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Taliban video shows captive US soldier

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posted on Jul, 18 2009 @ 10:07 PM
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news.yahoo.com...



The soldier is shown in the 28-minute video with his head shaved and the start of a beard. He is sitting and dressed in a nondescript, gray outfit. Early in the video one of his captors holds the soldier's dog tag up to the camera. His name and ID number are clearly visible. He is shown eating at one point and sitting cross-legged.





[edit on 18-7-2009 by Tank2/8]




posted on Jul, 18 2009 @ 10:11 PM
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Chilling, especially reading the dialogue between captor and the prisoner, very psychological.

I do hope this situation resolves peacefully.

Peace.



posted on Jul, 18 2009 @ 10:12 PM
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"To my fellow Americans who have loved ones over here, who know what it's like to miss them, you have the power to make our government bring them home," he said. "Please, please bring us home so that we can be back where we belong and not over here, wasting our time and our lives and our precious life that we could be using back in our own country. Please bring us home. It is America and American people who have that power."


From your article...This really rings true to me.



posted on Jul, 18 2009 @ 10:13 PM
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He is also prompted his interrogators to give a message to the American people.



"To my fellow Americans who have loved ones over here, who know what it's like to miss them, you have the power to make our government bring them home," he said. "Please, please bring us home so that we can be back where we belong and not over here, wasting our time and our lives and our precious life that we could be using back in our own country. Please bring us home. It is America and American people who have that power."



posted on Jul, 18 2009 @ 10:20 PM
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It makes me sick to my stomach. I hope we can get this kid out or released before they do what has been done in the past....

You cannot know if that is what he was forced to say (I cannot see the video itself cause blot on "streaming media") or if that really was just him. As bad as I feel for him, fellow soldiers and family, I am disapointed completely follow his military code of conduct.




Code of Conduct I





I am an American fighting in the forces which guard my country and our way of life. I am prepared to give my life in their defense.



All men and women in the armed forces have the duty at all times and under all circumstances to oppose the enemies of the United States and support its national interests. In training or in combat, alone or with others, while evading capture or enduring captivity, this duty belongs to each American defending our nation regardless of circumstances




Code of Conduct II


I will never surrender of my own free will. If in command, I will never surrender the members of my command while they still have the means to resist.
As an individual, a member of the armed forces may never voluntarily surrender. When isolated and no longer able to inflict casualties on the enemy, the American soldier has an obligation to evade capture and rejoin friendly forces.
Only when evasion by an individual is impossible and further fighting would lead only to death with no significant loss to the enemy should one consider surrender. With all reasonable means of resistance exhausted and with certain death the only alternative, capture does not imply dishonor.
The responsibility and authority of a commander never extends to the surrender of a command to the enemy while the command has the power to fight and evade. When isolated, cut off or surrounded, a unit must continue to fight until relieved or able to rejoin friendly forces through continued efforts to break out or evade the enemy.



