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Why Does Sex Have to be at ATS too?

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posted on Jul, 24 2009 @ 03:05 PM
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So essentially us folks who enjoy sexual images aren't up to your level of intelligence and setience?

That is sure what it sounds like to me with statements of that manner

-Kyo




posted on Jul, 24 2009 @ 03:53 PM
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I don't mind the odd scantily clad woman in some avatars, a prefer it if it is saying something a little more than it just being an airbrushed beauty, but on the whole I don't notice them...I really like the Terminator one even though it is an advertising gimmick using sex to sell the show...but has anyone else noticed some of the adverts...for role playing games with unnaturally endowed women or for lingerie and weight loss etc etc...my own rather meager chest embellishments find those a little intimidating and unnecessary. I suppose it also raises the point that if the site is selling advertising space to companies that use sexual images that it would be hypocritical for them to tell members that their avatars do the same. Perhaps that is why T&C aren't so stringently applied.



posted on Jul, 24 2009 @ 03:54 PM
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In conversations there is supposed to be a theme present. If we were all sitting in the oval office trying to fix the multitudinous problems of the state economy and one of you jumped up and started singing show tunes, you'd just look like a fool.

Not that show tunes are unappreciated in their proper context when watching a show but they are out of place, distracting and counterproductive to an intelligent brainstorming session.

To show up in a negligee at a funeral is also not on point or in accordance with "the theme".

I'm fairly sure most red-blooded human beings appreciate sex but some of us just value it enough it not cheapen it by immersing every thought, every conversation, every waking moment, and every deed in it.

I have a plaque that reads: There is but one temple in the universe and that is the human body. We touch heaven when we lay hands upon it.

Some of us are far from being prudes; we're just not rutting animals either.

If gold were as common as gravel would it be valued as highly as it is? Human beings are social creatures and forming meaningful relationships is a lifelong endeavor we constantly seek to perfect. Sexual intimacy is "gold" that is not shared with everyone. It's too precious. Only those who share our values are worthy.

From my understanding, the OP was not making a statement so much about avatars as he was about a value system that degrades us all by placing a gold standard into the gravel pit of humanity.



posted on Jul, 24 2009 @ 04:25 PM
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Originally posted by whitewave
From my understanding, the OP was not making a statement so much about avatars as he was about a value system that degrades us all by placing a gold standard into the gravel pit of humanity.


Basically, yes. But as you can see, that has been cast aside in favor of the TA hit squad. They can't seem to understand this simple concept, and instead seek to demonize me as claiming that because I don't appreciate these sexual innuendos particularly here at ATS, that I feel that they are stupid. That's pretty ridiculous. But you get it, and so does orangetom1999.

Most of these new members I don't think have been around long enough at ATS to really understand where I am coming from on this. But what's really irritating is the fact that those avatars still remain, still break the T&C, and nothing is being done- in addition to getting ZERO support from the staff on this. I guess posting the member examples of these avatars, instead of hiding behind the usual "those members will not be named" methods of ranting was a bit too over the top.
But seriously, let's call a spade a spade instead of being so politically correct all the time.



posted on Jul, 24 2009 @ 04:56 PM
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The avatars don't bother me so much but I see where you're coming from. It's like television. Nothing but drivel so I don't watch it anymore.

There are more serious issues with which to be concerned especially on a site such as ATS but it is hard to take the issues seriously when people show up in gorilla suits and singing show tunes.

I think most people will get the point eventually. As the world goes to hell in a handbasket I think that people will see when you put out an advertisement, someone will answer it.

In the meantime, I just educate myself and recognize those with similar values.
They seldom advertise.

Young people are not ignorant. They're just young. When their looks fade it will finally occur to them that there's more to life than being cute, sexy, or "hot". Until then, don't let the bashers get you down. You were willing to stand up for your beliefs against an entire crowd of mockers and that takes courage.



posted on Jul, 24 2009 @ 05:20 PM
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See I like that WW...you didn't like what you saw on TV so you ignored it. That's good of you to take the higher ground. I just got a bit interested because it started sounding like people who like sexual images = stupid

ah well...live and let live eh?

-Kyo



posted on Jul, 24 2009 @ 11:55 PM
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Originally posted by KyoZero
So essentially us folks who enjoy sexual images aren't up to your level of intelligence and sentience?

That is sure what it sounds like to me with statements of that manner

-Kyo


KyoZero,

You normally make some intelligent and thought out posts...but this is not worthy of your gifts.

I for one,am not interested in this type of manipulation or guilt transference....or your insecurities before people who think or value differently than do you. I do not maneuver that easily.

There are people out here who are not interested in the sexual template of which the OP describes and are wont to speak out so. Why would that cause you to try to defend your position with such ham handed strategy. If you want to enjoy such images ..bon appetit.

