It's then, also a coincidence that Rumsfeld announced that the Pentagon could not account for $2.3 trillion in spending,
on September 10th. Luckily for him, the next day a problem would occur, which would enable
trillions more in wasted spending.
I suppose it must also be a coincidence, that WTC 7, which was never hit with a plane and had sustained only superficial damage to one part of its
facade, with small isolated fires burning, collapsed at near freefall speed mirroring the exact look, and movement of any controlled demolition.
Is it just a coincidence, that on the one time that America is actually attacked, that it is the one time Norad fails to scramble any jets towards the
threat. Wait, make that, fails four times to scramble jets to neutralize a threat. All on one
amazing day.
Is it just a coincidence, with so much debate about what happened at the Pentagon, that they have still never released anything more than 6 frames of
footage? Especially when, not even those 6 frames even show anything conclusively. Perhaps an innocent Government, which had actually been attacked,
would show every single tape, from every single angle of that plane hitting that building. So why do we only have 6 inconclusive frames?
Is it just a coincidence that scientists have found Military Grade Thermitic
Materials in all dust samples studied from the debris?
Is it just a coincidence, that Marvin Bush was a principal in a company called
Securacom which handled security of the WTC? At the exact time, someone was able to smuggle in and plant an estimated 10-100 tons of
thermite? Obviously just a coincidence.
It's also just a coincidence, that for the first time in history, with the country under direct attack the preisdent sat still, in a location that
had been publicly announced. He was never carried off by the secret service to somewhere “safe”. Perhaps he figured, he was safe.
It's also just a coincidence that pools of molten metal were found under the WTC
rubble upto 6 weeks after the attacks. This is obviously something fire alone cannot accomplish, and it's additionally coincidental since it's
been scientifically proven that thermite was used that day.
It's also interesting that they spent $65 million investigating Clintons Sex scandal, and only $3 million was designated to investigate the most
devastating attack on American Soil ever.
Why did the government feel the need to lie about practically every aspect of that day, continually, when they should have wanted to know for
themselves exactly what happened. Perhaps, it's all just a coincidence that they did not care.
Thus....?
The government has lied. Their story does not add up. And thus they must be guilty. There are elements of that day which will likely never be
uncovered, as well as theories that will never be proven. But what is clearly evident is that we have been sold a joke, and because of that joke our
entire life and our destiny has changed.
Our perception as a planet shifted that day, and layers of ignorance were imposed. As I mentioned, it is this intentionally imposed ignorance that has
allowed our world to decay to it's current state. Sweeping police state measures added, absolutely unconstitutional laws passed, trillions of wasted
spending, millions of innocent people dead, thousands of soldiers dead, thousands of soldiers taking their own life, thousands of first responders to
the attacks are DEAD or dying.
We had our perception and future altered that day, those people had their perception and future ENDED. All because of a monstrous myth, that logic and
scientific reasoning has quickly debunked. If you believe any one of those “coincidences” may, NOT have been a coincidence, that means you do NOT
believe the official story. If this were an unexpected tragedy that were a genuine attack on the country, do you honestly believe there would exist so
many astronomical coincidences? It's like winning the lottery 100 times consecutively it just doesn't happen – by chance.
It's time to quit letting people everywhere perpetuate the official story MYTH. Because the fact that people believe it shows that they are
intentionally ignorant to the situation, and their reaction to events and perception of reality is crippled at best, and damaging to themselves, their
family and their country at worst.
So lets end this divide in the movement, and begin to vigorously out those who want to be intentionally ignorant of the facts of a day which has
forever changed the lives of everyone on this planet, and has ended the lives of millions permanently.
[edit on 19-7-2009 by king9072]
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Topic started on 19-7-2009 @ 02:37 AM by king9072
*Important* Please read and understand everything I write before writing a response, too many times in the past I end up repeating myself
several times in my thread. If you need to, please read the thread several times before posting comments or questions. Thanks. *Important*
An Important Distinction
Too often, as our society always does, we begin to divide ourselves against each other. Though we often share the same goals, we continually let ourselves be divided and conquered. And this is evident within the 911 movement. The truth movement is continually divided so that it can easily be conquered through ridicule and false science. Fellow members of the movement will argue endlessly about points that will likely never be proven either way, all while they let the goal of exposure slip away.
Always remember, there is only two sides here, you are one or the other.
