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Arrogant Americans and there Stupid Patriotism

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posted on Jul, 17 2009 @ 01:36 AM
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Killed in action the week before, the body of Staff Sergeant First John C. Beale was returned to Falcon Field in Peachtree City , Georgia , just south of Atlanta , on June 11, 2009 . The Henry County Police Department escorted the procession to the funeral home in McDonough , Georgia . A simple notice in local papers indicated the road route to be taken and the approximate time.

Sometimes people can get so lost in the "debate". Should we have gone into Iraq. Should we have gone into Afghanistan. More often than not it is the people who wake up everyday with the reality of knowing that they may give there lives today, so that we may enjoy the freedoms of ours everyday. It is these men and women and the countless number of people who support them, who this country relies on when things are all "scary and bad". Dissent is encouraged in debate but here recently we hear more things talking down America and discussing
how America imposes it's imperialistic Christian values on the rest of the world. I may not be the most religous man in the world but after watching this video I find myself praying that these men and women would come home. God Bless our Troops and God Bless America.(atheists and non believers please exclude the word God)


In Memory of 1st Staff Sergeant John C. Beele and all the other men and women who have given their lives for our Freedom.

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posted on Jul, 17 2009 @ 01:40 AM
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The soldiers see more than you do. They live it. They know exactly what the price is, exactly what is on the line, and many volunteer time and time again.

I wish everyone could come home too. But I also know that frequently, once you grab a tiger by the tail, you dare not turn loose.

We don't wait until those that would destroy us get inside our gates. It's much better to fight our enemies at a distance.

Our soldiers know that.



posted on Jul, 17 2009 @ 01:43 AM
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I agree, I actually erased a part about how they can't because the minute they stepped down others with bad intentions would step up. Although it may not be reality we all see but I refuse to give up hope that some day humanity will come together. Nothing wrong with hoping for peace.



posted on Jul, 17 2009 @ 01:48 AM
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you're seeing more and more people 'signing up' because there's no other jobs out there in the US and UK... when you see what a total horlicks the politicians of these contries have made of the economies, would you put yourself intheir control? be a servant of their designs? i feel sorry for these people, i wish they'd all come home, i'd hate to be in their place and i used to think to a certain extent, they had a choice, so deal with it... but with the f'cked up economy, that margin of choice gets ever slimmer



posted on Jul, 17 2009 @ 01:50 AM
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Originally posted by Jnewell33

In Memory of 1st Staff Sergeant John C. Beele and all the other men and women who have given their lives for our Freedom.



We Americans owe ALL of those who have served in our armed forces a great debt of gratitude!

Especially those who paid the ultimate price!



posted on Jul, 17 2009 @ 02:03 AM
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John Kerry was saying this exact thing way before the economy went south, which is ironic because his service for this country was contingent on a draft card. These men and women ARE the best of the best. They all may not be geniuses and all may not be perfect as individuals, but as the United States Military they have no equal.



posted on Jul, 17 2009 @ 02:19 AM
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Well spoken. The snobbery of pseudo-intelligensia and academia make many false assumptions, especially about our military.

Every person has their own reasons for joining. And the key word there is JOIN. Some to escape a crappy home life, some to embrace challenges, some to take their turn on the wall, some to gain citizenship, and some for the pure hell of it.

Contrary to pseudo-intelligentsia, these are the very best of America, and what a diverse group we are. Every race, every culture, every background, every religion, every color, and every neighborhood is represented.

Yes. Many come home in a box. And often only given a passing mention in the news. But I wouldn't trade ten-thousand Michael Jacksons for one single private, nor all of Hollywood and Congress for one Corporal/Specialist.

Believe me, they may not garner a lot of public media attention, but those around them know who they are, what they did, and what it cost.

God loves a soldier.

That's a given.



posted on Jul, 17 2009 @ 02:32 AM
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I oft tire of the argument made "They are fighting for our freedoms."

I might get flamed for this post, but I don't care. I'm not anti-military, I'm even still considering joining the navy as a possibility.

But the war in Iraq is not for our freedoms. Our freedoms are not at stake when a rebelious group is across the seas and the deserts with no real way to get here without becoming an object of attention.

It's terrible that another soldier has died. But do not confuse a war such as Iraq as a war for our freedoms.



posted on Jul, 17 2009 @ 02:34 AM
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As to all of the above thank you, as i am blessed and truly appreciate the support from "WORKING AMERICANS" that ive recieved since ive been back home as well as being thankful that i had my mothers guidence.