posted on Jul, 18 2009 @ 10:21 PM
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Code of Conduct III
a. If I am captured I will continue to resist by all means available. I will make every effort to escape and aid others to escape. I will accept neither parole nor special favors from the enemy.
b. The duty of a member of the armed forces to use all means available to resist the enemy is not lessened by the misfortune of captivity. A POW is still legally bound by the Uniform Code of Military Justice and ethically guided by the Code of Conduct. Under provisions of the Geneva Convention, a prisoner of war is also subject to certain rules imposed by the captor nation. When repatriated, a prisoner of war will not be condemned for having obeyed reasonable captor rules, such as sanitation regulations. The duty of a member of the armed forces to continue to resist does not mean a prisoner should engage in unreasonable harassment as a form of resistance, retaliation by captors to the detriment of that prisoner and other prisoners is frequently the primary result of such harassment.
c. The Geneva Convention recognizes that a POW may have the duty to attempt escape. In fact, the Geneva Convention prohibits a captor nation from executing a POW simply for attempting escape. Under the authority of the senior official (often called the senior ranking officer, or SRO), a POW must be prepared to escape whenever the opportunity presents itself. In a POW compound, the senior POW must consider the welfare of those remaining behind after an escape. However, as a matter of conscious determination, a POW must plan to escape, try to escape and assist others to escape.
d. Contrary to the spirit of the Geneva Convention, many enemies who have captured American POW's since 1950, have regarded the POW compound as an extension of the battlefield. In doing so, they have used a variety of tactics and pressures, including physical and mental mistreatment, torture and medical neglect, to exploit POWs for propaganda purposes, to obtain military information or to undermine POW organization, communication and resistance.
e. Such enemies have attempted to lure American POWs into accepting special favors or privileges in exchange for statements, acts or information. Unless it is essential to the life or welfare of that person or another prisoner of war or to the success of efforts to resist or escape, a POW must neither seek nor accept special favors or privileges.
f. One such privilege is called parole. Parole is a promise by a prisoner of war to a captor to fulfill certain conditions such as agreeing not to escape nor to fight again once released—in return for such favors as relief from physical bondage, improved food and living conditions or repatriation ahead of the sick, injured or longer–held prisoners. An American POW will never sign nor otherwise accept parole.
5. Code of Conduct IV.
a. If I become a prisoner of war, I will keep faith with my fellow prisoners. I will give no information or take part in any action which might be harmful to my comrades. If I am senior, I will take command. If not, I will obey the lawful orders of those appointed over me and will back them up in every way.
b. Informing or any other action to the detriment of a fellow prisoner is despicable and is expressly forbidden. Prisoners of war must avoid helping the enemy identify fellow prisoners who may have knowledge of particular value to the enemy and who may, therefore, be made to suffer coercive interrogation.
c. Strong leadership and communication are essential to discipline. Discipline is the key to camp organization, resistance and even survival. Personal hygiene, camp sanitation and care of sick and wounded are imperative. Officers and non-commissioned officers of the United States must continue to carry out their responsibilities and exercise their authority in captivity. The senior, regardless of service, must accept command. This responsibility and accountability may not be evaded.
d. If the senior is incapacitated or is otherwise unable to act, the next senior person will assume command. Camp leaders should make every effort to inform all POWs of the chain of command and try to represent them in dealing with enemy authorities. The responsibility of subordinates to obey the lawful orders of ranking American military personnel remains unchanged in captivity.
e. The Geneva Convention Relative to Treatment of Prisoners of War provides for election of a "prisoners' representative" in POW camps containing enlisted personnel but no commissioned officers. American POWs should understand that such a representative is only a spokesman for the actual senior ranking person. Should the enemy appoint a POW chain of command for its own purposes, American POWs should make all efforts to adhere to the principles of Article IV.
f. As with other provisions of this code, common sense and the conditions of captivity will affect the way in which the senior person and the other POWs organize to carry out their responsibilities. What is important is that everyone support and work within the POW organization.
6. Code of Conduct V.
a. When questioned, should I become a prisoner of war, I am required to give name, rank, service number, and date of birth. I will evade answering further questions to the utmost of my ability. I will make no oral or written statements disloyal to my country and its allies or harmful to their cause.
b. When questioned, a prisoner of war is required by the Geneva Convention and this code to give name, rank, service number (Social Security number) and date of birth. The prisoner should make every effort to avoid giving the captor any additional information. The prisoner may communicate with captors on matters of health and welfare and additionally may write letters home and fill out a Geneva Convention "capture card."
c. It is a violation of the Geneva Convention to place a prisoner under physical or mental duress, torture or any other form of coercion in an effort to secure information. If under such intense coercion, a POW discloses unauthorized information, makes an unauthorized statement or performs an unauthorized act, that prisoner's peace of mind and survival require a quick recovery of courage, dedication and motivation to resist anew each subsequent coercion.
d. Actions every POW should resist include making oral or written confessions and apologies, answering questionnaires, providing personal histories, creating propaganda recordings, broadcasting appeals to other prisoners of war, providing any other material readily usable for propaganda purposes, appealing for surrender or parole, furnishing self-criticisms and communicating on behalf of the enemy to the detriment of the United States, its allies, its armed forces or other POWs.
e. Every POW should also recognize that any confession signed or any statement made may be used by the enemy as a false evidence that the person is a "war criminal" rather than a POW. Several countries have made reservations to the Geneva Convention in which they assert that a "war criminal" conviction deprives the convicted individual of prisoner-of-war status, removes that person from protection under the Geneva Convention and revokes all rights to repatriation until a prison sentence is served.
f. Recent experiences of American prisoners of war have proved that, although enemy interrogation sessions may be harsh and cruel, one can resist brutal mistreatment when the will to resist remains intact.
g. The best way for a prisoner to keep faith with country, fellow prisoners and self is to provide the enemy with as little information as possible.
7. Code of Conduct VI
a. I will never forget that I am an American, fighting for freedom, responsible for my actions, and dedicated to the principles which made my country free. I will trust in my God and in the United States of America.
b. A member of the armed forces remains responsible for personal actions at all times.
c. A member of the armed forces who is captured has a continuing obligation to resist and to remain loyal to country, service, unit and fellow prisoners.
d. Upon repatriation, POWs can expect their actions to be reviewed, both as to circumstances of capture and conduct during detention. The purpose of such review is to recognize meritorious performance as well as to investigate possible misconduct. Each review will be conducted with due regard for the rights of the individual and consideration for the conditions of captivity; captivity of itself is not a condition of culpability.
e. Members of the armed forces should remember that they and their dependents will be taken care of by the appropriate service and that pay and allowances, eligibility and procedures for promotion and benefits for dependents continue while the service member is detained. Service members should assure that their personal affairs and family matters (such as pay, powers of attorney, current will and provisions for family maintenance and education) are properly and currently arranged. Failure to so arrange matters can create a serious sense of guilt for a POW and place unnecessary hardship on family members.
f. The life of a prisoner of war is hard. Each person in this stressful situation must always sustain hope and resist enemy indoctrination. Prisoners of war standing firm and united against the enemy will support and inspire one another in surviving their ordeal and in prevailing over misfortune with honor.