You are either a person who does not believe the Official story, or you are a person that does believe the official story. That is the ONLY thing that matters. It doesn't matter if you believe there was no planes, or that I believe that there was planes, if we both agree that the official story is nonsensical. Through this division we are conquered, and we need to end that here, because we all have a common goal. When responding to this thread, I want you to begin by making this distinction prior to any comments. Either “I believe the official story (insert comment)” or, “I do not believe the official story (insert comment)”
Another... Important Distinction
Many people seem to think that it is on the truth movement, to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Government was involved. This is FALSE. It is NOT on us to prove that, and it is definitely not possible for us to prove that entirely. Through this false mind set, we limit ourselves from ever making any true headway. Our only goal is to prove that it did not happen the way they said it did, and through that fact we can understand that they must have done it, because only the guilty must lie in explanation.
Short Anecdote:
A young boy walks out of a store, the owner quickly catches up and feels the young man may have stolen some items. He asks the boy “do you mind emptying your pockets?”. If the boy has not stolen anything, he would quickly empty his pockets confirming his innocence. But, if the boy has stolen something, he will do whatever he possibly can to avoid a search.
So why the anecdote? Because it illustrates exactly what we DO need to prove in this movement. We don't need to know what the boy stole, or why the boy stole, we don't even need to prove how he stole. We just need to listen to him do everything possible to avoid that search, because even if you don't know or cant prove all the variables, we still know based on his unwillingness to allow a search, and the fact that he is lying, prove his guilt.
In essence, I can't prove 100% why the government conducted 911, though I have some ideas. Or exactly how, everything was accomplished, though I have some ideas. But what can be proven is that their story does not add up, and because of that I know they are guilty, because if they were innocent their story would add up and they would have done everything in their power to divulge every piece of information. It's the unknown, and currently – unprovable, variables that are derailing this movement.
It's why we still have people on this forum, who believe in a completely illogical and outright blasphemous version of events that day. And with that view, they base their life, making decisions, building their perception, and influencing the way they act and interpret new information. It is dangerous. Because it's through this ignorant perception, that people allow illogical and threatening laws to be passed, wars to be launched, people to be murdered, and countries destroyed.
We must use undisputed facts, inconsistencies in the official version, and highlight the astronomical coincidences to make our point.
Why 911?
911 was a classic Problem, Reaction, Solution event. To help illustrate this point, even before the Problem (911) was created, the Solution, had already been formulated. Like the fact that "Game plan to remove al-Qaeda from the face of the Earth" is on Bush's desk September 9th, 2001.
This game plan includes invasion plans for Afghanistan. Which “coincidentally” would be the first illegal war launched based solely on the fact that the Problem (911) was created. The reaction to the problem, always allows the solution – no matter how ludicrous it may seem.
It's time for people to understand that there are no coincidences in the grand scheme of this world. Failing to understand that fact seriously limits your ability to evaluate the current state of your reality. You are limiting your perception. Especially since, these coincidences are absolutely astronomical.
A brief moment for another astronomical event. If you think it is a coincidence that the English secret service, with a company of 1000+ officers, were conducting a terror drill based on a scenario in which the exact same targets, would be attacked at the exact same stations, at the exact same time, you are absolutely oblivious to reality. That is an astronomical coincidence. Through this Problem, they created a Reaction from the people, and implemented their Solution of expanded police state, and war on terrorism. In the process, removing rights, destroying lives, and misleading the public.
Another Problem, Reaction, Solution (PRS), event was Swine Flu. I spoke out against it immediately, and stood fast while hysteria gripped this forum and our society. What you were witnessing was the Reaction, to a Problem that the Media had created so that the powers could implement a solution.
We wont know exactly how devastating the vaccines are until 100's of millions have taken them, that will be this winter. But, we can already see that the WHO has been granted sweeping powers, through the use of a media hyped “Pandemic Level”, and vaccine manufacturers have already been given Legal Immunity. So that when people start showing up maimed, sick, dying or dead. They have no legal recourse against toxic vaccines.
“This is a 911 topic, why talk about swine flu?”
Because it highlights the exact same scam that was used with 911. The solution, is always worse than the original problem. But since their solution has been allowed due to peoples reaction, to a completely fabricated problem, it is acceptable. Where as, prior to the problem, people would have never accepted the solution.
Amazing Coincidences...
Is it a coincidence that the “Pentagon Attack” happened to hit the only section designed to take such a hit?