There are simply those of us out here who do not approve of such methods or thinking and are wont to speak out so. Why would this give offense ..in a difference of opinion?? Can it be that some of us are not as tolerant as we might claim...or advertise?? Can it also be that some of us have the idea implanted in us from somewhere ..that we are sitting on the only one in town?? That we are somehow more entitled..because we are or think ourselves more sexual??
This is also to what I was alluding to the OP in my statement about the avatars are often very misleading.

I like the female form as much as any man..out here. I just like it in the privacy of my home not constantly bombarded by it everywhere I go and especially to get into my wallet.

reply to post by Kilgore Trout
 


KilgoreTrout,


...but has anyone else noticed some of the adverts...for role playing games with unnaturally endowed women or for lingerie and weight loss etc etc...my own rather meager chest embellishments find those a little intimidating and unnecessary.


I feel compelled to tell you that not all of us out here like big breasted women. Some of us find them not interesting at all. Some of us out here also know that it takes much much more than breasts to make and define a woman.
Someone on another site made a comment to me about this woman who passed away some time back..also her son. I think her name was Smith..Anna Smith. Blonde Big breasted. I found her program to be very uninteresting when she was plastered on my television screen and I was quite happy I had a remote controller.
It is the same with this family Kardishan..or whatever this group is. Not interested. If this is entertainment ...alot of people are desperate. THey are not blondes but nonetheless...not interested in this.

It is the same with this place..called Hooters. I have never been there nor am I making plans to go. I dont appreciate this kind of appeal to get me to come off my moneys. My moneys come to hard earned to be made merchandize of in such a manner..by anyone.
As I have stated many times....I like the female form as well as the next man..but some ways it is advertised is just nonsense to me. I dont find it difficult to get women to take off their clothes or advertise their wares.

I once again ..agree with Whitewave concerning the value of a thing or concept and not cheapening it.

THere is a concept or idea in economics that something of value is kept and not marketed all over the place or it will lose its value in the marketplace. It is a concept called economic scarcity raises value.

If you market something all over the place..even to very very young people to get into their pocketbooks or the pocktebooks of their parents...it will begin to lose its value. Eventually the people themselves will lose their value and simply become objects...as people unthinkingly consume each other......thinking this is entirely normal..even warranted....entitled.
You can tell this entitlement by the reaction to the few out here who are want to think from a different view on this topic.

Nonetheless..I encourage you to not be intimated by these so called endowments of these advertisements. They are very overrated.

My thanks to all for their posts.
Orangetom



[edit on 25-7-2009 by orangetom1999]



posted on Jul, 25 2009 @ 12:36 AM
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To give you a short answer..

The powers that be will stop at nothing to shatter your lower Chakra!
SEX is pushed and proded in every place in everyway!!

Its just another way that they can mess up the balance in that one Chakra!

As ATS/BTS is not immune from the forms of control that are honestly taking our souls, and making us into mindless fluff for the evils that rule this world to have it way with..

Its an inner and personal battle.. And its one that is not easy..
Sometimes you just have to phase it out..

Its not going away.. ITs part of the test!

Hope that helps in a small way..

As the powers that be attack all our chakras on many different levels..
Look at all the fast food that is pumped out of this country..
That is affecting another chakra all together..

One by one.. they slowly take away the balance.. And tear us away from our inner self.



posted on Jul, 25 2009 @ 02:52 AM
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Originally posted by orangetom1999
KilgoreTrout,

I feel compelled to tell you that not all of us out here like big breasted women. Some of us find them not interesting at all. Some of us out here also know that it takes much much more than breasts to make and define a woman.


I agree with you and appreciate your taking the time to reassure me, but whether or not a preference exists, 'they' can still be distracting, I am pretty much heterosexual but my eyes are still drawn to large breasts. I have a reasonably good body image and am perfectly happy with my proportions, and having breastfed my son for 14 months am assured that size is no hinderance to the fulfillment of biological purpose. But, when I was breastfeeding, they were huge, and as a result I found that for that period most people spoke to my breasts and not me, some were worse than others, I almost felt as though I ceased to have a head at times. So I have experienced both sides of the equation, though I think the 'freak factor' is often at play and I clearly do not have the frame to support vast mammarial proportions, so they perhaps stood out a little more than usual, if you'll excuse the pun.

