If Henry Makow was born Jewish, but claims to be Christian, does that make him a Marrano? A fool? A genius?

Really folks, lets get serious. The Illuminati are meeting this weekend? Come on. The Illuminati was found in 1776 and disabanded by the Bavarian government in 1789, the Illuminati has never been shown to exist today (outside of some online groups that will gladly take your cash to bring you "into the inner circle." The has never, repeat NEVER been any connection made (or at least any one that sane people would believe) between the Royal Antediluvian Order of the Buffalo, The Freemasons (of which I am one), the Grove (as disgusting as they may be) or any other fraternal Order. BUt that hasnt stopped conspiracy theorists such as people this forum from linking them all. Through in the Bildeberg Group and the Tri-Lateral Commission and youve got yourself a party.

Why dont you folks start reading books or talking to actual members of these groups and seeing what you find? Attend an open meeting of the Freemasons and just for laughs, try to find a meeting of the original Illunimati founded by Adam Weishaupt and see how far you get.

It not we fraternal organizations that need to come out of the dark, its your conspiracy theorists that live in teh shadows behind your mum's furnace and spend your days and nights cooking up this crap.

Get on with it.

I'm not sure about the Illuminati approach to this thread but do find it odd that our world leaders do seem to be part of these secret societies and sure to do some really silly and sometimes weird questionable things that you and I would probably have to go to a court to explain our actions. I still found this thread to be interesting as a story, an opinion and true thought that it would find it's niche here at ATS.

"Over 2000 members -- the political, corporate, cultural and military elite of the world"

I don't know why the deniers or the dismissers say this is not a big deal- It is a big deal because these Moloch worshiping loons have a stake in our lives.

I mean honestly would you want someone who dresses up in dark hooded robes to worship an 45 foot or so stone owl to have a stake in your life? I wouldn't. I mean... A owl, really?

According to some sources it's not the only thing that goes on (the ceremony) and that other crimes are being committed, like underage prostitution that exists to service the disgusting men who attend this 'meeting'.

Granted such crimes may not happen anymore on such a scale, but that's only because of the scrutiny that these groups are coming under these days.

They will say it's just a stage play, but it's not. It's a real religion to these people, as hard as it is to believe so.

It is indeed an Satanic religion, it's not about a devil with horns it's a branch of Satanism that allows these people to 'Do as they wish' and that is murder, war, theft, corruption, lies, because their religion allows them to do such things because their religion is all about the 'I' and not about the 'Them' They can do whatever the hell they want to do to us because their religion allows it.

Originally posted by star in a jar
I don't know why the deniers or the dismissers say this is not a big deal- It is a big deal because these Moloch worshiping loons have a stake in our lives.

Is this supposed to make us feel sympathetic for all the Christ-worshiping loons, who by your estimation must have no power at all?

man this is some sick sh@@.
i still kinda want to be a part and be a somebody..or..i dont know on the other hand theyr bad people..we should hate everything they are

As a child I went to a summer camp up north (USA) that was wonderful. We had sailing, lessons, sports, swimming, dances, theatre, everything. Many elitists attended this camp generation after generation...and when you entered you had to participate in the mythology of the camp. If you achieved certain status you were given a indian (native american ) name. we had a council circle with a fire and you were not allowed to speak while the fire was lit, and could only walk around it a certain direction. We had our own songs and stories.

Through these intimate rituals and traditions great bonds were fused by the attendees. We lived in a utopia state where we trusted each other completely and share our philosophies, ideals and plans willingly. Many of our staff was from Harvard, Yale and other competitive schools.

It was truly an experience of a lifetime and a wonderful beautiful place. I wish now that I am grown up I could go back and spend a couple weeks there again. I sometimes wonder if Alex Jones has it all wrong and maybe the Grove is just a grown up summer camp...with its own mythology and rituals-harmless and fun like children's summer camp- but ritualistic enough to fuse the bonds that make networking so very easy.

Originally posted by Stillalive
man this is some sick sh@@.
i still kinda want to be a part and be a somebody..or..i dont know on the other hand theyr bad people..we should hate everything they are

Love your post...

They all can't be that bad right. I just do not believe it is real satanic worship...i think it is farcical mythology used to give these elite a bonding experience, from which they can network.

No the Bilderbergers.....t6hats a different story...I think they are EVIL!!!!!!!

Has anyone read Them: Adventures with Extremists by Jon Ronson? He was the guy who helped sneak Alex Jones into Bohemian Grove, and he snuck in as well. According to Ronson, it's an immature and silly way that powerful men relax and network with each other. It includes a bunch of grown men prancing around in drag and drinking a lot of booze. The "Cremation of Care" is a theatrical production in which the "cares of this world" are killed.

Like Missing Blue Sky said, it's a summer camp for grown men.

the Illuminati is just a name given to those in charge.
yes we know that there are groups and that the bohemian grove is real.

but as you go further up the ladder, the guest list gets shorter and shorter, there is no way that there would be 2,000 members of the Illuminati, more like 12 members or families.
It isn't those who attend the parties who are in charge, but rather those who throw the parties.

the bohemian grove attendies are just pawns to be manipulated by the next group who in turn get manipulated by the next and then the next.
Ultimately there is a very select group right at the top who own all the money and control all the people in power, that is the Illuminati,