Is it a coincidence that the hijacker, was so nice to go out of his way to attack that portion, rather than any other portion? Going so far as to execute almost an entire downward circle, to avoid all pentagon brass stationed directly on the opposite side of the building. Just a coincidence?
Is it a coincidence that 3 steel structured towers collapsed into themselves on 911, yet it has never happened before or since? How does a fire, a jet, a bomb, or anything which compromises less than 10% of a steel structure, some how cause a unilateral, complete systematic failure?
Is it a coincidence that some how, for the first time in history that day, we had almost two entire planes vaporize? Such as in Shanksville or at the Pentagon. It must be merely a coincidence, that these two planes practically disappeared. And in the Pentagon attack, it is simply a coincidence that the wings did no damage to the exterior of the building, nor did the engines, before they were 'sucked' into the building and vaporized. Riiiight.
Is it a coincidence or simply amazing luck, that Silverstein purchased the WTC complex 6 weeks prior to 911
It is especially convenient, since purchasing the WTC's were theoretically the worst business move in history. The towers were a black hole, that were only a burden. It was losing money hand over fist, and the cost of needed renovations were staggering. It would be cheaper to rebuild the towers, than to go through purchasing them.
It's just a coincidence, that he profited to the tune of 4.5 billion dollars on a six week investment which cost him 14 million out of pocket.
Thus, it must also be coincidence, that he happened to miss a very important meeting in the World Trade Center that day due to his wife “demanding” he see his dermatologist.
CONTINUED NEXT POST.
[edit on 19-7-2009 by king9072]
An Important Distinction
Too often, as our society always does, we begin to divide ourselves against each other. Though we often share the same goals, we continually let ourselves be divided and conquered. And this is evident within the 911 movement. The truth movement is continually divided so that it can easily be conquered through ridicule and false science. Fellow members of the movement will argue endlessly about points that will likely never be proven either way, all while they let the goal of exposure slip away.
Always remember, there is only two sides here, you are one or the other.
You are either a person who does not believe the Official story, or you are a person that does believe the official story. That is the ONLY thing that matters. It doesn't matter if you believe there was no planes, or that I believe that there was planes, if we both agree that the official story is nonsensical. Through this division we are conquered, and we need to end that here, because we all have a common goal. When responding to this thread, I want you to begin by making this distinction prior to any comments. Either “I believe the official story (insert comment)” or, “I do not believe the official story (insert comment)”
Another... Important Distinction
Many people seem to think that it is on the truth movement, to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Government was involved. This is FALSE. It is NOT on us to prove that, and it is definitely not possible for us to prove that entirely. Through this false mind set, we limit ourselves from ever making any true headway. Our only goal is to prove that it did not happen the way they said it did, and through that fact we can understand that they must have done it, because only the guilty must lie in explanation.
Short Anecdote:
A young boy walks out of a store, the owner quickly catches up and feels the young man may have stolen some items. He asks the boy “do you mind emptying your pockets?”. If the boy has not stolen anything, he would quickly empty his pockets confirming his innocence. But, if the boy has stolen something, he will do whatever he possibly can to avoid a search.
So why the anecdote? Because it illustrates exactly what we DO need to prove in this movement. We don't need to know what the boy stole, or why the boy stole, we don't even need to prove how he stole. We just need to listen to him do everything possible to avoid that search, because even if you don't know or cant prove all the variables, we still know based on his unwillingness to allow a search, and the fact that he is lying, prove his guilt.
In essence, I can't prove 100% why the government conducted 911, though I have some ideas. Or exactly how, everything was accomplished, though I have some ideas. But what can be proven is that their story does not add up, and because of that I know they are guilty, because if they were innocent their story would add up and they would have done everything in their power to divulge every piece of information. It's the unknown, and currently – unprovable, variables that are derailing this movement.
It's why we still have people on this forum, who believe in a completely illogical and outright blasphemous version of events that day. And with that view, they base their life, making decisions, building their perception, and influencing the way they act and interpret new information. It is dangerous. Because it's through this ignorant perception, that people allow illogical and threatening laws to be passed, wars to be launched, people to be murdered, and countries destroyed.
We must use undisputed facts, inconsistencies in the official version, and highlight the astronomical coincidences to make our point.
Why 911?
