How to 'uncorrupt' a corrupted mind?

Originally posted by Amaterasu
Again, I disagree... We are not reflections. What is "out there" is a reflection of us. And for this reason, we should not loathe ourselves, lest what we have reflected into the Universe displeases us. Yes, "good" and "bad" are relative, and are what make up this game we are playing.

Collectively speaking, what you say is true and I agree... but we as humans on this world are far from being united at this point. If I don't like the way the collective consciousness is heading, I will split from that and follow my own path.

This confuses me. Surely you had some example of what you were referring to for each term...? Because, frankly, some are extremely open to interpretation. "Dirty/perverted," for instance, is defined in so many ways. Though most would agree that sex with children would fall into that category, some think sex in any but the missionary position qualifies, and/or masturbation.

"Laziness" is also open to interpretation, as, really, are the rest. And I would think that some definition should be given... [shrug]

But you see my point is that no matter the extent of the interpretation/definitions, they are in most cases probably correct definitions/interpretations, given the context I've used them in.

As for my personal examples, I gave a couple in my previous post.

I understood the idea that to whatever degree or specifics regarding these terms, you perceive an issue. Does that count?

Only the individual can judge themselves to what extent something becomes an issue or not... that's not for me to decide. So yes, you got it.

[smile] In my way, I did. Again... I am the perfect Me. There is no other that is Me, and though my choices may not reflect to another "perfection" in some consensus "standard," my choices are perfectly Me.

I was just playing, I know what you meant and I agree to some extent. But to be honest with oneself and open to the idea that we're here to progress -- surely you must see the mind exists here intentionally so that it can be corrupted by external influences... so that it can then be intentionally 'uncorrupted' -- when the time is right. That's how we progress.

At some point in everyone's life, we are given a mountain to climb... it's our choice whether or not we want to climb that mountain. This thread is part of my attempt at getting to the summit.

Fair enough. I disagree, seeing the point of us being here in this Now as an opportunity to play the game, with some whose goal is to reduce population and enslave the rest, and others to overcome these efforts. I'm on the latter "team..." [smile] (A good tactic from the other side to "keep us down" is to suggest that there is something inherently "imperfect." I defy that concept and state that we are what we choose to be, and our aims from which we manifest our choices define the "side" we're on.)

That's not very different at all from the view I have. The difference is in the way we choose to play the game. I place more focus on myself rather than external forces.

And I believe that following one's bliss is the way to facilitate our spiritual progress... But we are thwarted in that via the scarcity paradigm in which money is required to follow our bliss, leaving the vast majority of us unable to follow our bliss because we cannot afford it.

The love of money IS the root of all evil, and if we eliminated money, shifting to an abundance paradigm - and this Earth, and the Universe itself, is very abundant - evil will vanish. The problem is in the distribution, being profit-driven, is very poor.

If you want to see how a world of abundance would operate and what it would look like, as well as how we might arrive there, I would be honored if you would read my book, linked in my sig. Click the link after "BOOK

We don't disagree on this point. The problem is to follow one's bliss, you have to find it first -- I believe most people don't have a clue what true bliss is. A great deal of inner exploration and discipline are needed to get to that point... that is where I'm at now.

Your book sounds like it might be interesting, I'll check it out.

[edit on 17/7/09 by Navieko]

reply to post by lagenese


Sorry lagenese I wasn't really referring to you... I appreciate your input and I agree.

Originally posted by Navieko
Collectively speaking, what you say is true and I agree... but we as humans on this world are far from being united at this point. If I don't like the way the collective consciousness is heading, I will split from that and follow my own path.

As it should be for all of us. That is why I broke out of the scarcity paradigm and into one of abundance. And seeing things in that light, I move to bring this paradigm into our collective conscious, so as to affect that which we collectively create for ourselves.

I understood the idea that to whatever degree or specifics regarding these terms, you perceive an issue. Does that count?

Only the individual can judge themselves to what extent something becomes an issue or not... that's not for me to decide. So yes, you got it.

Ah, good. [smile]

[smile] In my way, I did. Again... I am the perfect Me. There is no other that is Me, and though my choices may not reflect to another "perfection" in some consensus "standard," my choices are perfectly Me.

I was just playing, I know what you meant and I agree to some extent. But to be honest with oneself and open to the idea that we're here to progress -- surely you must see the mind exists here intentionally so that it can be corrupted by external influences... so that it can then be intentionally 'uncorrupted' -- when the time is right. That's how we progress.

