Originally posted by warrenb
Great post

Haven't seen this video series of Griffin's yet

For related videos

G. Edward Griffin - The Grand Design & More Deadly Than War
www.abovetopsecret.com...

thanks for posting

Holy mackerel. I logged off from the library last night, with I believe it was sixteen flags and a few stars, and today I logged into the library computer, and this thread is flying high with thirty-seven flags.

Woah.

Maybe I will break my record on flags, and maybe I should have done this thread sooner.

Before I begin replying to everyone, because I intend to reply to everyone, I'm going to post something I typed up last night.

The seven men that the author elaborates upon, who met together, in shrouded secrecy, knew that their planning would be decried as conspiracy. Not as conspiracy of anarchy, nor of revolution, but instead of greed and power, mixed with corruption. The year was 1910, and the seven men were very powerful indeed.

1) Nelson W Aldrich

He rebuilt the American financial system along Progressive lines through the institution of the federal income tax amendment and the Federal Reserve System. He claimed that this would lead to greater efficiency. Aldrich became wealthy with investments in street railroads, sugar, rubber and banking.

2) Abram Piatt Andrew

He was an expert assistant and editor of publications of the National Monetary Commission from 1908 to 1911, and Director of the United States Mint in 1909 and 1910. From 1910 to 1912 he was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury.

3) Frank A Vanderlip

In November, 1910, he was a member of the Jekyll Island group, a group of bankers that wrote the bill that became the Federal Reserve Act.

4) Henry P Davison

..., and in 1910 he was a participant in the secretive meeting on Jekyll Island, Georgia that may have led to the creation of the Federal Reserve and has generated much speculation over the years.

5) Charles D Norton - No entry on Wikipedia for him, although he is listed as a member of the Jekyll Island Club.

6) Benjamin Strong

Benjamin Strong, Jr. (December 22, 1872 – October, 16, 1928) was an American banker. He served as Governor of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York for 14 years until his death. Strong exerted great influence over the policy and actions of the entire Federal Reserve System.

7) Paul M Warburg

Paul Moritz Warburg (August 10, 1868 – January 24, 1932) was a Jewish-German-American banker and early advocate of the U.S. Federal Reserve system.

The fact that these men were lost to history, unless you specifically studied a topic mentioning them, attests to just how successful their cover-up of involvement was, and to the depths that they would go to make sure their involvement was vague enough to be ambivalent in nature so that they would be able to redirect anyone who was investigating them. They met all together on Jekyll Island, formulated the concoction of the Federal Reserve, and still retained their power.

Indeed it seems as if they “put the fix in” so to speak on the rest of America, in order to block competition in the banking industry and make certain they were not challenged, or if they challenged that they knew how to deal with the person doing the challenging. That they knew instinctively that America citizens would have a problem with this is in itself lending to an incriminating action of subversive nature that politicians so readily hand out to regular citizens through the definitions of the laws that they write.

Is Government itself guilty or innocent of subversive action here, or is it just the individual people within the Government who met together in secrecy?

I cannot say myself due to not being there as well as not knowing these men personally, but in the climate of the time, war was building to a climax, yet it was not declared yet. What so many people do not realize is that war itself, in the modern time of the last two hundred years or so takes anywhere from ten, twenty, or thirty years of pre-staging before it happens. This is because when it is being manipulated by men of power such as these, they are making moves behind the scenes to secure business contracts, push aside competitors, and they are practicing cut-throats tactics of business.

Throughout the entire book the author speaks on history as if it were alive, which to me, it is in fact a living knowledge that flows through you as you read it because it makes you remember things you learned along the way as well as it instills into you either to make sure that you do not want that to happen again, or the reverse of you hoping something happens again, if you are a history buff like myself.

Just remember though that history always, always, always repeats itself.

History does that because it becomes cyclical as well as people constantly learn, both as individuals as well as groups through citizenship, and as well as their individual families, so history is in a constant state of flux and can never truly be fixed into one type of direct environment of knowledge, unless of course all the people learning, are learning simultaneously, both through sitting in school, as well as the family knowledge base, and as well societal speaking in the context of one complete system where no one is allowed to think differently.

To me, this would be the worse prison sentence for society itself, because as we know, this would complete indoctrination into a One World Government system where questioning authority would not be allowed. Why anyone would try to subject society as a whole, let alone themselves to this way of thinking escapes me totally because I love the independence of free-thinking more than life itself because it is what makes one person an individual within society. Who the Hell, and I think the author of this would agree with me, would want someone to tell them how to think completely, as well as teach one way to think, since this itself is a human being becoming a virtual robot in flesh and blood.

