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ObamaCare = Soylent Green?

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posted on Jul, 19 2009 @ 05:31 PM
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Sorry but America has a terrible health care system when you look at the full picture,yes alot of people go to America for specialized treatments....but people can do that in a country with an NHS as private health care is also available and more often than not will fit those demands.National Health care systems have their faults but these blatant myth's are nothing but that....myth's.



[edit on 19-7-2009 by Solomons]




posted on Jul, 19 2009 @ 05:59 PM
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Please by all means, enlighten us on anything that has been stated as a myth? I would be interested to go into more depth.



posted on Jul, 19 2009 @ 06:05 PM
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How the heck did this mad scientist nut job make it to the position he is in? Whats wrong with this country!! (rhetorical question)



posted on Jul, 19 2009 @ 06:13 PM
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Originally posted by Eurisko2012
reply to post by mikerussellus
 


Their thinking is "It's now or never! The poll numbers are heading down!"
Make it over 1,000 pages. That way no one will read it.
I think Obamas head in another world.
He is not on Earth.
He is on another planet called "Planet Big Lib".
On Planet Big Lib universal health care works great.
Go check out Canada.
Take a number. The doctor will see you in 10 hours.
....maybe.


Obama knows what is going on, but the plan is not his.

Like Shrub, he is just doing what he is told like a good little puppet.

The puppet masters do not want to be exposed to the light of day.

Their agendas are discussed at Bilderberg meetings and they contact
each other from time to time for updates and course corrections.

They don't always get what they want the first time, but they make
adjustments and come back at it again and eventually get what they want.

They make their plans very clear in the Ecoscience book, and
on the Georgia Guidestones. Both of those look like they were
excerpts of the Club of Rome's book Limits to Growth.

We got some change coming, it is just not the change ppl had hope for.

Hope and change indeed.

Brave New World indeed.

Orwell and Huxley were prophets, and it is funny they used to argue
which once would be right and it is both.



posted on Jul, 19 2009 @ 06:15 PM
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Here's the biggest myth of the lot. "Take a number. The doctor will see you in 10 hours"

A year ago i had a clot in my vein as a result of a sporting accident.

I rang the Dr's at 8am. Got an appointment for 1pm, had the medication, which i didn't have to pay for, in my hand by 2:15 and within a week i was back playing football.

No fuss, no wait, no charge, no problem.


You evidently hear a lot of scare stories over there about our health system. Obviously things go wrong here, but they do in America too. It's called human error. The NHS is one of the things that makes me most proud of Britain. The vast majority share this view. Ny Bevan (founder of the NHS) is a national (unsung) hero. It's not about population control or about settling for less. It's about everybody getting the care they need, regardless of how much they earn.



posted on Jul, 19 2009 @ 06:18 PM
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Originally posted by Eurisko2012

Originally posted by suzque66
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Those have nothing to do with funding, those are numbers issues (referring to the equipment shortages) and occur rarely.


I heard if you want heart bypass surgery, they send you to
Houston, Texas. Thank God for the USA. What would you do if
the USA had your system?
Send them to Mexico?

[edit on 19-7-2009 by Eurisko2012]

Actually the most likely course for ppl will be to take some cash
or get a 2nd mortgage on their house and go to India for their
surgery. Lots of ppl are going to India for medical care it appears.

Medical Tourism

Brave New World indeed, and the hits will just keep on coming.



posted on Jul, 20 2009 @ 01:34 AM
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Just because we may have equipment lacking doesn't mean the card you have doesn't cover it IF you had to go to the US for a treatment. Under those dire circumstances they fees would be charged to the province. What is so bad about that? You are a sister country, some patients merely drive an hour to the US hospital, its not like we are on another planet lol. I'd take that over paying for full survice any day. Plus, tons of Americans come here for prescripts...it is cheaper.



posted on Jul, 20 2009 @ 03:22 AM
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seriously, obama wants to have a board decide who gets health care and who doesnt.. at the same time as cutting 2 trillion to health care! that means if you aren't worth the $$ to them they WILL pull the plug! this is NAZI policy!!

larouche blew the lid on this first



posted on Jul, 20 2009 @ 03:30 AM
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I agree Winston..and not having medical records divided and recorded by insurance companies insures that all of your data is in one place (governement hands) which cannot be good for anyone. Too much room to view records of illnesses for purposes of another agenda.



posted on Jul, 20 2009 @ 04:33 PM
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Originally posted by suzque66
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I agree Winston..and not having medical records divided and recorded by insurance companies insures that all of your data is in one place (governement hands) which cannot be good for anyone. Too much room to view records of illnesses for purposes of another agenda.


I heard in Canada you have a GST.
Government Surplus Tax.
If you want to buy a new Minivan....it's cost of the van around $30,000
plus a $15,000 GST = $45,000.
Is that about right?
The GST is used to pay for the free health care system?



posted on Jul, 20 2009 @ 09:07 PM
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I heard in Canada you have a GST.


It is a Goods and Services Tax

and yes it is pooled into all services, if you are a below a certain income, it is partially returned to you at refund time plus divided 4x year in a refund of up to approx. $240. per child under 18. Your tax return determines if you qualify or not. It is an excise tax. Quebec, of course having their own system. ..they r speshul
The Natives also have their system, as do businesses and charities. www.cra-arc.gc.ca...

It is mingled with provincial and federal taxes when you buy something. See rates: www.cra-arc.gc.ca...

