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posted on Jul, 18 2009 @ 03:04 PM
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reply to post by wyleecoyote
 


The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

That is most definitely NOT what it says. You might just want to reread that thread for what it actually says and not what you want it to say...

Legitimate criticism of any organisation, or state is welcome on ATS. If you can't tell the difference between that and Hate speech, you've got a problem...

Give a little look around ATS and you'll undoubtably find dozens of threads highly critical of Israel and Jews.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.


[edit on 7/18/2009 by seagull]




posted on Jul, 18 2009 @ 03:35 PM
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Give a little look around ATS and you'll undoubtably find dozens of threads highly critical of Israel and Jews.


Nope, don't see anything, but I do see one very critical of Muslims - no surprise. www.abovetopsecret.com...

Threads and or posts highly critical of Israel or Jews are removed for whatever reason.



[edit on 18-7-2009 by wyleecoyote]



posted on Jul, 18 2009 @ 03:58 PM
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Really? Why don't you try these on for size...

These came off of just the first five pages of my search...

first one

second one

third one

get it yet?


...and *gasp of horror* they're all still open. ...and waiting to be posted in. Help yourself.

[edit on 7/18/2009 by seagull]



posted on Jul, 18 2009 @ 04:10 PM
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Well thank you for inferring what I think about Israel. You should do some research before you misrepresent people. I am highly critical of the Knesset. You would know that if you took the time to look instead of posting blanket, FALSE statements.



posted on Jul, 18 2009 @ 04:14 PM
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Very well put. People misinterpret Zionism as being "jewish", or a racial identity. It's NOT! It is a control mechanism; which hides itself behind topics most don't tread on.

Ah Gawd, you reminded me of seeing the presidential debates. I remember all the "I'm a friend of Israel", and similar comments; as though it should mean something to the average Joe struggling for food in the States.



posted on Jul, 18 2009 @ 04:15 PM
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The motto of mossad 'By Way of Deception, thou shalt do War' does give the impression Israel's intelligence agency will do anything including underhand tactics to stir up tension's on both sides to gain an advantage over whoever opposes them. i admit i know very little about Jews but they do pop up in a huge amount of conspiracy theories. no smoke without fire.



posted on Jul, 18 2009 @ 04:21 PM
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When I do the Israeli/Jewish thing, it's because many people hate ISRAEL because it is the symbol of a Jewish state - in their minds.

Let's face it. Israel is not a Zulu nation. Nor a Hare Krishna state. It's recognized and commonly accepted to be a primarily Jewish nation, although there are Christians, Muslims, Jews, and God-knows-what, all living in this single state.

So choke on it if you must, but a lot of hatred is by those who hate Jews for being Jews, or hate Hebrews, or Israelis for being a Jewish representation in a national form.

I don't give a tinker's damn how many supposed Jews claim separation from, or even dislike for Israel. Doesn't change the nature of the nation, so your simplistic assumption, based on the voices of a few doesn't change the Macro image that is Israel.

Tornmind -

I said nothing about dropping debates. You did. And your twisted, singular, mistaken sentence, "The hate is perpetrated on the people of Gaza daily," could just as easily and just as accurately been phrased, "The hate is perpetrated BY the people of Gaza daily."

The Israelis were finally compelled to wall off Gaza to keep out the suicide bombers and ambushers who were killing innocents in coffee shops, malls, shopping areas, bus stops, ON buses, on and on.

Down South here, we call that a "prudent, rational, defensive measure."

I've heard the outright lies that Israel is prohibiting humanitarian aid from reaching Gaza, but it takes one completely stupid and inept person unable to read a map to make such a claim.

Any child can pick up a map and see that Gaza is not landlocked by Israel. So much for that claim.

And as far as the US being against Gazans and in bed with Israel, any fifth grade student can find that the US has provided a lot of money to help Gaza.

The real problem is that the money, instead of being spent on improving life in Gaza, is spent on weapons and munitions.

Those munitions don't feed anyone, don't buy medical supplies, don't build sewage systems, nor provide clean water.

Rather than repeat lies learned by rote, and repeating the same crap, get over it.

Israel is there, they'll stay, and they'll defend themselves.

Just as I would.



posted on Jul, 18 2009 @ 04:23 PM
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Yes, and they've never made a secret of it, either. The armed forces of Israel, and Mossad can, to my mind, be included there, take very seriously the creed "Never again". They mean it, they live it...and woe to those who forget that.

This can be both a good thing, as on the defense they are indomitable. Yet the down side of it is this: They take offense very easily, and will overreact. Yet their history tells them that there is no such thing as over reaction in the defense of Jewish lives and the faith.

We as outsiders see it as overreaction, I certainly do, Israel however, does not. History to their eyes bears them out.



posted on Jul, 18 2009 @ 04:36 PM
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I was accused of being in this. Quite funny, but there are people who go on the web to support agendas, every agenda. But I am tired of the anti-Israel people, Israel is no worse than most nations. But mostly only Israel gets attacked and other nations are ignored. You have to remember most of Israel's wars have been in self-defense, I would think that would help them from being verbally attacked more than. But I am not saying they have not done anything wrong, they have, probably just as much as most other nations. Also, I think that it is okay, when you win a war of self-defense, if you expand your territory (take over land owned by your enemy), a little bit, and I am talking pre-Lebanon/Gaza, most things post-Lebanon/Gaza is harder to understand/find the truth. I am more pro-Israel though, because of this: "...most of Israel's wars have been in self-defense..." Also, don't you think you would be kinda jumpy like Israel if you were surrounded by many people/nations that hate you, have been attacked multiple times, and on multiple fronts at once.



posted on Jul, 18 2009 @ 04:38 PM
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I hear ya, i must say the Israeli DESERT EAGLE .50 cal handgun is an awesome piece of there weapons arsenal and they have a very formidable armory of other weapons with an army to match,have they not?



posted on Jul, 18 2009 @ 04:40 PM
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OP you are right.