To return a little closer to topic, I wouldn't use an overtly 'sexy' image because I know how distracting appearance can be, and here, unlike my experience in the physical world I want to be judged on my mind not my body. I find it liberating, but then I can see the advantage of the bhurka and have often wished for one. I love being a woman and feminine, but that is not the sum of all my parts, and it can, due to the perception of others, have limitations. Most of the sexy images on ATS I have found are used by male members admittedly, and my main objection is that they are not real, they are airbrushed and computer enhanced. It gives both men and young women unrealistic expectations of beauty which is why I consider them inappropriate to the 'deny Ignorance' mission statement. But as i said, when the advertising revenues that support the site are essentially contravening those ideals why should the members adhere to those guidelines either?



posted on Jul, 25 2009 @ 08:45 AM
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First off, I am not sure what was so unintelligent about it. I saw a set of statements and I commented on it. I apologize if the quote didn't stack up to my typical standard. I really don't think I owe anyone to stay so 'smart' every moment of my life. An intelligent comment can occur with a simple or silly theme.

Second, I don't have a 'gift.' Just like everyone else I am very smart and learned in some areas and dumb as hell in others. (seriously...try and get me to understand what the heck Poe is talking about...wooo!) Point is I am no better than anyone else here simply because I typically use a more elegant tone.

Third, the fact still does remain that I saw a comment and it sounded very much like the insinuation was that us folks who enjoy porn or aren't bothered by the avatars aren't quite worthy of the level of those who are our opposite. All I am getting at is that is seems a tough strange to me that inteeligent people can be detracted by a sexy picture. Do I think the Terminator avatar is sexy? Yeah I do. Do I notice when I post? Heck yes. Does it detract any intelligent conversations or thoughts I might have? Not a chance.

-Kyo



posted on Jul, 26 2009 @ 04:48 AM
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I tend to find posters with sexual orientated images as avatars, usually the more laid back posters. And as far as I'm concerned, I'd rather have these, over some dark, fear inducing, narcissistic, avatar that is so prevalent. Besides, it's a break from these dark avatars, and something that you can stop and say, "damn..." at. I guess you could say it breaks the tension.

I think we need more - they're better than dark avatars, and they're furthermore better than the retarded ones that make no sense - browse through an average thread, and look at the avatars. Most are dark, evil, others are plain retarded and unintelligable.

I LIKE SEX, IT"S NAICE. HIGH FAIVE.

[edit on 26/7/2009 by C0bzz]



posted on Jul, 28 2009 @ 09:22 AM
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And as far as I'm concerned, I'd rather have these, over some dark, fear inducing, narcissistic, avatar that is so prevalent.


CObzz,

You bring up an excellent point here but one which needs further dissection or closer examination of its component parts.

For many people ...the key is what kind of power or recognition do they desire. The path to recognition or attention.

For many it is a form of overt or even covert sexuality. For others it is a overt or covert dark side...hence the fear inducing, narcissistic type avatars. They all come from the same source..there is little difference in that they both reflect a desire for attention and or recognition..through a form of baseness...towads ones self and others. Attention/recognition=power/increased self worth....even if one needs debase themselves and others to get it.

Anyone knowing any history of ancient nations heavily involved in Overt sexuality through thieir religions and governments knows that runaway rampant sexuality leads to a very dark side of a people in thier conduct. This can easily be found by a careful reading of history.

Nonetheless these two images are not seperate or disconnected...but from the same source...a desire for power or recognition.....ie....attentiion. And in my mind it hints at a type of insecurity within ones self....to be covered by these avatars or images.


Thanks,
Orangetom



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posted on Jul, 28 2009 @ 05:41 PM
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well as a man im a man enough to say i get easily distracted,when i see a girl with a sexy pic of herself as a avatar im a little more prone of relating to her opinion,out of cuteness.
we can agree both sexes are like that, both can be distracted and influenced but thats not
the case. so listen to me!
ATS is a place about inteligent discusion.
and i cant stand MEAN, EGO girls with some sexy pic/avatar of her going around
posting usualy sexyst or unright things,and getting support even from men,just couse
shes the "Sexy queen" of ats we all find cute.
dont worry,my problems dosnt have anything to do with it,as far as i know having
photos of urself with no more then 30% porno-feel is allright.the rules are good
as they are,and the metal woman is allright.

im with zysin5 on this, theres lots of people that have sexual problemce,lack of sex,
complexes...do they really have to see ur sex here?
lets keep sex as low as possible here on ats.

[edit on 28-7-2009 by Stillalive]



posted on Jul, 29 2009 @ 02:39 PM
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Originally posted by orangetom1999
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And in my mind it hints at a type of insecurity within ones self....to be covered by these avatars or images.


Thanks,
Orangetom



[edit on 28-7-2009 by orangetom1999]


yeah...or perhaps someone says...ooh sexy....posts it and had absolutely no need or desire for attention. I think some may have an insecurity issue and some probably have no insecurity at all

If I am not mistaken though...OP can get firefox with block and block specific images

-Kyo



posted on Jul, 31 2009 @ 11:21 PM
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TA thank you for this thread. I am in total agreement.