911 was a classic Problem, Reaction, Solution event. To help illustrate this point, even before the Problem (911) was created, the Solution, had already been formulated. Like the fact that "Game plan to remove al-Qaeda from the face of the Earth" is on Bush's desk September 9th, 2001.
This game plan includes invasion plans for Afghanistan. Which “coincidentally” would be the first illegal war launched based solely on the fact that the Problem (911) was created. The reaction to the problem, always allows the solution – no matter how ludicrous it may seem.
You show me one reporter, one commentator, one member of Congress who thought we should invade Afghanistan before September 11 and I'll buy you dinner in the best restaurant in New York City."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton's National Security Adviser
To be truthful about it, there was no way we could have got the public consent to have suddenly launched a campaign on Afghanistan but for what happened on September 11.
- Prime Minister Tony Blair
It's time for people to understand that there are no coincidences in the grand scheme of this world. Failing to understand that fact seriously limits your ability to evaluate the current state of your reality. You are limiting your perception. Especially since, these coincidences are absolutely astronomical.
A brief moment for another astronomical event. If you think it is a coincidence that the English secret service, with a company of 1000+ officers, were conducting a terror drill based on a scenario in which the exact same targets, would be attacked at the exact same stations, at the exact same time, you are absolutely oblivious to reality. That is an astronomical coincidence. Through this Problem, they created a Reaction from the people, and implemented their Solution of expanded police state, and war on terrorism. In the process, removing rights, destroying lives, and misleading the public.
Another Problem, Reaction, Solution (PRS), event was Swine Flu. I spoke out against it immediately, and stood fast while hysteria gripped this forum and our society. What you were witnessing was the Reaction, to a Problem that the Media had created so that the powers could implement a solution.
We wont know exactly how devastating the vaccines are until 100's of millions have taken them, that will be this winter. But, we can already see that the WHO has been granted sweeping powers, through the use of a media hyped “Pandemic Level”, and vaccine manufacturers have already been given Legal Immunity. So that when people start showing up maimed, sick, dying or dead. They have no legal recourse against toxic vaccines.
“This is a 911 topic, why talk about swine flu?”
Because it highlights the exact same scam that was used with 911. The solution, is always worse than the original problem. But since their solution has been allowed due to peoples reaction, to a completely fabricated problem, it is acceptable. Where as, prior to the problem, people would have never accepted the solution.
Amazing Coincidences...
Is it a coincidence that the “Pentagon Attack” happened to hit the only section designed to take such a hit?
Is it a coincidence that the hijacker, was so nice to go out of his way to attack that portion, rather than any other portion? Going so far as to execute almost an entire downward circle, to avoid all pentagon brass stationed directly on the opposite side of the building. Just a coincidence?
Is it a coincidence that 3 steel structured towers collapsed into themselves on 911, yet it has never happened before or since? How does a fire, a jet, a bomb, or anything which compromises less than 10% of a steel structure, some how cause a unilateral, complete systematic failure?
Is it a coincidence that some how, for the first time in history that day, we had almost two entire planes vaporize? Such as in Shanksville or at the Pentagon. It must be merely a coincidence, that these two planes practically disappeared. And in the Pentagon attack, it is simply a coincidence that the wings did no damage to the exterior of the building, nor did the engines, before they were 'sucked' into the building and vaporized. Riiiight.
Is it a coincidence or simply amazing luck, that Silverstein purchased the WTC complex 6 weeks prior to 911
It is especially convenient, since purchasing the WTC's were theoretically the worst business move in history. The towers were a black hole, that were only a burden. It was losing money hand over fist, and the cost of needed renovations were staggering. It would be cheaper to rebuild the towers, than to go through purchasing them.
It's just a coincidence, that he profited to the tune of 4.5 billion dollars on a six week investment which cost him 14 million out of pocket.
Thus, it must also be coincidence, that he happened to miss a very important meeting in the World Trade Center that day due to his wife “demanding” he see his dermatologist.
CONTINUED NEXT POST.
[edit on 19-7-2009 by king9072]
reply posted on 19-7-2009 @ 04:09 AM by Seventh
reply to post by paraphi
Because in this case there is a whole heap more evidence proving the OS is flawed, how many conspiracy theories have captivated such extinguished believers as 40 plus ex and still serving national security forces king pins?, these people know a whole heap more than we ever will re terrorist protocols etc to be adhered to, now go do some proper research.
/sigh.