Again, I have know this for two years, the Mossad has far, far reaching arms and outrank any U.S. intelligence agency, including NSA, CIA.

CIA are pussies in comparison.

If you mess with Mossad you and your family will die horrible "accidental" deaths. Guess who oversees JIDF?

ADL?
JDL?

You got it.

S+F



posted on Jul, 18 2009 @ 04:46 PM
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Thanks, but the first one sure didn't help your point. The posters were ripping McKinney, not Jewish people. As far as I know she's not Jewish.

They were smart enough to not bring anything more than McKinny into the conversation for fear the thread would be removed???

It really doesn't matter if ATS mods are biased Christians. It's just helpful if people know that before they start posting so they can adjust their opinions and not mention anything that might cost them points or a thread they worked hard on.



posted on Jul, 18 2009 @ 04:47 PM
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Originally posted by seagull
reply to post by stealthyaroura
 


Yes, and they've never made a secret of it, either. The armed forces of Israel, and Mossad can, to my mind, be included there, take very seriously the creed "Never again". They mean it, they live it...and woe to those who forget that.




Sorry, Mr Never Again.

My never again means never again will a single ethnic group hold the Earth hostage over a big LIE. And you can damned well challenge me over that any time, any place.

And again the mods are all over an Israel implicating thread.

Very sorry state this forum and in macro perspective the world is in because of the "Rule by deception" crew.



posted on Jul, 18 2009 @ 04:50 PM
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Hey, your the perfect US American that AIPAC is looking to create, and build upon. Many of the people similar to you voted for people like Tom Delay......Of course he's an Israeli at heart.


Between the videos showing abuses by IDF, and border police on Youtube; Israel's constant continuance of invading, displacing, imprisoning children, and smothering of Palestinian Heritage; I don't know how you can continue your argument that there is no proof........



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No, I don't think it is poor poor Israel. Yes, I do think that when Britain 'gave' them the Palestinian's land(small by nature)the "Great Game" was set then. I do absolutely believe that Israel being a majority Jewish gives all of us a 'badname', but I for one don't claim Zionism. Just like the US wars of aggression give the average US American a bad name.



posted on Jul, 18 2009 @ 04:52 PM
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where is the proof directly related to ATS? I read your links but basicaly it is all speculation that they are on ATS. I agree that it is a possibility but the title states that they Are , like you have proof if so show your hand!



posted on Jul, 18 2009 @ 04:54 PM
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They will indeed reap what they sow.

Mark my words, even if this means that Jerusalem´s ten mile radius will be turned into a glass sheet within five years. Israel will be exposed for the oppressors/agressors they are, and the whole house of cards will come down with it, from Rothschild to Windsor to the Vatican itself.



posted on Jul, 18 2009 @ 05:01 PM
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You are so misinformed, and your assumptions are so far off base, I don't even know where to start.

Tom Delay was a turd, and I couldn't stand him or his politics. Tom Delay wore his shorts backwards.

Your assumption was only off a bit - about 180 degrees.

As usual.



posted on Jul, 18 2009 @ 05:03 PM
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The Mods are far from taking sides in this. There was only an observation of a pattern of behavior of a third party.

You guys really are touchy.

Maybe you should convert to Judaism or something. They may be a lot of things, but you can't say they're overly sensitive.

[edit on 18-7-2009 by dooper]



posted on Jul, 18 2009 @ 05:06 PM
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I had one of those Desert Eagle 50.cals, but they were more hype than anything. I donno about know, but when they came out the magazines were constantly falling out of them....Many reviews on that. Now, an AR Lower, with a .458 SOCOM upper is the real deal..............h


reply to post by wyleecoyote
 


Yep, I don't know about the mods. I guess it is all your opinion, and everyone has one.



reply to post by paradiselost333
 


Ha ha ha, You make me laugh!!! I don't know how you could even write what you did considering the 'mission statement' from the JIDF that I posted... TOO FUNNY!!!



reply to post by Truth4hire
 


Yes, All guilty will reap what they sow through karma in the Cosmos. It is a reality. It really is too bad more don't see that, but I guess each to their own. It seems your smart enough, and aren't in a sleeping ignorant bliss; so good for you!!!!




posted on Jul, 18 2009 @ 05:09 PM
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I urge you to go to the JIDF website, and review their victories. Then read the link about Israeli internet fighting teams. Your the one 180 degrees out, or don't have your head where the sun shines.

Don't like Tom Delay, eh? Try most of the politicians. There is a Youtube video of Biden repeatedly saying, "I'm a zionist, I'm a zionist, I'm a zionist"....................... He's CATHOLIC..............so how can you spin this into an only racist topic concerning Jews?

Shame on You



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