Ray Kurzweil - Transcendent Man, page 1
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Topic started on 17-7-2009 @ 06:31 PM by schrodingers dog
Many of you are familiar with controversial futurist and technological singularity proponent Ray Kurzweil.

This is the trailer for his upcoming documentary film ...

Description from youtube link:

Transcendent Man introduces the life and ideas of Ray Kurzweil, the renowned futurist who journeys the world offering his vision of a future in which we will merge with our machines, can live forever, and are billions of times more intelligent...all within the next thirty years




I honestly don't know enough about the man and his work to have a position, still, I found the premise of his work to be fascinating to say the least.


reply posted on 11-10-2009 @ 07:54 PM by zazzafrazz
Originally posted by harrytuttle

We will advance more from 2029 to 2050 than we did during our entire existence on Earth. It's essentially the next stage of evolution, on an accelerated pace the likes of which nature has never witnessed.
He's a prophet.


He isn't a prophet, just excellent at predictive modelling. Maybe that is a modern day prophet, he has Hollywood stars flocking to him as we speak, the Deepak Chopra of technology.

SD you still onto this singularity stuff? KEWL!!!

For all his cleverness (and I really mean that, he is incredibly smart) he can show us how we will advance, but not WHY we need to advance.
I am not a particularly 'spiritual' person, I do currently adhere to a premise, that is all 'existence' are required as a function and all existence is evolving. All evolution is a result of need. So WHY are we (all life not human only) needed? Is it random? evolution is a repeating pattern to suggest otherwise.
Evolution creates a capability to advance to the 'next 'stage' What is the next stage? WHY is advancement required. What "need" are humans satisfying?

As biological machines we have evolved very slowly, Kerzweil lists biologically the following as our developments, skull size, thumb usage, and weakening of jaw. Our brain is now dedicated to the cerebral cortex to allow reasoning and create hierarchical structures.
Biological evolution consists of 10 000's of bytes of information in current hominoids, that enable us to evolve culturally and technologically.

The progression of human measure of work activity is a smooth and predictable s curve .
www.youtube.com...
Humans as a biological collective are able to be predictive modelled. So he is not a prophet, rather he understands predictive modelling.
He predicts the intersection of biology with technology. I would add it is still currently controlled by the biological entity, the biological result of the "why" allowed us to move into technological and cultural evolution. Technological advances to come are a result of biological evolution.
so what "need" did bilogical evolution satisfy?

All of this is still done as humans, and our required function. Why is it required? What is the "need" that propagates infinite evolution. To me it appears that the environmental need is not what is resulting in our technological evolution, rather, its a 'need' to replicate the system we already are in. That we are indeed still bound by the function in the universe to propogate inifinty. The need to understand self. We dont know why we are (f) functions, so we continuously look for how functions work, replicating the system infinitatly.
I am not saying anything is wrong with that, just important to consider WHY we evolve not just HOW we will.

EDIT to add, there is no destination? Our model of evolution is infinite .

[edit on 11-10-2009 by zazzafrazz]


reply posted on 7-8-2011 @ 04:28 PM by JaxonRoberts
reply to post by ZeroKnowledge



I'm sure Cro-Magnon man felt the same way... As is stated in the documentary, you either accept the change as it comes, or you get left behind... There is no tangable evidence that we will lose our humanity in the process. Hollywood is NOT full of prophets!


reply posted on 7-8-2011 @ 04:42 PM by ZeroKnowledge
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I'm sure Cro-Magnon man felt the same way... As is stated in the documentary, you either accept the change as it comes, or you get left behind... There is no tangable evidence that we will lose our humanity in the process. Hollywood is NOT full of prophets!

The TINY difference is that Cro-Magnon had no choice. We do. And you cannot be Human when all the squishy parts that interact with other squishy parts are not there since tiny shiny thingy can support all the really important functions ,without all that hormonal non-sence. Try to think what awaits on this road, it is really not hard and has nothing to do with Hollywood. Individualism and Humanity will be lost since function will be the only thing that matters and they interfere.
It is way to soulless hive. Do you want to be immortal ant? What for??


reply posted on 7-8-2011 @ 05:07 PM by JaxonRoberts
reply to post by ZeroKnowledge



Man is at his best when he is NOT a slave to his hormones and 'squishy parts'... and who is to say that this marks the end of the squishy parts? It might just be the transition into controlling the squishy parts to serve us better. Alligators and crocodiles do not age. The aging gene is missing in their genome. It is therefore not only possible, but probable that we will also gain control of this pesky gene and stop the aging process as well. Will this make us less human? No, just older, wiser and smarter than our idiot ancestors...
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