Alberta for example has no provincial tax., but they do pay federal and GST. lol This new tax system came into place when I was living in the US. So imagine my surprise when I return and take some crappy waitress job for the time being and I was fired for repeatedly forgetting to add the GST to food bills. me bad. Ohh I'd say I am used to it now lolol.





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posted on Jul, 20 2009 @ 10:32 PM
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Yeah for normal stuff like a cough or anything of that sort the program is fine for, but what about people who have more severe problems? The proofs in the pudding, theres a huge number of people world wide in areas with universal healthcare that cant get treatment, in fact, many of them go from something treatable to something terminal just WAITING to have a procedure done.


Exactly. That will happen here. This is a scam to further enrich big pharma. The AMA and pharmaceutical companies will dictate all treatment options. That means if you have a 'controversial' disease like say, chronic Lyme disease, you will not be able to get long term antibiotics or other rejected therapies.

This in fact happened to this poor young woman in canada,
www.youtube.com...

The case is so tragic that it fills me with both rage and sorrow. This is what we have to look forward too thanks to the ignoramuses who voted the communists into power.

and this case in the UK
lymeblog.com...

Just hope you don't get any real illnesses on Obamacare



posted on Jul, 20 2009 @ 10:44 PM
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I don't know why the Canadian girl was rejected for meds but she definately will get lifelong disability benefits from the looks of her physical condition. Perhaps because lyme disease is not as prevelent as the Southern states and the government has yet to caught up with it. A lot of new diseases and insects (even snakes) have moved further North where it used to be too cold for such to survive. This lyme carrying tick, killer bees and certain rattlers being amoung the newcomers within the past 40 years. Sad indeed.



posted on Jul, 20 2009 @ 11:02 PM
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All politics aside, her case is truly heartbreaking. Having suffered through chronic Lyme myself, I can especially sympathize with her and her family.

Here in the US mainstream medicine will refuse to treat this disease, just like in Canada. The reasons why, involve, money, military biowarfare and sheer arrogance. If you get good insurance (increasingly hard to find), you can get treated through a handful of doctors who secretly practice outside of normal protocols.

Under Obamacare this will be impossible. All such treatment will now be do it yourself or under the table. The new world order starts to hit home.



posted on Jul, 20 2009 @ 11:15 PM
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Well, thank God though she has the backdrop of the disability pension to support her for life. Do you have that there if one becomes so ill they cannot work ever again? or does someone in the family have to support you or you go into a chronic care facility run by the state?? wondering



posted on Jul, 20 2009 @ 11:19 PM
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You can get disability payments from the state. I hate to say this, but I'm against most forms of government welfare. It's inefficient and the tax burden makes it impossible for real caring christian organiztions to receive the funds to fill in the gaps.

Americans used to understand that government 'welfare' is unconstitutional, but that has been brainwashed out of us.



posted on Jul, 20 2009 @ 11:35 PM
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Well that is also Ayn Rand's theory but, if you think about it, disease of any kind is a byproduct of any given society (from pollution, cancer, AIDS, sexually transmitted diseases) therefore the citizens should share in those faults equally (by taxes).

Charity should be used as an alternative IMO. Using 100% of monies for situations like this is removing responsiblity that all of us share in the cause of any disease. Using government money that is voted upon gives those who pay attention a reality check into realizing the ailments that surround us daily. Eventually one should notice that the cost allowed for such diseases as a red flag that society has a problem. (ie: high amount of cancer cases in one particular area)

Charity in this case would pay for such needs without an actual audit of the leading causes for the illness. Charity might be the means that any given disease could run its course unchecked (by citizens). Just My opinion.

edit: I do understand though, that if one were to give to charity on basis of empathy for a specific cause be voluntary and not enfored, yet, perhaps if forced (within taxes) it enforces us to be community-involved/thinkers and are reminded that such tragedies occur within our communities. Perhaps if any given jump in such taxes occured in/for one or more particular disease, then people will start questioning how and why these diseases occur and would insist on investigation, study and/or action to confront the influx for the benefit of all citizens who may in the future be inflicted. A good example is AIDS. Since the government programs include 'prevention' methods (condom education, etc) yet the major funding for research comes from private AIDS charities, then officially a country is denying it is a national pandemic caused by the 'culture' of these peoples, no?



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posted on Jul, 20 2009 @ 11:52 PM
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... I dont want to get off topic, ... but a recent study suggests for optimal skin health people should rub themselves vigorously with a lemon/basil skin rub.

.... also, ... excercise is not required to be healthy, ... in fact it makes your muscle's " tough" ... no one wants tough muscles.

.... also, .. would it kill you guys to sprinkle a little salt on you from time to time ??

... follow this advice for a healthier..... delicious, future.



posted on Jul, 21 2009 @ 12:04 AM
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Yes IntastellaBurst like Kramer in The Butter Shave pic: upload.wikimedia.org...
episode outline: www.justforlaughschicago.com...

or like: en.wikipedia.org...(The_Twilight_Zone)

lol



posted on Jul, 21 2009 @ 06:37 AM
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Obviously the better, smarter, richer people pay to support the poor like pets (labor).

The question is how many mindless workers are needed? Especially with automation and these new walking robots that are right around the corner.

I say instead of taxing the rich into oblivion, just kill off the surplus poor.

The socialists/communists want the rich to be knocked down the ladder so that the communist party is the only remaining ''big daddy'' that controls everything with no freedom or opportunity for the naturally gifted.

It will be stopped. I believe in America and Her ability to crush any foe under Her gigantic heel.




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