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[edit on 19/7/2009 by Sauron]
Because in this case there is a whole heap more evidence proving the OS is flawed, how many conspiracy theories have captivated such extinguished believers as 40 plus ex and still serving national security forces king pins?, these people know a whole heap more than we ever will re terrorist protocols etc to be adhered to, now go do some proper research.
/sigh.
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[edit on 19/7/2009 by Sauron]
reply posted on 19-7-2009 @ 05:01 AM by paraphi
reply to post by Seventh
Go on then... name the 40+ extinguished (I assume you mean "distinguished") national security king pins. Please don't direct me to some ranting twit on YouTube.
Please don't think that because I take a contrary view from you that I have not done research, mate.
Regards
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[edit on 19/7/2009 by Sauron]
Go on then... name the 40+ extinguished (I assume you mean "distinguished") national security king pins. Please don't direct me to some ranting twit on YouTube.
Please don't think that because I take a contrary view from you that I have not done research, mate.
Regards
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[edit on 19/7/2009 by Sauron]
reply posted on 19-7-2009 @ 05:38 AM by Seventh
reply to post by paraphi
Sorry was busy then, anyway as requested here`s a list of some pretty impressive people..........
patriotsquestion911.com...
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[edit on 19/7/2009 by Sauron]
Sorry was busy then, anyway as requested here`s a list of some pretty impressive people..........
patriotsquestion911.com...
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[edit on 19/7/2009 by Sauron]
reply posted on 19-7-2009 @ 06:19 AM by TheTilde
reply to post by king9072
Hi
- I don't believe the OS-
star and flagged, just a remark:
"Short Anecdote:
A young boy walks out of a store, the owner quickly catches up and feels the young man may have stolen some items. He asks the boy “do you mind emptying your pockets?”. If the boy has not stolen anything, he would quickly empty his pockets confirming his innocence."
The comparison should acknowledge the fact that the government actions should be public. In the case of the boy, one can argue privacy.
good work.
TheTilde
Hi
- I don't believe the OS-
star and flagged, just a remark:
"Short Anecdote:
A young boy walks out of a store, the owner quickly catches up and feels the young man may have stolen some items. He asks the boy “do you mind emptying your pockets?”. If the boy has not stolen anything, he would quickly empty his pockets confirming his innocence."
The comparison should acknowledge the fact that the government actions should be public. In the case of the boy, one can argue privacy.
good work.
TheTilde
reply posted on 19-7-2009 @ 07:23 AM by paraphi
Originally posted by king9072
How anyone can believe that fires in one portion of any steel structured building could cause uniform, and complete structural failure, to allow almost free fall descent speed - is beyond me.
I guess you are not a structural engineer! The properties of steel changes when subjected to heat and the effect of collapse in one area would have a cascade effect. I am not structural engineer myself, but there are quite a few studies and commentators who have shown that the collapse was legitimate and not a result of (say) a controlled demolition.
Originally posted by Seventh
Now the twin towers were designed to withstand planes hitting them, they supposedly collapsed due to this point...
We live and learn. HMS Sheffield was supposed to withstand a hit from a missile, but it burned. The hypothetical or theoretical testing which goes on in all walks of life is often based on assumptions which may not translate well into reality, either baecause they are the wrong assumptions or they are "of a time".
Originally posted by Seventh
... the steel, why was it exported the next day to China?.
Scrap? Besides, it was obvious that the towers were hit by aircraft. There was thousands of tonnes of steel and rubble. Nowhere to store it all.
Originally posted by Seventh
Sorry was busy then, anyway as requested here`s a list of some pretty impressive people..........
patriotsquestion911.com...
Thanks. I would argue that they are not that impressive. Most are individuals with opinions and books to sell, retired years ago or have a grudge and some were not that senior at all. I thought you were going to provide some real heavy weights.
Regards
reply posted on 19-7-2009 @ 07:36 AM by _BoneZ_
Originally posted by paraphi
Please don't think that because I take a contrary view from you that I have not done research, mate.
The only reason why anyone would take a contrary view to 9/11 truth would be the very definition of "denial disorder" that is defined in my signature.
If you think you're researched enough, care to take a stab at my post below?
www.abovetopsecret.com...
Nobody has been able to counter the evidence in that post as of yet and I'm wondering if you might be the person who's done their research and can counter the evidence. Care to take a stab at it? Mind you, everything in my post is provable and factual, so anything to the contrary would also have to be provable and factual.
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