Great job with this. Not much to say with all that info provided. Thanks.
All About the Solar Eclipse July 22nd – The Science / Track / Effects / Myths / Current Conspiracy, page 2
reply posted on 19-7-2009 @ 10:32 PM by adrenochrome
reply to post by Discotech
well that i understand...
i guess instead of "shadow", i should have said "silhouette", which is what i meant...
...but consider how far the moon and the sun are apart from each other, and what i'm trying to say is, is what are the odds that the moon and its size are just the right size to block out the sun - not too close to completely cover it, and not too far to just be a smaller black circular silhouette cruising through the sunlight...
it's like putting your hand in front of your face to just barely cover the sun, and if it's too close to you it blocks more than the sun, and if it's too far from you it doesn't cover the sunlight enough...
...it's like, the perfect distance away from us and the sun to practically make a match for size in relative comparison
...make sense?
reply to post by epete22
that's what i'm getting at...
i question that subject more and more...
also, i didn't even bring up the whole other can of worms where we only see one side of the moon, as it practically matches our planet's rotation.......
[edit on 19-7-2009 by adrenochrome]
well that i understand...
i guess instead of "shadow", i should have said "silhouette", which is what i meant...
...but consider how far the moon and the sun are apart from each other, and what i'm trying to say is, is what are the odds that the moon and its size are just the right size to block out the sun - not too close to completely cover it, and not too far to just be a smaller black circular silhouette cruising through the sunlight...
it's like putting your hand in front of your face to just barely cover the sun, and if it's too close to you it blocks more than the sun, and if it's too far from you it doesn't cover the sunlight enough...
...it's like, the perfect distance away from us and the sun to practically make a match for size in relative comparison
...make sense?
reply to post by epete22
that's what i'm getting at...
i question that subject more and more...
also, i didn't even bring up the whole other can of worms where we only see one side of the moon, as it practically matches our planet's rotation.......
[edit on 19-7-2009 by adrenochrome]
reply posted on 19-7-2009 @ 10:50 PM by Phage
reply to post by weedwhacker
When talking about tides it is important to note that they are not produced so much by the force of gravity but by the gravity gradient. What produces tidal effects is the fact that the force of the moon's gravity on one side of the Earth is greater than the force of its gravity on the opposite side of the earth. This is why high tides occur on opposite sides of the Earth at the same time. The water on the moon side is being pulled more strongly than the earth is being pulled. At the same time, the earth is being pulled more strongly than the water on the side away from the moon. Because the moon is much closer to Earth than the sun and gravity obeys the inverse square law, its gravity gradient is much greater than that of the sun. The information in the OP about tides and the effects of an eclipse are nonsense, talking about the moon shielding the sun's gravity and a bunch of equally silly stuff. There is no such thing as the shielding of gravity.
While the sun does affect tides the moon, being much closer, affects the tides a great deal more. But the effects of the sun on the tides can be seen every full and new moon. Because the tidal forces of the sun and moon are aligned at this time the slight effects produced by the sun are added to those of the moon. But the eclipse adds nothing to the effect.
Here is the path of the eclipse over the Marshall Islands.
Here is the tide prediction for Jaluit Atoll.
Jaluit
Jaluit's time zone is UTC+12 so the local time of the eclipse will be at 3:48PM. At the time of the eclipse the tide level will be 3.4 feet. At high tide, which occurs two hours later, the level will be 4 feet. A quick glance shows that there is nothing extreme about this level.
Now let's look at another new moon at Jaluit. In three months, the new moon occurs on October 18th. On that day the high tide will be 4.8 feet. Much higher than the day of the eclipse. The eclipse has no effect.
Some may claim that the tide predictions are wrong. They are not. It is very important to mariners that they are correct. Their accuracy has been validated over many many years, eclipses or no.
Be assured that solar eclipses have no effect on the tides.
[edit on 7/19/2009 by Phage]
When talking about tides it is important to note that they are not produced so much by the force of gravity but by the gravity gradient. What produces tidal effects is the fact that the force of the moon's gravity on one side of the Earth is greater than the force of its gravity on the opposite side of the earth. This is why high tides occur on opposite sides of the Earth at the same time. The water on the moon side is being pulled more strongly than the earth is being pulled. At the same time, the earth is being pulled more strongly than the water on the side away from the moon. Because the moon is much closer to Earth than the sun and gravity obeys the inverse square law, its gravity gradient is much greater than that of the sun. The information in the OP about tides and the effects of an eclipse are nonsense, talking about the moon shielding the sun's gravity and a bunch of equally silly stuff. There is no such thing as the shielding of gravity.
While the sun does affect tides the moon, being much closer, affects the tides a great deal more. But the effects of the sun on the tides can be seen every full and new moon. Because the tidal forces of the sun and moon are aligned at this time the slight effects produced by the sun are added to those of the moon. But the eclipse adds nothing to the effect.
Here is the path of the eclipse over the Marshall Islands.
Here is the tide prediction for Jaluit Atoll.
Jaluit
Jaluit's time zone is UTC+12 so the local time of the eclipse will be at 3:48PM. At the time of the eclipse the tide level will be 3.4 feet. At high tide, which occurs two hours later, the level will be 4 feet. A quick glance shows that there is nothing extreme about this level.
Now let's look at another new moon at Jaluit. In three months, the new moon occurs on October 18th. On that day the high tide will be 4.8 feet. Much higher than the day of the eclipse. The eclipse has no effect.
Some may claim that the tide predictions are wrong. They are not. It is very important to mariners that they are correct. Their accuracy has been validated over many many years, eclipses or no.
