Originally posted by mikerussellus
I'm old enough to remember a time when the Soviet Union had the idea to infiltrate and "win" without firing a shot.


here are some exerpts I found on line. . .


by J. R. Nyquist
Weekly Column Published: 04.17.2009

"Bezmenov referred to “a great brainwashing process which goes very slow and is divided into four basic stages, the first one being demoralization….” Here we find a generational process, which takes from 15 to 20 years. To understand the concept of demoralization, let us turn to Robert Greene’s The 33 Strategies of War, Chapter 7: “The secret to motivating people and maintaining their morale is to get them to think less about themselves and more about the group.” In military affairs an army is demoralized the instant the individual soldier thinks only of himself. At that moment, the soldiers begin to run from the battle and the army dissolves. There is no resistance possible when each soldier looks only to his own safety."


I know this is old world soviet stuff, but the principle remains the same. The idealogical approach remains the same.

And this stuff scares the heck out of me.

Despite the difference in Ethnic or National focus, the aforementioned is VERY relevant to the OP's originally posted thread. Just replace "Soviet Union" with "Islam", and you can see exactly what is going on within the Western World now-a-days. Suddenly, we see ourselves as apologists for every small mistake or occurrence which we might happen to be a part of around the Globe, and many leftists would have you even go so far as believing that we are "Evil", or that America is the "Bad Guy Boogeyman".

There used to be a time when people in this Nation stood up for what is right, regardless of World Opinion. Sadly, it appears that we have a growing leftist influence in this Country which opposes such tenacity and Patriotism.

I say Political Correctness be damned, we need to say it how it is, and we need to stand up for our beliefs again.

Originally posted by TheAgentNineteen
Ha...ha...are you serious? A Muslim Missionary would be the equivalent to a Christian Missionary, not a Muslim Extremist. Missionaries preach their religion and describe the positive aspects of it to potential converts, whereas the extremists in this case are preaching for an entire takeover and abolishment of western ideals through Militant Islam.

Ha...ha...are you serious? Positive aspects you say? Like fire and brimstone, eternal damnation etc.? The missionaries preach fear. They preach takeover and abolishment of native ways of life through fear. They're just as bad as those who promote militant solutions.

disclaimer: I'm not on anyones side, I think they're all wrong.

Originally posted by DarrylGalasso


As a fellow Christian, I will pray that you be blessed with some wisdom.



You are doing exactly what atheists do with Christianity. You are judging the entire religion on the few boneheads that they show off in the media to brainwash you with. The atheists do the same thing with the hypocrites in Christianity. I have said it a thousand times before and I reckon I will say it one more time yet:

The top reason atheists exists is because of Christians. Hypocrisy knows no boundaries.

[edit on 7/18/2009 by DarrylGalasso]

Althought I SINCERELY appreciate your prayers, as a fellow Christian, I also sincerely hope that you awaken to the reality forming itself before our very eyes. I have known of the many aspects of Islam for many years now, and I happen to even be close friends with a former President of the Student Body Muslim Student Association, so you need not attempt to "teach" me about the religion (Although I appreciate the offer).

Islam does have MANY similarities with Christianity in terms of the Koran, and in terms of its rise and existence, HOWEVER, it is completely the opposite in terms of modern practice and teachings (On many but not all levels). Go speak to the Christians currently being abused, tortured, and killed in Egypt, Palestine, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and various other Islamic nations. Christians in those lands are currently the equivalent to Black Americans in the South during the most vicious days of Jim Crow. Muslims even treat eachother horribly on many levels within our own nation, and I witnessed it first hand when a Sunni friend of mine happened to visit with his friend's Shia Mosque. I have NEVER had an even slightly similar occurrence as a Protestant however, when I happen to visit a Catholic Church.

My comment of the encounters of my American Muslim brethren the World over speaks for itself, and it is a factual aspect which you would be futile to refute or deny. I do feel that an American Muslim of foreign descent is the ultimately qualified and justified individual in criticizing aspects of their very own faith. Maybe you would also like to speak with a good friend of mine who nearly died in a car bomb in Riyadh, and also nearly had his mother kidnapped by the Religious Police there (Because her Islam was not THEIR Islam).

Islam has many variations, and fortunately the majority of those followers which I have known in the United States are great people, but it does not change the fact that the religion is growing increasingly violent, fanatic, and ignorant.

Originally posted by PsykoOps


Ha...ha...are you serious? Positive aspects you say? Like fire and brimstone, eternal damnation etc.? The missionaries preach fear. They preach takeover and abolishment of native ways of life through fear. They're just as bad as those who promote militant solutions.

disclaimer: I'm not on anyones side, I think they're all wrong.

Well, if you feel that "They're all wrong", then you will obviously not understand the differences. It is one thing to preach against committing sins, such as what you mostly mentioned in your reply, because that deals with the punishment awaiting us from God, not from the hands of our fellow man. However, when you suddenly begin to preach about making others bow down to your beliefs through sword and war, such as we are currently witnessing within the "Jihadi" movement, then you suddenly take the former aspect of "God's Punishment" and twist it, and form it into an excuse for you taking such matters into your own hands.

I have yet to ever witness a "Missionary" convert anyone through arms and force, and I have actually had the great pleasure of knowing quite a few Missionaries.

if true this gathering should be protected by the constitution considering participants are citezens. If one doesnt like it then one should legally protest. Nuke em. Ya know ok calming, if idiots want to participate in such tomfoolery man whatever.think brother Israel was tough on Gaza? Keep fu^#in around. Think for one scond ethnic cleansing is out of the question? Its f&%ki#g not. If an american wants to say they haate the gov,, they can thats what amerika means. So if a bunch of angry muslims want to rant and rave, its cool ,,as long as they are citezens and they dont get out of line. They act stupid then treat em stupid. Racism isnt illegal last time I checked. How many times have you heard lets kill all thbe 'n-word's jews and fags? Right here in america. Some right here on ats have probably said or participated in these types of convos.

well the muslims are not only belligerant in nature but also there religion teaches them to kill and destroy in that way they spread there religion...... i am speaking for a fact as i live in a muslim country.... being a non muslim you can see through there veil of hypocricy there is hate and carnage for all the non muslims.... but alas US doesnt understand that.... plz people of united states you are breeding snakes and scorpians in your own home ..... try to get rid of it or in other wise it will be too late

Originally posted by Kram09
I will hold you to that. Because i have a feeling you won't look at it.

No .. seriously ... I've gotta go. I hope to be back this afternoon but there are three of us all wanting to use the one computer in the house and I've got laundry to do and etc etc etc ...