here where i live in canada the temperature has changed at all in 9 years. lol

Originally posted by selfisolated
Maybe HERE'S a conspiracy for you:

Maybe TPTB know an ice age is coming, but lucky for us some pollution is good to keep the planet warm...

as we all know, for a good few years now we've all been constantly convinced that we're all going to die soon unless we stop global warming. However, global warming is a load of tosh, and really we're allowing the world to start cooling down.. to help them get rid of a damn lot of people who don't have the means to survive the cold.. notice how much the price of fuel's been going up too?

Who knows.

CO2 is NOT pollution, people. Please remember that. TPTB have managed to find a way to tax the air you breathe. That's what this is all about.

Whoa!! I've noticed that the temps here in the desert southwest have been cooler now for two years. Strange feeling to notice the weather change and then see this thread. Yes I would say that here on the ground temps are lower as for the scientists and Washington DC I can't believe a word of what they say about climate change. Good subject

I don't need convincing that the global warming idea advanced is a crock and is designed to implement a new economy based on taxing consumption of energy.

First- In North America we do not pay what it actually costs to produce electricity due to subsidization. Nor do we pay actual costs on natural gas.
The closest we come to fair payment for energy is at the gas pump and look at how upset we all get about that despite the fact that western Europe has been paying considerably more than us for petrol for almost 20 years now and it has reformed their societies as far as transportation goes from the ground up. Small engine technology, electric technology, windmills, other turbine forms, nuclear etc have all been advanced because of the rising price of oil.

But is the globe warming? Yes, it is and it has been doing so for at least 20.000 years! the ice age ended and the glaciers receded. We are on the tail end of that great melt still to this day. Global climate change is ALWAYS happening.

Right now, it is a cooler year though, but the sunlight isn't warm and gold, it is hard and blue most mornings. It's July and I still haven't seen a 30 celisius day! At this point of the year, I am wondering where my heat wave is. I could use it! lol

I've never read so much rubbish in my life!

oops, sorry...double post



[edit on 20-7-2009 by nikiano]

Would you care to elaborate Dr X ... or do you often make blanket statements that actually say nothing one way or the other?

What the Earth is going through right now in respect to "Global Warming" is nothing more than a phase in its NATURAL cycle. I love how the media has caught on to this catch phrase without even looking into the science behind it. All humans are doing is speeding up the natural cycle. Al Gore's movie was full of flawed science.

As for "Ice Age Coming Soon" ...... yeah thats true, but IMO soon would be more like between 200 to 1000 years from now and most likely it will be a gradual shift. Not something where you go to bed and wake up to a glacier knocking on your front door.

Not to mention, all the planets are doing the same thing..... heating up. And they don't have humans polluting them up. Its gets a lot warmer before it gets a lot colder.

I thought it important to make note of the fact that the owner of the site www.iceagenow.com is also an author selling his book by the same title, in addition to one about 2012, magnetic polar shifts, and evolutionary leaps.

That being said, I'm not saying his numbers are incorrect, but he does tend to only show articles supporting his theories.

As a final thought, global warming is a little more involved than just what the thermostat outside reads. I personally believe that the temperatures of the Earth are simply a natural cycle and nothing more. If humans do have an impact, it's negligible at best. I mean, if the Earth goes through periods of warming and cooling every 150,000 years or so -- does it really matter if humans caused it to happen a few (or even 50) years earlier?

If we have a polar shift, which some are predicting, then the result of that would be an ice age for sure -- at least for anyone living in Canada and much of North America.

Keep in mind, the Sahara Desert was once an extremely fertile land in the not-too-distant past. It will return to that state once again. Many say that an ice age is a precursor of that.

It makes logical sense to me anyway. The Earth has been around for more than a few billion years and it certainly didn't need humans to keep it going then, nor does it need us to keep it going in the future.

I suppose I'm the only person not really feeling this...

I live in St. Petersburg, FL and it has been 91-92 degrees here as a high, even at NIGHT!

Not to mention, the humidity, but that's different.. although it sure does add to how hot it feels.

The winters have most definitely seemed shortened in length and not quite as cold as they used to be when I was a kid.

Maybe it's just me.

Global Warming is causing strange weather patterns. We had one of our hottest summers and are currently experiencing one of our coldest winters. The average temprature is still rising though... and thousands of scientists wil tell you so.

The melting ice is a clear indication of warming oceans.

1997 was like this too. damp and cold summer.

I guess for younger people it's a bigger deal because they've only had so many trips around the sun and don't recognize the patterns yet.

For people over 40, they already understand the 12 or so year cycles of hot and cold that we go through globally having born witness to these cycles a few times in their lives.


Kind of like how old people would be able to see the financial cycles as well and now invest in property instead of stocks because those are bound to fail in 20 year cycles as the generation retires and sucks the value out of the previous lot seeing as they are now all cashing in for retirement.

combine that with the natural aspect of greedy bankers and you get recessions and depressions like we have now.

age may not always bring wisdom, but it should certainly bring perspective that is closer to a real view of things. Which could be interpreted as wisdom now and then.

Yes it is going to get very cold. We live on a cold planet that is only warm a small percentage of the time.

Consider that 98% of all species that have ever existed are now extinct because this world is continually destroyed and rebuilt . I have said it before, there will come time when humankind must completely manage the atmosphere or face certain extinction. The AGW crowd should be pushing for the technology to scrub CO2 from the atmosphere instead of cutbacks. At least that would be move in the right direction.

The notion that we should learn to completely manage this world and do away with the natural order is out there, but ponder it just a bit. Is it not the only option we have? We must completely own the means to our survival rather than continue to be dependent upon an doomed ecosystem.

We are in it for the species, and leaving us dependant on a doomed ecosystem is suicide. Earth should be used for the single purpose of supporting human life, and the conservation idiots should be tolerated only as long as it takes to develop the knowledge and technology to ensure our independence from this environment.

A planet wide city should be the goal or our children’s children’s children. Yes I know the resources do not exist for such a venture, and that’s the point. This goal will force humankind to the stars, and we all know that is the only real hope we have to stave off extinction.

The current C02 scare should be met with technology to scrub it from the atmosphere, we would likely get it wrong but it’s a step in the right direction. There will without any doubt come a time when humankind will have to completely manage things like this or die out.

We may like to think we are up above it, but we must adapt or die out!


[edit on 20-7-2009 by Donkey_Dean]

Usually our tempertures are 95-105 and humid but lately it's been about 75-90. It's weird. The media is now saying global climate change, if you want to be politically correct. I just thinks this whole global warming thing is stupid.

I also realised they use Venus and Mars as example of what will happen to Earth. They are going to have to realise we aren't Venus or Mars, or distance will make different things happen.