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reply posted on 19-7-2009 @ 10:08 PM by GuyverUnit I
Originally posted by whatukno
You didn't answer my question. Where does it say in the Constitution of the United States that the Long Form Birth Certificate is the only acceptable form of identification that is valid to prove someone is eligible for the job of POTUS?
I'll take a stab at answering your question.

It doesn't.

But I don't see how that has any bearing.
The Constitution requires a president be a natural born citizen.
The onus of proof is on the candidate.
A candidate can offer up whatever he/she feels is absolute proof.
Common sense tells us that simply having "Mike the Doctor" vouch for you is not proof enough.
So it is only logical to show the one form that is expressly intended for just such proof: the birth certificate.

What did we get?
The SHORT form birth certificate.
Well, what is that?
"Whereas the long form is a copy of the actual birth certificate, a short form is a document that certifies the existence of such certificate"
wikipedia

So what they showed us is not actually a birth certificate at all.
It is a piece of paper that promises there is an actual copy of a birth certificate somewhere in the state and also promises the vital information presented on said piece of paper are from that actual copy and are factual.

So the question is:
"Is a short form birth certificate absolute proof of natural born citizenship status?"
By definition; NO.
It is only EVIDENCE of the existence of proof.

Does it still qualify?
"The short form typically includes the child's name, date of birth, sex, and place of birth, although some also include the names of the child's parents. When the certification does include the names of the parents, it can be used in lieu of a long form birth certificate in almost all circumstances [6]"
wikipedia

What circumstances exclude the short form BC as substitute for the long form? Probably circumstances of extreme importance.

Perhaps, say, a Presidential election?






[edit on 19-7-2009 by GuyverUnit I]


reply posted on 19-7-2009 @ 10:25 PM by daddyroo45
Originally posted by whatukno
reply to post by heliosprime


All I have ever asked in these threads is one simple question.

One that never gets answered

So maybe, just maybe you will be the one to answer it.

Where in the US Constitution does it specifically state that the long form birth certificate is the only form of identification that is valid to prove someone is eligible for the job of POTUS?

That's all I want to know.


Where in the constitution does it disallow the common citizen to question the validity of the president? Where does the constitution disallow the redress of grievances? Where is the common courtesy,that it would take to address the concerns of a block of the voting public?



reply posted on 20-7-2009 @ 12:33 AM by whatukno
reply to post by daddyroo45


Probably the part where it states that you don't vote for the president, but vote for electors.

As you have no constitutional right to vote for the POTUS what right do you think you have to Qualify him?

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