One type of thought process, one type of Government, and one type of monetary system worldwide is something that makes society bland and uneventful to the extreme of being blasé as only having one option ever in life.

What if one system of money, like the author of the book points that we are fast approaching, is what it takes for society to collapse altogether because of a simple computer glitch wherein all money being allotted to the digital world, like the coming bio-chip, is simply erased by a computer hacker with knowledge of the system, and or the ability to crack that system and make it so literally you cannot function as an individual, let alone as a society?

What then my fine friends?

Oops, let’s reboot the system and all your money is instantly returned?

What if that same said hacker, cracker actually, which is short for criminal hacker, was to plant a virus within the system that would make the computer loop through a devious virus he set as a trap, so that the instant the computer system reboots, it goes through a shutdown every single time?

We as society would be screwed altogether, and all together, in a sinking ship, with no relief in sight.

You think the economy collapsing now is bad, but what if the entire system was not only to collapse, but to be made by a criminal to never be able to repaired?

Literally, thousands and millions of people would be unable to purchase their food, gasoline, and pay bills if this was the system that was eventually enacted, which is where World Government is striving to drive us as citizens of planet Earth.

I cannot speak for anyone other than myself, but I was taught to always have a back-up, and have a back-up for that one as well, and to utilize my ability to adapt, improvise, and overcome anything that stands in my way of living, doing, or acting in my nature. But what of Government, Hell-bent on making a “one-world” model, do you honestly think that once they get us into the indoctrinated state of accepting this, that it would be easily overcome, if that system itself were to collapse wholly without ability to be able to repair it because of malicious, or even accidental erasure? I do not think the model of “one-world government” is something anyone should be willing to accept, especially when it comes to having your money, all of one kind, worldwide. This itself to me is ludicrous in nature, because it defeats itself, in that we as society need rivalry of some kind, you always need someone to compete with. Whether it be the United States verses Russia, or white against black, or even Earth verse Mars when we eventually terra-form the red planet.

Without violence, of course, coexisting together as society needs some sort of drive in which we can see someone else as different, or to be all the same, you are just a carbon-copy of your neighbor, and you can be replaced easily as a human being. I am of course speaking of this in the context of a monetary system, using the metaphors of race, color, and society in a way to make it simple to understand, because speaking of societal issues I believe the exact opposite, in that we as citizens, of the planet, need to learn to survive, with our fellows Earthlings, without bloodshed, without racial bigotry, and without the ignorance of being divided by people with agendas.

Unify as citizens of Earth, and control the very planet you own as humans, do not let others control you through the means of manipulating your money. Personally, I believe we should be back on the gold standard, so that our fiat money, which is basically worthless as a monetary system, is actually worth what it is printed upon. Fiat money itself is worthless, if you do not believe, do not trust, and do not support the Government who tells you it is worth something other than the usefulness of toilet paper.

My Amazon Review :

Harry Houdini : The Man, The Myth, The Spy, The Secret Service Agent

A lot of people love reading about Harry Houdini the magician, the Handcuff King the escape artist but did you know that he was a spy & a Secret Service agent? I can prove it with one book & a few well versed words here. The book I am talking about is one I am just over half way through & it is entitled "The Secret Life of Houdini : The Making of a Superhero."

This book is awesome & I encourage everyone to read it and enjoy the story of Harry Houdini from beginning to end. It tells about the man, the myth, the spy, the Secret Service agent who was a performer who made the world love him & his shows & continually conquered his every demon, including his own self loathing while continually re-creating himself for the world at large.

Yes this book still fits into this world of the wide web that is the internet. The book is all about how all of Harry Houdini's having been a major instigator in World War I in the propaganda & success of America while Harry Houdini, or some may know him better as Ehrich Weiss, a Jewish man who changed his identity to fit better into the world and to better sell himself to the world as an entertainer at large for War World I in the rise of Germany the first time it came to power.

The fact that the book is from archival data and letters both from & to Harry Houdini is what makes this book so intriguing. Please feel free to enjoy the book & I would love to hear anyone else's opinion & thoughts on this subject. A lot of people do not know that the Secret Service was a spy agency at one time and was connected to the spy world like the C.I.A., N.S.A., D.I.A. & the rest of the alphabet Intelligent Agencies.

Harry Houdini taught our American Dough Boys how to escape from handcuffs, being tied in ropes, & how to escape from torpedoed ships by being on stage in an ampitheater & having actually being a teacher of the American military.