(SALUTE) 1st Staff Sergeant John C. Beele and all the other brothers and sisters who have given their lives for your Freedom.



posted on Jul, 17 2009 @ 02:37 AM
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Looking at the way things are going by looking at the bigger picture, the Iraq war may be more for the resource benefit of the US and fellow Western states when it comes to the resource conflicts of the 21st Century. See the New Great Game thread for some more insight on this. Basically Iraq is not so much for American freedom but more for American dominance on the global playing field.



posted on Jul, 17 2009 @ 02:37 AM
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Yeah. You rather wait until they are inside the gate. Shooting up our neighborhoods, cities, and highways.

Militant Islam is our enemy.

Right now we have them a bit busy - OVER THERE!

By your definition, we should never have fought in WWI, WWII, Korea, VietNam, and now Iraq and Afghanistan.

Sorry. I'm just not as near-sighted.



posted on Jul, 17 2009 @ 02:55 AM
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No war in the past 100 years has been about freedom.

It's been about money.

Time to stop drinking the Kool-Aid and wake up.

If you want to "support" something, then go support the truth movement.



posted on Jul, 17 2009 @ 03:01 AM
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I believe you are dead wrong. You feel the war in Iraq may not represent our freedoms, and it is here where we have our disagreement. Our troops have been fighting to free people from oppression since this nation has been founded. The American military not only protects America, but many other cultures, religions, and people who are either to week or coward es to do it for themselves. I was simply stating the two theaters that have stolen many of these precious lives when mentioning Iraq, and if you are looking to start some debate about the reasons why we are there, then please look somewhere else.



posted on Jul, 17 2009 @ 03:02 AM
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There is something about the words: We should thank the people who give their lives so that other can be free that dont add up to day. In the first and second world war they did yes. But this fight against terrorism NOT at all.
I think its sad to see what our troops are being used for in this war against terror.
Should we really blame every one who carries a AK47 in Afghanistan for the 911 attacks?
Do they all deserve to die? What if the Afghans are just fighting for their freedom and nothing else?
The Afghans are fighting back to day because we have troops that dont really belong there. And we are killing innocent people all the time. Probable more innocent people then bad people. Is that the right way to fight terrorism and for peoples freedom?

I just have a question. Is it wrong for the Afghans to fight us against this occupation. Is that terrorism?

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posted on Jul, 17 2009 @ 03:05 AM
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No offense to those who were and still are soldiers.

My question is, how much longer do we play this simplistic, third dimensional game of shoot and kill?

When does humanity evolve above such tactics?



posted on Jul, 17 2009 @ 03:10 AM
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This shoot and kill has only been going on for the past few hundred years, after gunpowder was discovered. Before that it was steel and rocks pretty much.

What? You don't get it?

One guy decides he should dictate the lives of those around him, that a certain group should die, or that he just wants something that doesn't belong to him.

He finds that ruthless violence works quite well as most people don't engage in violence, and actually don't understand it.

Some people can't fight, and some won't. So they die, or they find those who can fight to do their fighting for them.

Let's see . . .



posted on Jul, 17 2009 @ 03:15 AM
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When the body eating robot 2.0 is released.

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posted on Jul, 17 2009 @ 03:17 AM
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Militant anybody is always an enemy. If this man had lived to become a veteran then he himself would have been branded a possible domestic terrorist.

And like thats going to happen. With big brother watching anyone at any time, there's little openings to actually harm anyone.

In truth there is the fact that we gave BIRTH to the radicals in Iraq. Our invasion inspired civilians in other middle eastern countries to come and fight the Americans for the purpose of a holy war.

Also, I don't think we should of fought MOST of those wars.
WW2 is justifiable, it is reasonable to think the the Axis forces when finished with Europe would move on to conquer the rest of the world (As they had the economy, technology, and overall the means and intent to do such.)

There's no sense in defending America's ____ Ups. We've fought too many wars that we should of had nothing to do with.



posted on Jul, 17 2009 @ 03:19 AM
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I just find it very hard to justify the taking of another life.

Especially when you see who controls the wars and the soldiers. It's people that wouldn't hesitate to stomp on you and I.

That guy out in the field with a gun? He's just taking orders much like you are and his superiors? They can't be much different from yours.



posted on Jul, 17 2009 @ 03:21 AM
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We in the US did NOT give birth to these Islamic radicals.

Muhammed, with his made-up moon-god Allah commanded all Muslims to fight until all religion was for Allah alone.

In all the world.

Kill non-Muslims where you find them.

Coming soon to a town or city near you.



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