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Canadian Health Care - At it's finest.

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posted on Jul, 17 2009 @ 12:29 PM
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For those of you that envy Canadian Healthcare...

My grandmother has been in the hospital for quite some time now, and usually the food isn't the issue.

Last week, she was served a spoiled piece of fish... which made her sick... and this morning, her cereal was FULL of bugs.... weevils I believe.

I kept my cool and told the dietician to straighten it out.

'Ole grandma barely has an appetite... and now it's shot.

I am wondering how the food is in American hospitals or ones in Europe?

I'm assuming if you pay, it can't be half bad.

Usually the issue here in Canada is with long waiting times, and the bitter service you get. Our hospital receives it's food pre-cooked and pre-packaged, from 100's of miles away.

Spoiled mystery fish? Weevils?

Shame on you shoddy healthcare.

Here's a recent link, same hospital: Man admitted to N.B. Hospital forced to sleep in shower room.





posted on Jul, 17 2009 @ 12:33 PM
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They couldn't get away with that in the USA. They would get sued so fast it would make their head spin! Seriously they would have their own axis to sit and rotate on...



posted on Jul, 17 2009 @ 12:53 PM
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They don't make it easy to sue hospitals up here.

I remember a while back a hospital was negligent, left a man paralyzed... and all he got was 10 Mill CAD. He won yes, but it's only in extreme cases like this where the little guy wins.

Hospitals up here, are like someone who runs a red light all the time with few accidents.

"Sure they ran the red light, but no one got hurt."

Negligent



[edit on 17-7-2009 by GioTheGreek]



posted on Jul, 17 2009 @ 01:01 PM
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That's gross stuff. What's even grosser is that here in Canada our "free" healthcare tricks people into not using their brains (not that we do alot of that anyways). If a "procedure" or "therapy" is recommended, we're like - "yup, sounds good, if that's what you think is best doctor", and we jovially exclaim how great it is to not have to pay what otherwise would be $15,000 (for instance) in the USA.

At least if we had to pay, we may at least for a moment, think about what we are paying for. Not here in Canada. We'll take any procedure you can throw at as, hell we'll take two just for good measure - it's free!

So what I'm getting at is that unless you're mangled in a car wreck or some other trauma accident, the hospital and the "expert" doctors are the last thing you should want for "regaining your health".

My apologies for ranting, it's just that EVERYTHING, every therapeutic service they offer is against our best interest, healthwise. They will make you sure believers in their "miracles" when they "remove your symptoms" but all they are doing is standing you back in-line for treatment #2 soon enough, unbeknown to the good doctors of course.

The poor doctors are the worst off of all.... their mansions and sports cars say otherwise but they have no idea what their poor brains went through to give them all that "knowledge" or should I say health and disease mind control



posted on Jul, 17 2009 @ 01:09 PM
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P.S. -


If you haven't reached the part (in the game) where every academia institution has long been infiltrated and "given" their complete line of uselessness to teach and perpetuate to the masses, then my comments wouldn't mean much.

What's important to understand is that there isn't any educational system that has gone "unscathed" and is even remotely legit (as in beneficial for us). Especially medicine. If there's anything you should take away from "the game" is how off base (and intentionally off base) mainstream medicine is.



posted on Jul, 17 2009 @ 01:25 PM
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I'm sorry to hear about your experience. I however have found quite the opposite myself. I was in a hospital in BC for over a month and found the food to be really good. Even got to pick my food everyday from a menu. If I had been down south at the time I would have paid well over $100k for my treatment. My aunt across the line lost her house when she had a heart attack a few years ago and was hit with a 200k dollar bill. She did recieve very amazing care however. Personally, having lived both, I think the Canadian system is fine for most things. And in BC there are private clinics now, so if you don't want to use the public system and pay, you can. I don't know anyone that has however



posted on Jul, 17 2009 @ 01:26 PM
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Stupid liberals don't understand if You take away the incentive to work people just won't work. I mean seriously look at welfare You get the laziest stupidest people ever that don't even try to better themselves because they have no incentive. If You take away the incentive for hospitals to make money they will do the same thing. It's just like most government jobs if You give the people a check just to show up eventually they will do that just show up... As of now I don't give a fark let them have their socialistic healthcare because in 10 years they will be crying about how poor the service is. I'll just start working out again and eat a apple a day so I don't have to go to the doctor.



posted on Jul, 17 2009 @ 01:27 PM
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Sorry to hear about the bugs and fish. I have to say though that being Canadian myself and having a mother that was in constant need of medical assistance due to MS and cancer that I don't know what life would have been like having to pay for everything my mom needs. I'm sure some of the HMO type of hospitals in the US can also be used as a cautionary tale. There are definetly issues with the Canadian Health system but I refuse to think that dealing with an insurance company is the better alternative.



posted on Jul, 17 2009 @ 01:27 PM
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I have read some John Taylor Gatto.