posted on Jul, 18 2009 @ 10:47 PM
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What can I say? I would not have been captured alive. I don't disregard this man for what he has obviously been forced to say, for the sake of his own life. This is common practice to treat a prisoner well, and then threaten that same prisoner, unless he says such things. I harbor no ill will towards this prisoner. I don't know what I would do in the same situation.

You know what you should do as a soldier? Imagine the worst, and prepare agains it.

I was in basic training in 1980 and I was shown a movie where a Lt. told his men to give up and surrender. All of us privates were asked what would you do in this situation? I was the only one of 40 who said, shoot the Lt. and continue to fight. We were never told what was the best response. However, I thought my response was the best. Kill the bastard who said to give up and then fight to the death. None of this crap about, maybe I can live and get out of this later stuff.

Take me prisoner? It won't be easy for you. Run away and live to fight another day? I can see that. But take me prisoner and maybe later I can run away? Not in my mindset,



posted on Jul, 18 2009 @ 11:19 PM
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He says all these things hoping that his words will get him out of there. Sadly that won't be the case. Either we find him and rescue him or he dies.

Either way this little quote will be used as a talking point for the anti war for as long as we are at war in Afhganistan.

"To my fellow Americans who have loved ones over here, who know what it's like to miss them, you have the power to make our government bring them home," he said. "Please, please bring us home so that we can be back where we belong and not over here, wasting our time and our lives and our precious life that we could be using back in our own country. Please bring us home. It is America and American people who have that power."



I see him in that video clean, fairly good shape, with no clear signs of him being mistreated and it makes my stomach feel sour that he would give up and spread propaganda so easily.

I remember watching Korean War vets on the history channel describing the beatings and tortures they endured because they refused to spread propaganda like he did.

I guess what the old war horses say is true. This generation is a new breed of soldier. Better outfitted and no heart.



posted on Jul, 18 2009 @ 11:33 PM
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man, poor SOB... I hope they start getting your (USA) troops out soon. We (UK) have had a hell of a lot of deaths this past month.... I feel for the poor bastard I truly do... Sitting there... knowing about the videos on the net where they cut the heads off.... they're animals.

This poor guy needs to be home. All of them need to be home. Unfortunatley it's the likes of us who have the information to pass on but don't say spit.... Vote me down, ban me, whatever you know it's true. How long have you guys been on here stating how the NWO is coming and whatnot?? get a buttload of people and march up to congress, you have the power people.



posted on Jul, 19 2009 @ 02:41 AM
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Originally posted by jd140[/i
I see him in that video clean, fairly good shape, with no clear signs of him being mistreated and it makes my stomach feel sour that he would give up and spread propaganda so easily.

I remember watching Korean War vets on the history channel describing the beatings and tortures they endured because they refused to spread propaganda like he did.

I guess what the old war horses say is true. This generation is a new breed of soldier. Better outfitted and no heart.


"It makes my stomach feel sour...... " Oh man! That must be terrible. Wonder how he is feeling ?
"Watching Korean War vets on the history channel.........." Watching" That had to have been very very uncomfortable.
Sorry friend, but I have a very difficult time with false bravado from armchair warriors.



posted on Jul, 19 2009 @ 02:46 AM
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Did my time and will be doing it again in a few months. Your arm chair warrior comment is void. Thanks for playing.



posted on Jul, 19 2009 @ 03:19 AM
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If you notice in the video; his mouth and the words do not match. Can anyone truly explain why this is?? It doesn't seem out of sync. Its more like his mouth is saying completely different words than what you are hearing.



posted on Jul, 19 2009 @ 11:47 AM
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Originally posted by jd140
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Did my time and will be doing it again in a few months. Your arm chair warrior comment is void. Thanks for playing.