Hmmm. Are you familiar with the presentations by Ian Lungold of the Mayan "time pillar?" The one that has at its base a time period of 16.4 billion years? I'm guessing we are reaching the fruition of our experiences - a final culmination of our "lessons..."

See this: video.google.com... if you're not familiar. The last pieces need to be picked up on youtube, though. For some reason, the end of this presentation is cut short.

At some point in everyone's life, we are given a mountain to climb... it's our choice whether or not we want to climb that mountain. This thread is part of my attempt at getting to the summit.

I can respect that. But there is, I think, a difference between climbing a mountain (mine is to spread the abundance paradigm to the tipping point) and becoming uncorrupt... I mean, the corruption I cleansed from my mind was the MSM clap-trap. Whereas I used to enjoy watching shows on TV (though even then, I wasn't drawn to news of celebs or how to paint my face more beautifully), and believing what the MSM offered necessarily.

My personal behaviors - in sex and work - were never an issue relative to corruption, but that I saw the corruption in the information pool we swam in.

At any rate, that is merely me.

Fair enough. I disagree, seeing the point of us being here in this Now as an opportunity to play the game, with some whose goal is to reduce population and enslave the rest, and others to overcome these efforts. I'm on the latter "team..." [smile] (A good tactic from the other side to "keep us down" is to suggest that there is something inherently "imperfect." I defy that concept and state that we are what we choose to be, and our aims from which we manifest our choices define the "side" we're on.)

That's not very different at all from the view I have. The difference is in the way we choose to play the game. I place more focus on myself rather than external forces.

Ahhh. Ok. I understand this, but for me, I sense a connection, a being one, with all forces, and suspect that it matters not what I do as an individual, but what I do as a whole. That is why I pester this (and other) board(s) to spread the paradigm. For it is not merely me that counts. It's Me.

And I believe that following one's bliss is the way to facilitate our spiritual progress... But we are thwarted in that via the scarcity paradigm in which money is required to follow our bliss, leaving the vast majority of us unable to follow our bliss because we cannot afford it.

The love of money IS the root of all evil, and if we eliminated money, shifting to an abundance paradigm - and this Earth, and the Universe itself, is very abundant - evil will vanish. The problem is in the distribution, being profit-driven, is very poor.

If you want to see how a world of abundance would operate and what it would look like, as well as how we might arrive there, I would be honored if you would read my book, linked in my sig. Click the link after "BOOK

We don't disagree on this point. The problem is to follow one's bliss, you have to find it first -- I believe most people don't have a clue what true bliss is. A great deal of inner exploration and discipline are needed to get to that point... that is where I'm at now.

Several points on one's bliss... First, the vast majority have had no chance to explore to find their bliss. No money and time obligated in large chunks as a slave merely to feed oneself.

Second, most have thought of something they would "rather be doing." like those bumper stickers. Sailing, flying, playing an instrument, traveling, reading rare books, doing experiments, organizing things, and so on. But most often, the lack of money and time preclude these pursuits.

And third, with no money, children are taught to enter slavehood rather than to seek their bliss. The lucky ones are those whose training for slavehood match their bliss, and from those come awesome results. The rest of what is created is merely adequate.

If we all had equal and abundant opportunity, we (most of us now and virtually all of us in the future) would find our bliss - even if it's just spending time with the ones we love.

Your book sounds like it might be interesting, I'll check it out.

I am honored and look forward to your comments at completion. It's a short read.

Ive been a fag all my life, yet only in the last 11 years I've been aware of that. I have slept with women all my life. At least that's what I believe. I think.

I've masturbated to porn, from light porn, to gangbangs and creampies. It has escalated into wanting to have sex with women in real life, yet it never works. The female body fascinates me, I want to touch it and feel it and watch it. But there is a soul behind that fleshy thang.

