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Immunity set for flu vaccine makers

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posted on Jul, 18 2009 @ 07:41 PM

Originally posted by Silk
Well im taking the shot - the sooner the better

Id rather be a live argument than a corpse with a sign saying told you so

Good luck for you that don't have it - perhaps the world will morn your loss - but i wouldn't bank on it

Yeah I'm sorry but no flu will kill me. I dont need a vaccine. Neither do my children. I'm not putting some random untested vaccine in our bodies, hell no.

I'm willing to bet this "vaccine" harms more people than the flu. Of course they will cover that up though.

I'm MUCH more worried about the vaccine than the flu.

If its made mandatory I will fight this to my death. My family will not just play right into these SCUMBAGS little scheme.


[edit on 18-7-2009 by jeasahtheseer]

posted on Jul, 18 2009 @ 11:50 PM
Some what ifs -

What if the Pandemic this fall hits and hits hard?

What if the mortality rate is very high, lets say 5% for arguments sake?

What if it is so contagious that say 50% of the population contracts it?

The population at the writing of this is 306,948,220 according to Census.Gov.

50% of the population would be 153,474,110. 5% of that would be 767,370 give or take one.

That would mean 767,370 people in the US alone would die without a vaccine.

Now lets say that a Pharmaceutical Company could or does create a vaccine that would save those 767,370 peoples lives.

Lets say, again for arguments sake that they know this vaccine will result in 5 deaths per million people receiving the vaccine.

That would mean if everyone in the US were to get the vaccine that 1,535 would die from the vaccine.

That give us -
767,370 dead without the vaccine.
1,535 dead with the vaccine.

That means 767,855 lives would be saved if the vaccine is administered.

Now the Pharmaceutical company knows that the lawsuits from the possible 1,535 deaths would destroy them and all their stockholders investments. Even though they would be saving a massive amount of lives, they know full well the lawsuits would fly and nobody would care that they saved 767,855 lives.

Now for a moment put yourself in the place of the Lawmakers who are being asked to immunize the company from the lawsuits they know will happen. It is yours to decide, do I knowingly let 767,855 people die because if we don't immunize these companies they would be insane to even think of developing the vaccine. If you immunize them from the lawsuits you kill 1,535 people.

Its up to you. You only have two choices. Which do YOU do?

From another angle, you are a Parent of a child. You know if you have your child vaccinated there is a 5 in one million chance your child could die or ( .005% chance). If you don't get your child vaccinated there is a 2.5% chance your child will die if the infection rate is 50% as the infection rate is 50%.

Get the vaccine = .005% chance of death.
Don't get the vaccine= 2.5% chance you child dies.
That makes a 500 times greater chance your child will die if you don't get the vaccine for them.

Which decision does a responsible Parent make?

Now rerun the numbers if the mortality rate is say 10%, 20%?

posted on Jul, 19 2009 @ 12:49 AM
reply to post by Blaine91555

Blaine, I have thought about that too. It's a scary proposition all around. You're right on many levels. I guess time will tell. Thanks for the insight.

posted on Jul, 19 2009 @ 09:07 AM
Don't know if you already knew this but the UK has given the vaccine manufactureres immunity too!! I had started a thread, interesting piece from the Independent on Sunday here in the UK

Link to the article is in my post

posted on Jul, 19 2009 @ 10:45 AM
Here is another article. Don't think it's been posted yet.

posted on Jul, 19 2009 @ 11:37 AM

Originally posted by uplander

Immunity set for flu vaccine makers

ATLANTA The last time the government embarked on a major vaccine campaign against a new swine flu, thousands filed claims contending they suffered side effects from the shots. This time, the government has already taken steps to head that off.

Vaccine makers and federal officials will be immune from lawsuits that result from any new swine flu vaccine, under a document signed by Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius, government health officials said Friday
(visit the link for the full news article)

Thank you for the great article.

I for one will not be getting any immunization besides that which comes from my immune system.

What about you guys? Will you inject yourself with the virus in hopes that you will become immune to it or will you let nature take its course?

posted on Jul, 19 2009 @ 03:47 PM
reply to post by OpenYourEyez

Yes, I will be getting the vaccine if available.

Being a pragmatic person I go with the odds. As I see it the vaccines people are so afraid of are safer than most common medications.

I'm also old enough that I've seen the world change due to vaccines. Children no longer suffer through the childhood diseases that I did. I'm just old enough I remember standing in line for both the sugar cubes and the paper you licked that eliminated Polio.

I also saw the victims of Polio and suffered through high fevers many times taking me near death. I've been through being placed into a washtub full of cold water to save me. All things that are no longer an issue due to vaccines.

Since this flu is killing young people, I wonder if it does get bad, how many Parents will cause their own children's deaths due to their own unfounded paranoia.