It is scary when you look at the big picture...

I have a cousin who works as a high school teacher who admits to kids being brain dead these days... and a curriculum that is messed up.

I also have an old aquaintance... who went through years of medicine and passed with flying colours. Now he's a doctor.

I wouldn't let him treat my dog, let alone me. Heartless, racist bast*rd.



posted on Jul, 17 2009 @ 01:35 PM
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Ten years?

You do realize that Health Care in Canada has been free for quite some time now don't you?



posted on Jul, 17 2009 @ 01:37 PM
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Thanks for your kind words


Dealing with insurance, would be a pain in the butt, I agree. I'm not wealthy but we're compromising here IMO.

I don't want privatization, but wouldn't it set the standards higher across the board for all services?

I don't want to pay 100 + dollars for a Tylenol, but a decent meal shouldn't kill you!

It's sad that these food service providers don't care. Gone are the days when food was cooked in-house.

Good food was probably phased out on purpose... cut costs and cut people.



posted on Jul, 17 2009 @ 01:39 PM
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Sorry, I think I may have misinterpreted the "them" in your comment about the service in ten years.

You were talking about Americans who want socialized health care right?



posted on Jul, 17 2009 @ 01:46 PM
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I dont know what its like in Canada.There are managers for each district of hospitals.If there is a failing it has to do with the management of each hospital,the funding is there,the expertise is there...if its not all *managed* properly...you fire the people in charge of managing it all.A national health service has its ups and downs,i have some bad things to say about the NHS in the uk....but i would glady take all its faults and positives any day of the week over a system which equates money to how much care you receive.

[edit on 17-7-2009 by Solomons]



posted on Jul, 17 2009 @ 01:48 PM
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I can definetly agree that the services should be better. I guess this is to be expected when the food service contract is given to the lowest bidder regardless of reputation.



posted on Jul, 17 2009 @ 02:15 PM
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Awesome man!

I'm glad it all worked out for you.

That being said, I didn't realise that some treatments are that expensive.

200 K is enough to kill anyone after they're out.



posted on Jul, 17 2009 @ 02:18 PM
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Yes Gargamel...

If only we could turn hospitals into Locavores!

100 mile diet for everyone!

Then we'd see a few happy faces! Local farmers, fishermen, staff and patients etc. would all benefit!

Ahh, in a perfect world



posted on Jul, 17 2009 @ 02:29 PM
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That just makes too much sense for a government to implement. How would the kickbacks work in that scenario anyways?



posted on Jul, 17 2009 @ 02:36 PM
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You're right Gargamel!

Once again I make a naive statement. Nothing gets passed you folks on here at ATS haha.

If hospitals went locavore, our cars would be running on water and renewable energy would be the winner! That's all crazy talk!



posted on Jul, 17 2009 @ 02:43 PM
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I hear ya Gio. They might as well let us out of our cages now if they start using common sense to guide decisions rather than "the agenda".



posted on Jul, 17 2009 @ 04:33 PM
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I know right! Finally someone else sees the direct correlation between socialized health care and some kid in the cafeteria forgetting to check the expiry dates on a lot of prepacked food!

I volunteered in the psych ward for a year in university and handed out meals all the time. There's a date stamped in tiny, faded letters on the bottom of the package, or on the giant box they came in, depending on where it's from. The rule was, if you can't read it and you don't know 100% what lot# it was from, so you could check a different package, you throw it out.

BUT! I see your point, it couldn't have been a stupid mistake that should end in the hospital employee being fired; it's the whole system crumbling around us as we speak! If everyone here had private insurance instead, the guy surely would have been less careless in reading the package.

That's terrible about your Grandma but your argument against out entire system based on one idiot doesn't hold water. Your Grandma also wouldn't have to wait if she had a referral from her family doctor. She could call his/her office and they would call the hospital to tell them to expect her and she would walk right in. If it's outside of office hours and shes really that gravely ill, why didn't she call an ambulance? Sorry but there's always some excuse, if people would just use the system like it's laid out, they wouldn't have all these problems.



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