=touching+history+korean&ie=ISO-8859-1&output=html[/url ]

Its very unlikey that Korean Air Pilots could not understand English, at least enough to know about "hijacking."

I've flown on Korean Air many, many times and I have lived in South Korea. Koreans all try and study English and most have some knoweldge, or at least to a certain degree.

It would be very difficult to believe that the Pilots would not have consulted with their Crew in case they really didn't know what was being "said."

Also, the "code" was input, that never was fully explained.

reply to post by talisman

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US Military 9-11 training exercise Vigilant Guardian once again rears its ugly head. Did Tricky Dick Cheney and General Meyers set this all up to cover for the 9-11 perps and the simulated 9-11 hijackings?

In the September 9 scenario, the fictitious terrorists’ goal seems to have been to kill New Yorkers with the rain of debris following the plane’s explosion. However, in the exercise, the military intercepted the plane and forced it away from the city. When the terrorists realized they were not near New York, they blew the plane up “over land near the divert location,” leaving no survivors. The military unit most involved in this scenario was NORAD’s Northeast Air Defense Sector (NEADS), which also played a key role in the air defense response to the 9/11 attacks, two days later.

Two Days Before 9/11, Military Exercise Simulated Suicide Hijack Targeting New York

For the neads crew, 9/11 was not a story of four hijacked airplanes, but one of a heated chase after more than a dozen potential hijackings—some real, some phantom—that emerged from the turbulence of misinformation that spiked in the first 100 minutes of the attack and continued well into the afternoon and evening. At one point, in the span of a single mad minute, one hears Nasypany struggling to parse reports of four separate hijackings at once. What emerges from the barrage of what Nasypany dubs "bad poop" flying at his troops from all directions is a picture of remarkable composure. Snap decisions more often than not turn out to be the right ones as commanders kick-start the dormant military machine. It is the fog and friction of war live—the authentic military history of 9/11.

9/11 Live: The NORAD Tapes

Originally posted by SPreston
reply to post by talisman

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US Military 9-11 training exercise Vigilant Guardian once again rears its ugly head. Did Tricky Dick Cheney and General Meyers set this all up to cover for the 9-11 perps and the simulated 9-11 hijackings?

In the September 9 scenario, the fictitious terrorists’ goal seems to have been to kill New Yorkers with the rain of debris following the plane’s explosion. However, in the exercise, the military intercepted the plane and forced it away from the city. When the terrorists realized they were not near New York, they blew the plane up “over land near the divert location,” leaving no survivors. The military unit most involved in this scenario was NORAD’s Northeast Air Defense Sector (NEADS), which also played a key role in the air defense response to the 9/11 attacks, two days later.

Two Days Before 9/11, Military Exercise Simulated Suicide Hijack Targeting New York

For the neads crew, 9/11 was not a story of four hijacked airplanes, but one of a heated chase after more than a dozen potential hijackings—some real, some phantom—that emerged from the turbulence of misinformation that spiked in the first 100 minutes of the attack and continued well into the afternoon and evening. At one point, in the span of a single mad minute, one hears Nasypany struggling to parse reports of four separate hijackings at once. What emerges from the barrage of what Nasypany dubs "bad poop" flying at his troops from all directions is a picture of remarkable composure. Snap decisions more often than not turn out to be the right ones as commanders kick-start the dormant military machine. It is the fog and friction of war live—the authentic military history of 9/11.

9/11 Live: The NORAD Tapes

Here is my question on this.

Do you think the Korean Air Pilots thought this was a War Game and Input "the Code?" The reason they thought it was, because it was planned. Why else would they do such a thing? I think we can show that at least some pilots were involved in this in some way, of course not in the actual plot, but in terms of some-kind of war game.

IF that is the case, then did the Pilots of the other planes not input their codes because that was the way the "game was supposed to be played?"



[edit on 20-7-2009 by talisman]

reply to post by talisman

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The Korean pilots, instead of reassuring controllers, declared themselves hijacked by changing their transponder signal to the four-digit universal code for hijacked, 7500

According to the controllers the Korean pilots were ordered to send the code and they complied.

reply to post by hooper

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But they weren't hijacked.

reply to post by talisman

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"TOUCHING HISTORY" has account of what happened.

books.google.com... tZI&hl=en#v=onepage&q&f=false

Page 277

Was miscommunication between the pilots, probably do to lack of understanding of English

Originally posted by thedman
reply to post by talisman

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"TOUCHING HISTORY" has account of what happened.

books.google.com... tZI&hl=en#v=onepage&q&f=false

Page 277

Was miscommunication between the pilots, probably do to lack of understanding of English

And that is just not believable. Look, I have spent time in South Korea, and have flown Korean Airlines numerous times, and to think that Korean Pilots would not be familiar with the English language is not really that believable. On the flights I have been on the Korean Pilots were using both English and Korean to communicate, and I was flying a lot there in 2001.

reply to post by talisman

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I have never heard of this KoreanAir flight until now. I need to try to check into this further. OP, thank you for the topic. Does anyone have anything to add?

reply to post by talisman

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Is there any news/video footage referring to the Korean hijack on Youtube/Google video? This should be publicised if true.

reply to post by msnoworldorder

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Google book "TOUCHING HISTORY" and Korean Air 85

Will get detailed explanation of the incident

That is of really trying to find "truth" and not simply parroting conspiracy stes....

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