When I'm discussing the end of the world or nuclear war I do not care to see some bimbo who feels the need for a sexy avatar.

Maybe I'm silly but I imagine many of the members with inappropriate avatars are nothing like what they depict. I imagine them to be less than desirable.

I will admit BTS could be a place for such avatars but not ATS.

How can people take us seriously when we have sexually suggestive avatars?

I enjoy the human body very much and am no prude. I even like being nude in my home. But ATS is not the place for sexual innuendo.



posted on Aug, 1 2009 @ 06:10 PM
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Thanks dizz!

That brings the number to 3 who understand where I am coming from on this and seemingly agree for the most part that the trite innuendos to sexuality through avatars are out of place and disrespectful here. Just because people have a right to free speech and to display what they want for the most part in avatars does not necessarily mean that a choice on avatars like that here is a proper one.

I have the right of free speech too. I can go scream "fire!" in a theater if I want but I will be arrested. Or I could go yell "Fags!" at a bunch of gay protesters who will promptly proceed to kick the crap out of me.

In essence, we all have the right to JUDICIOUS free speech. It means think before you speak and think before you post an avatar where you are posting it. On a sex board, great! On ATS,



posted on Aug, 1 2009 @ 07:21 PM
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TrueAmerican,

I need to caution you here on one thing TrueAmerican. People do indeed have the right to free speech.

I have no problem with people who want to express themselves in this manner through sex and sexuality. I merely dont want it foisted off on me daily or everywhere I go. It gets tiring and even boring to me.

I consider it to be somewhat stupid in the larger view of things and I do enjoy the female form immensely. I just dont like it dispalyed to such a degree everywhere I go and especially to get me to come off my hard earned moneys. I find that stupid and insulting....that they would think me that stupid...as to find it pleasurable or satisfying to roll in the mud with such.

There is no law I know of ...against being stupid/made merchandize of. No morality as well. We are prefectly allowed as Americans to be stupid....as long as we dont injure someone else in our stupidity.

This thing of which you protest ..has merit. However ...in greater view of the methods and history of this world..this is what you should expect to see...nothing better. This is what this world does and considers greatness...even excellence...to take off ones clothes and display ones wares. Nothing new here. This template of which you protest is very ancient. Not new.

All I do when I detect this kind of thing is being done..especially to make merchandize of me...is put a mark on them. Do you understand this concept TrueAmerican....mark them?? And avoid them.
The mark you put on them is to know who and when to avoid...seperate from them.

Come out from amongst them and be ye seperate. You do not mix in with the "wildlife" of this world or that which offends you. That is how you conduct your buisness and dont let anyone tell you differently.

Intelligent, educated people of today are trying to do exactly the same to you if you dont go along or make a different opinion...put a mark on you. You dont stand for this. This is your right to..to not go along.
Otherwise they will privily try to substitute your belief system with thiers.

Nonetheless...neither you or me ...regulate and control this kind of wildlife..it is not a new thing. It is very ancient in its pedigree.
As I said and stated ..there is not law against being stupid..if you consider this to be stupid...seperate from it ..put a mark on it for identification...and seperate.....come out from amongst them and be ye seperate.

It is that simple...not a thing over which you need suffer angst. Keep it simple.
The world is full of wildlife...dont get excited over it.
What is rare in this world..is people who know what this kind of wildlife actually is. And this too is not new. These people have always been a minoirty..and always will be.

Thanks,
Orangetom


[edit on 1-8-2009 by orangetom1999]



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 09:43 PM
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But again OP and orange...you don't have to look. Clearly the staff here doesn't find those examples to be so wrong so they leave them up

If you pick up Firefox you can block out any image you don't like but why censor the rest? There are some images here that I don't like...frankly I just don't pay any attention to them...that's just me though

I recommend blocking

-Kyo



posted on Aug, 2 2009 @ 11:24 PM
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If you have that big of a problem with getting turned on by avatars, perhaps you should spend less time on ATS and more time seeking mental health treatment.

Normal functioning adults should have no problem containing themselves.



posted on Aug, 3 2009 @ 12:18 AM
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Originally posted by TrueAmerican
in addition to getting ZERO support from the staff on this. I guess posting the member examples of these avatars, instead of hiding behind the usual "those members will not be named" methods of ranting was a bit too over the top.
But seriously, let's call a spade a spade instead of being so politically correct all the time.


Zero support from the staff. What does that tell you?

It says you are just flat out wrong.

Stop being so uptight, be a mature adult, and if you dont like an avatar, dont post in the thread.

Pretty simple.



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