Be assured that solar eclipses have no effect on the tides.
[edit on 7/19/2009 by Phage]
reply posted on 19-7-2009 @ 11:09 PM by questioningall
reply to post by Phage
The information you mentioned - is from a university - it is very detailed - you should look at the link - you will find many physic equations there.
I also provided one link to various information - but I found the SAME information over and over again. But I put in the OP the most "authoritative" link.
Question - have you ever agreed with any Experts with links provided in the OP on their conclusions on a certain subject?
The information you mentioned - is from a university - it is very detailed - you should look at the link - you will find many physic equations there.
I also provided one link to various information - but I found the SAME information over and over again. But I put in the OP the most "authoritative" link.
Question - have you ever agreed with any Experts with links provided in the OP on their conclusions on a certain subject?
reply posted on 20-7-2009 @ 12:12 AM by Phage
reply to post by questioningall
I don't automatically accept or reject anything from anybody (without good reason) but I admit that on first glance I misinterpreted what the paper is about. I should have paid more attention and gone to the source. Please accept my apology. My excuse is I was hungry and in a hurry.
Flandern and Yang are actually backing up what I said, that gravitational shielding is bunk. The fact that eclipses cause short term meteorological effects is well known. But they are not caused by a change in gravity. The paper says the opposite, it is the movement of the air mass that causes extremely minor changes (a few parts per billion) in the Earth's gravitational force. It also says that the larger effects seen by other experimenters were due to poorly designed experiments.
www.eclipse2006.boun.edu.tr...
And eclipses do not affect tides, in the Earth or on the sea.
[edit on 7/20/2009 by Phage]
I don't automatically accept or reject anything from anybody (without good reason) but I admit that on first glance I misinterpreted what the paper is about. I should have paid more attention and gone to the source. Please accept my apology. My excuse is I was hungry and in a hurry.
Flandern and Yang are actually backing up what I said, that gravitational shielding is bunk. The fact that eclipses cause short term meteorological effects is well known. But they are not caused by a change in gravity. The paper says the opposite, it is the movement of the air mass that causes extremely minor changes (a few parts per billion) in the Earth's gravitational force. It also says that the larger effects seen by other experimenters were due to poorly designed experiments.
So experiments that were shielded only from temperature changes but not pressure changes may have experienced an extra and unexpected driving force from local air movement perhaps responsible for these changes, whereas other experiments with better controls would not have experienced them. This is also consistent with the pendulum effect showing up most often in the early experiments, but having no unambiguous detections within the past 30 years when consciousness of the importance of controls was more widespread.
www.eclipse2006.boun.edu.tr...
And eclipses do not affect tides, in the Earth or on the sea.
[edit on 7/20/2009 by Phage]
reply posted on 20-7-2009 @ 12:37 AM by thefreepatriot
reply to post by weedwhacker
Gravity acts as a wave\particle\field and acts very similar to light however light can easily be blocked off by physical matter no matter the density... gravity does not....when a solar eclipse does happen the areas where the light is being blocked will have a much more powerfull gravitational pull from the sun and moon as they are both perfectly aligned........... this explains the allais effect... many scientist are puzzled as the effect should be the opposite as they believe the moon should shield some of the suns gravitational pull.... This is extremely false as gravity waves are dispersed throuout space\time and is only directly affected by other gravitational fields...especially with a small object with very little gravitational distortion in comparison to the suns gravitational field....... so the gravity waves from the sun easily penetrate the moon.(unlike the light) and hit the earth with the same gravitational pull as usual... Then you have a perfect alignment with the moon and you will really have an increase in gravitational pull creating the gravitational anomalies.... The allais effect is well documented and is REAL SCIENCE...the only thing is scientist using conventional thinking cannot understand this effect as it should be doing the opposite(thinking the moon will shield the suns gravitational effect like light) unless the object is very dense and has a very strong gravitational field, gravity from other objects will easily flow right thru it. best way to describe this will be if you take a bowling ball and throw it in a lake... you will have a very nice set of waves going out.... and if at the same time you throw a little marble........ the waves from the bowling ball will easilly overtake the marbles wave and continue to shore almost as if the marble was never there...
Gravity acts as a wave\particle\field and acts very similar to light however light can easily be blocked off by physical matter no matter the density... gravity does not....when a solar eclipse does happen the areas where the light is being blocked will have a much more powerfull gravitational pull from the sun and moon as they are both perfectly aligned........... this explains the allais effect... many scientist are puzzled as the effect should be the opposite as they believe the moon should shield some of the suns gravitational pull.... This is extremely false as gravity waves are dispersed throuout space\time and is only directly affected by other gravitational fields...especially with a small object with very little gravitational distortion in comparison to the suns gravitational field....... so the gravity waves from the sun easily penetrate the moon.(unlike the light) and hit the earth with the same gravitational pull as usual... Then you have a perfect alignment with the moon and you will really have an increase in gravitational pull creating the gravitational anomalies.... The allais effect is well documented and is REAL SCIENCE...the only thing is scientist using conventional thinking cannot understand this effect as it should be doing the opposite(thinking the moon will shield the suns gravitational effect like light) unless the object is very dense and has a very strong gravitational field, gravity from other objects will easily flow right thru it. best way to describe this will be if you take a bowling ball and throw it in a lake... you will have a very nice set of waves going out.... and if at the same time you throw a little marble........ the waves from the bowling ball will easilly overtake the marbles wave and continue to shore almost as if the marble was never there...
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