" Did my time....." Me too, so what ! Correct me if I misunderstood, but my read on your post is you consider this kid a pussy. What exactly would you do in his situation? In my mind all of that ' false bravado' goes right out the window as soon as they remind you of those fellows getting their heads cut off. But hey, I'm only human. My point..... you have no moral authority to judge his actions. Imagine this, Camera is up, the hooded guys come in, they read their political statement, flop you to the ground, grab your hair and apply the knife to your throat. You are now going to experience the most horrifying event of your life. Now the hooded fellow says, this is 'you' tomorrow. All we want are a harmless couple of sentences and you get to see your children. Damn ...... decisions, decisions, decisions . Maybe, just maybe, the 'tough guy' ( you ) reconsiders, and opts for the couple of sentences that may give you time to be the pawn in a political tradeoff or the remote chance of rescue. Ya kinda getting the drift here ?
I don't mean to be harsh amigo, but if you think you would behave differently, I don't think you have given it much thought.



posted on Jul, 19 2009 @ 11:54 AM
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I strongly suggest you join up and volunteer for Afganistan deployment. I'd love to see how much ass you kiss when they threaten to cut your head off. Ignorant jerk.
Did your time huh. What branch,what MOS,what unit, Ever deployed to Afganistan? PROVE IT.



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posted on Jul, 19 2009 @ 12:26 PM
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I find it laughable how many people choose to put themselves on the other side of our troops. As if the kid is the author of his pleas for mercy, he is literally trying to save his head. For anyone to question the fortitude of a POW for not having any heart makes me sick. The views are so extreme that one member chose to take the stance that any soldier killed outside of the US is a criminal and has no reason to be out of the country in another thread. The part that makes these peoples arguments so far out there is they could give a crap less about the live of our troops, but express how immoral and unjustly inhumane our big bad mean troops treat these people. In my opinion we should bring old Bill Nye and have him color commentate on the scientific process of turning sand into glass.



posted on Jul, 19 2009 @ 01:15 PM
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Listening to some of you people on here...

I'm guessing the day you guys have serrated blades slowly sawing through your spinal column you'll be all John Rambo eh?

You can't say you would have fought your way out that situation because you were never in his situation. So what if he's squeeling, the poor bloke is terrified, no doubt he's seen the beheading videos and pretty much knows whats coming for him.

There's patriotism and then there's wanting to go home and see your family.

I know which one id' choose. And shame on those people who are mocking this man for his words.



posted on Jul, 19 2009 @ 01:20 PM
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He failed his training ... or his training wasn't good enough and it failed him.
Name, rank and serial number. That's all you give 'em.
There is a reason for that.
Any more than that and they can use it against you to make your stay even worse.
This guy got all chatty. It'll bite him later.



posted on Jul, 19 2009 @ 01:22 PM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan
He failed his training ... or his training wasn't good enough and it failed him.
Name, rank and serial number. That's all you give 'em.
There is a reason for that.
Any more than that and they can use it against you to make your stay even worse.
This guy got all chatty. It'll bite him later.


Maybe his failure is what is keeping him alive? Because up to now i dont see any crack squads saving him from his captors?



posted on Jul, 19 2009 @ 01:24 PM
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Originally posted by mr-lizard
Maybe his failure is what is keeping him alive?

Sure. Could be. But it's still failure. And in the end they'll chop off his
head anyways and all he'll have done is leave behind ammunition for
the enemy to use against his country.

Because up to now i dont see any crack squads saving him from his captors?

It takes a while. When (if) it happens, it's not an overnight thing.



posted on Jul, 19 2009 @ 01:32 PM
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Lets keep the captive in our thoughts and prayers. Hopefully the US and Nato forces will be able to pinpoint his location and launch a successful rescue operation. To all those who think the young man has no intestinal fortitude should put themselves in his shoes for one moment and lets see how they react when that rusty blade is hanging over their neck.

Lets hope the man is reunited with friendlies and that his captives receive whats coming to them. They have no business using hostages as bargaining chips and I hope the President doesn't cave to the demands of the Taliban. If the man is facing execution, lets hope it is quick and from a barrel of a gun; and not one of those gruesome beheadings. However, I think they are going to make a gruesome example of that hostage given those savages recent track record.



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