People have all kinds of thoughts
There is nothing wrong with any thoughts you receive
It is how you choose to act upon them or not

Is a child born out of wed lock less worthy than one born in marriage
Of course not ... Yet they are labelled such by the term "Bastard" and in the past were considered more lowly than Church approved children ... causing a false sense of shame

The so called Morals of a society are constanly changing

My personal rule is "Does it harm another person"

Once masturbation was a sin ... visions of sexually frustrated male monks lashing themselves for their "impure" thoughts which tortured their minds because it went against the rules of their order and Human nature because the Church itself was corrupt

Of course the world is more liberal now But we still have many shackles to break

If you get a perverse thought surely you recognise it as being so but it does not mean you must act on it
No thought is corrupt it is there to be understood
Therfore we have to careful not to set up a false sense of Morals

Does it harm another if Yes it is corrupt and should not be acted upon
If it causes no harm both mentally and physically then there is no reason to self censor it

originally posted by: Navieko


Um, I should probably clear some things up... here are some examples that I mean when I say "corrupted mind" -

Watching some meaningless crap on TV rather than doing something creative and productive to the soul. Also as a result becoming in sensitized to things in this world that we really shouldn't.

Is that what you do. I don't

I have hardly watched TV for the last 30 years. Chose not to have one in my single days. Got one when married , but never watch except when spouse asks me to stay close because she is scared of the horror movie she is watching. All my spare time is spent with hobbies : Playing guitar, flute; doing astrology and tarot; occult training exercises; painting; writing software tools; servicing the spouse as she does me. I also have a career and I am strong enough to be my honest self work ; never adopting a fake personality or indulging in stupid petty conversations .

I do not have a facebook or twiter account and I never have anything to do with social media which really stinks bad.

My mind has very few thoughts in the day because it has been trained to be under the control of my "self". I dictate what thoughts go through.

I make all decisions with the heart but both mind and heart work together. Tip : heart is connected to higher self which is not bound by space and time.

By laziness I mean procrastinating, once again, on meaningless things when time spent could be on much more purposeful ventures in life.

Perhaps you speak for yourself. Spend your time doing purposeful things and don't try and find scapegoats. You are already answering your question of how to uncorrupt ther mind. Don't blame your mind and dissociate yourself with it. It is still you. Blame yourself instead.

By dirty/perverted the farthest that goes (at least for me) is looking at a beautiful women and imagining what she looks like naked, rather than looking through her and respecting her as another soul, who could potentially teach me many things in life.

You can do both. Seriously. She is both a beautiful soul as well as a physical being . The sexual act has the magic of joining two souls. "La petite mort" being a french term which nicely defines orgasm. Love has to be grounded and that is what sex is for. Most ancient religions recognise this but the modern world seems to shy away from it. You still come across a lot of statues with erect phaluses across India and other countries such as Bali in Indonesia.

By the way , if you look too much at her as a beautiful soul and not a sexy thing , you may not function properly in bed. There is a time and place for everything.

I guess you all missed the point of this thread, but by giving tips I meant practical things such as getting rid of the TV, meditation techniques, going bush for a certain amount of time... that sort of thing, ya know?

Yes, that's the answer. You knew it all along.

The decision has to come from you. If you let yourself be corrupted by the modern western world. It is your own fault. Do not attempt to clean the mind by blaming it and punishing. Sounds a bit like the religious fervour of those who used to whip themselve because their body was "dirty". You are applying the same concept to the mind; trying to blame it and punish it.

sorry, was double posting.

We all develop a belief system to allow us to make sense of our surroundings. Breaking down that belief system is sometimes difficult, remove the wrong straw, and you could break the donkeys back. Thats why some people get angry or defensive when you present them with logic. They are protecting their belief system.

originally posted by: Navieko
The first and biggest step in 'uncorrupting' a corrupt mind, in my opinion, is to acknowledge the separation between who you really are -- and your mind.

The thoughts (mind) assume the existence of something which does not exist and thought makes this illusory something the prime focus - no wonder there is corruption!

It is the 'self centre' - if one has a wick (self centre) there will be wickedness (corruption). There can be no rest for the wicked.
Only when the 'self centre' has been found to be an illusion will the corrupt mind lift away.

Clicked wrong button

Once you can discern the difference between your self and your psychological mind, and act according to that recognition along with a very basic understanding of the nature of mind, It will, in time, grow quiet and become your servant.

Even if it stays noisy, it's noise will gradually become more irrelevant as it starves from lack of attention. There is absolutely nothing else you need to do from that point forward. Let it cleanse on its own accord....or not according to the powers of grace. But you remain as the witness, untouched. When this occurs in you, the mind can no longer trouble you and your suffering will be finished. Mindfulness, meditation widens that gap, no other mental alchemy, or spiritual methods are necessary. That is the direct path. The path-less one since all it requires is that you be exactly what you already are, the witness.