reply to post by Mr. Toodles
Personally I think they (emotions) are resonant frequency vibrations which can emanate acausally outside of the body, but I have no proof of that at
all. Indeed emotions are at the very least a mirror image reflection of thoughts, and all emotions arise from a thought, or an interpretation of some
kind - absent perceived meaning, there's no emotion.
But what I AM saying is that CHOICE
is determinate for consciousness, and that such a choice may be percieved, prior, as a realm of possibility
or a probability wave, and then, when the choice is made, there's an actuality, and a path is then created or actualized through the present moment
(and into the future and future-past?) as an act of co-creation.
Example - hold up a finger and then CHOOSE not to move it, or, to move it, then ask yourself precisely who made the choice and where that who resides
prior to and in the making of the choice to move it, not move it or move it this way and that. Furthermore, consider when making that choice and
taking the action, that the entire universe has been altered by that very degree, and remember, that we really do live in a non-localized universe.
(see Bell's Theorem)
The "I am" who chooses is a self referencial Von Neumann catastrophe (linked earlier in this thread), a self referencial eternal recurrence, which
is actuallized in a participative act of co-creation, but otherwise existing in a realm of infinite possibility via the eternallly unfolding present
moment, functioning in relation not to any past, but to an as yet unborn future realm of infinite possibility.
And how do you know that YOU are an "I am" which is nothing more than a predetermined response mechanism running on some program absent free will -
because you CAN choose, and be aware of the one who chooses. And remember the discussion earlier, in that video about self and qualia HAVING to be
considered linked together in any explanation for consciousness..? It's because qualia cannot be determined by any amount of analysis of a neuronal
or physiological configuration, since it is subjectively experienced, and no one can really and fully 100% communicate it to someone else, since it is
a unique experience to them and them alone.
Some would say that the human being is absolutely nothing BUT a meaning making machine, however complex, and an automatic response mechanism, and that
there is no escaping this, but one is forced to disagree with that if they assign to the observing, consciously aware self, the role of a causal free
will agent of choice, as well as a self referencial observing awareness who cannot pinpoint their own first cause except in terms of free will.
It's not "I think therefore I am", but rather "I choose therefore I am", but here's the thing, are we not first chosen by the creator, as
As someone pointed out earlier, we didn't really create it all, and neither did we create ourselves.
And so the issue, the most fundamental issue, regarding the true nature of the human being IS consciousness, and the materialist monists, they are
therefore forced to deny that free will is real ie: that you're a computer, a machine, a program, and there is no "I am" who can freely choose, but
this is not congruent with the truth and the reality and therefore must be a false paradigm to be discarded.
And at least I'm couragious enough to express myself and try to get these ideas across without trying to take myself too seriously, and sure I'm
putting myself up for ridicule by making these statements, but I don't give a #e what some people may think because I know that it's of value to
And yes, it makes the materialist monist atheists very nervous, any discussion involving conscious choice and quantum entanglement, so they HAVE to
deny it, but the delayed choice experiment does show that choice, born of consciousness, is the determinate factor in the actualization of a
possibility or probability wave, and the group led by Neils Bohr they arrived at the same conclusion, though of course I do not profess to fully
comprehend QM, but the principal involved and the logic and reason are self evident howver "woo woo" they may appear at first glance.
[edit on 22-7-2009 by OmegaPoint]