As far as the immunity for the Pharmaceutical companies? Makes perfect sense as opposed to having no vaccine for all the reasons I mentioned in my earlier post.

posted on Jul, 19 2009 @ 06:09 PM
This pandemic is artificial and let me tell you why. For one it got started in Mexico in the spring. Starting last month we have been having an increase from western europe of the danger of this swine flu and people getting it. Even Britain is recommending mandatroy inoculations for the country. The reason I call this BS is because if this thing is as dangerous as the european media and WHO (World Health Organization) is expousing. Why aren't we in the US and our media and our govt. running around like a chicken with its head cut off saying how dangerous it is. Because you see we not europe or asia are and was on the frontline of this infection. If anybody should be screaming for inoculation it should be us, and why aren't we. By this time almost everyone in the states should have been exposed to this variant by this time.

Here's a link to an article about Baxter that did something that shouldn't have not been possible by mistake and nobody and I mean nobody in the MSM (Main Stream Media) in the US covered. What this link in essence says is that Baxter sent live h5n1 bird flu from a branch of their company in Austria to the Czech republic with the h3n2 flu vaccine. The only reason they caught it was a tech gave it to Ferrets per procedure and all of them died. If both of them would have mixed together, the h3n2 is highly virulent and it being absorbed by the bird flu would have made it a pandemic virus that would have easily been spreed to human to human and with the effect of the bird flu.

What if by taking this vaccine with all the time of the world for this swine flu outbreak to get exposed to people, that this mixes up inside of people and causes the thing that we don't want to happen. In essence we the humans are the incubators and we just got vaccinated with the second part of the binary "weapon". And remember the Vaccine companies are given immunity from any lawsuits, probably saying national emergency reasons and such. It's almost a win win, if people don't get sick then the "vaccine" helped and they get paid. If people get sick and die, then they can blame the infections on the difficulty of trying to engineer a cure and they still get paid. Here's something else that needs to be considered also, Tamiflu isn't a vaccine it's a "inhibitor" and must be taken as soon as you have the symptoms. It's suppose to stop it from spreading.

posted on Jul, 20 2009 @ 12:04 AM
WLWT News 5: Secret Shots

This video is rather self explanatory.

What do you think?

Sounds eerily familiar to current vaccinations although this took place in 2005.

Or how about this classic Propaganda about the previous swine flu scare.

1976 Swine Flu Report and Propaganda

You think, you reason, you decide.

posted on Jul, 20 2009 @ 03:45 AM

Did you know Baxter, who is already being accused of contaminating vaccines for profit, filed for the Swine Flu Vaccine patent a year before the outbreak??

posted on Jul, 20 2009 @ 03:48 AM

Originally posted by WinstonSmith911

Did you know Baxter, who is already being accused of contaminating vaccines for profit, filed for the Swine Flu Vaccine patent a year before the outbreak??

See this is what scares, man. This is EXACTLY why I dont trust this "vaccine". Its to damn conveinent.

This "vaccine" sure as hell isnt going in my kid or wifes body! Hell no!

[edit on 20-7-2009 by jeasahtheseer]

posted on Jul, 20 2009 @ 04:09 AM
The article clearly stated that, if necessary, a compensation fund would be created. While vaccine manufacturers and federal *officials* are immune, you could still file a claim if you are harmed by the virus.

This is exactly what happened after the flu panic of 1976. Around 3000 people got a serious illness called Guillain-Barre syndrome, and around 300 of those died. Claims were filed, and people were paid.

It is necessary to let the vaccine manufacturers off the hook, because the government wants the vaccine ASAP. That doesn't leave enough time for thoroughly testing the vaccine. No manufacturer is going to accept skipping these important tests, unless they are protected from negative consequences. If you want the vaccine, you'll have to let the makers off the hook. Otherwise, no vaccine from anyone.

Manufacturers are reporting low yields of vaccine, meaning it's going to take longer to make a significant amount of it. Chances are good that there won't be enough to go around. Already they've triaged who gets it - medical workers, first responders, teachers and other public workers; children in preference to adults. So, no one's going to force you to take this vaccine.

Three hundred people died from taking the flu vaccine in 1976. Tens of thousands died of the flu that same year. Keep this in mind, when freaking out about the proposed flu vaccine this year. Even if there is no deadly N1H1 influenza outbreak - if we get plain old ordinary flu - the odds of dying from the vaccine are minuscule, compared to the odds of dying of the flu.

And really, even during the Great Pandemic of 1918, most people who got sick survived the experience. Millions died, but billions survived.

posted on Jul, 20 2009 @ 04:13 AM

Story about the 1976 outbreak and vaccine. Absolutley no way i am taking it .....

posted on Jul, 20 2009 @ 04:19 AM

Originally posted by jeasahtheseer

Originally posted by WinstonSmith911

Did you know Baxter, who is already being accused of contaminating vaccines for profit, filed for the Swine Flu Vaccine patent a year before the outbreak??

See this is what scares, man. This is EXACTLY why I dont trust this "vaccine". Its to damn conveinent.

This "vaccine" sure as hell isnt going in my kid or wifes body! Hell no!

[edit on 20-7-2009 by jeasahtheseer]

It's beyond convenient. I think the company deliberately caused the outbreak to make money or something more sinister. There is no way this whole thing is innocent. How would the company know a year ahead of time that three viruses from three different sources would combine? The virus is manmade.

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