ObamaCare = Soylent Green?, page 1

Obama's new Czar John Holdren is a nutjob.

Here's a link to some of the things he espouses.
zombietime.com...

The Charleton Heston movie, "Soylent Green" is probably more prophetic than it was intended.

The reason this sprung to mind was my fate when / if ObamaCare comes about. I'm 46 so I'm on the low end on the age/productivity ratio curve. So I might as well pick out a movie, nice music and let them turn me into Obamagrub!

Until that time though, I might as well eat red meat, smoke and drink until my liver cries foul! It's not like I'm going to get any healthcare any more.

Any thoughts on this fun new program "brought to you by the same people that brought you the DMV!!!"


MOD EDIT : Spelling corrections; Thread Title and an instance of "Soylet" within post changed to "Soylent"

[edit on 7/19/2009 by benevolent tyrant]

reply to post by Hastobemoretolife

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Full of preservatives, scotch-y aftertaste.

But low-fat!






I didn't mean for that to sound weird, my wife just yelled at me

-god! I need another drink!-

[edit on 16-7-2009 by mikerussellus]

reply to post by mikerussellus

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Their thinking is "It's now or never! The poll numbers are heading down!"
Make it over 1,000 pages. That way no one will read it.
I think Obamas head in another world.
He is not on Earth.
He is on another planet called "Planet Big Lib".
On Planet Big Lib universal health care works great.
Go check out Canada.
Take a number. The doctor will see you in 10 hours. ....maybe.

reply to post by Eurisko2012

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Just to be serious for a moment (I meant this thread in partial jest) the "curve" exists.
The older you get, the less productive you become. In this brave new world, if you can't produce for the "state" then you are no longer able to reap the benefits that the state provides. I lived in the UK long enough to witness this first-hand.

Originally posted by mikerussellus
reply to post by Eurisko2012

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Just to be serious for a moment (I meant this thread in partial jest) the "curve" exists.
The older you get, the less productive you become. In this brave new world, if you can't produce for the "state" then you are no longer able to reap the benefits that the state provides. I lived in the UK long enough to witness this first-hand.

I am being serious.
I don't think the thought has even crossed his mind that
"Maybe I'm wrong with all these fixes in congress?"
With a straight face Obama is telling The dems in congress
that he wants all this garbage by August AND he wants
bipartisan support.
OMG.... this guy is smoking some really good pot if he thinks
the republicans want anything to do with this Obama Nightmare.
BTW...how's it going in the UK?

reply to post by Eurisko2012

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Back in the US. Working at Hill AFB in northern Utah now.

I even see dems (blue dog dems) going against this bill now. So I think there is some common sense still in DC.

reply to post by mikerussellus

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Are you in the U.S. Air Force?
Welcome home.
I heard the food really sucks in the UK.
I was in the U.S. Navy for 10 years.

reply to post by Eurisko2012

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Actually a civillian in the army. Did 10 years in the Air Force, got out spent time in civillian world, got a job with Uncle Sam (again) this time with USAMMA. US Army Medical Maint. Agency.

We try to make hurt folks feel better.

-at least we still can without worrying about ObaamaCare. . . !-

reply to post by mikerussellus

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"Just to be serious for a moment (I meant this thread in partial jest) the "curve" exists.
The older you get, the less productive you become. In this brave new world, if you can't produce for the "state" then you are no longer able to reap the benefits that the state provides. I lived in the UK long enough to witness this first-hand. "

I'd like to see just how productive those old Rothchildes or the Queen or any other aging elitist would be at some back breaking work (or work at all). I don't like the idea of 'them' deciding who is fit for what when they did nothing but point fingers all their lives.

reply to post by suzque66

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But they are "better" than us lowly serfs. "They" have to stay in charge to make sure those little folk are staying in their place!

-I don't really have to point out the sarcasm, do I-

reply to post by mikerussellus

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Yes, us great unwashed.

Imagine how exhausted they would be if they actually had to watch their own kids, work for a living, work to pay to relax, work some more then wake up one morning and have nothing. Their backs would ache too and would need to be put out to pasture.

btw, did anyone see some hospital show, I think it was an ER episode (I don't usually watch it but I kept it on while doing something else)...anyhoo, this woman doc had an anxiety attack and asked 2 other female docs to hug her and hold her back into sanity. She explained how cows going to slaughter get put in a tight fitting stall to calm them into submitting right before the 'axe'. ??

reply to post by mikerussellus

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"The ONLY way they will be able to ever afford universal healthcare is to ration. Let most die off, and only have the most productive get the medical help they need.

I defy anyone to show me a country where this is not the case."

Canada has universal health care, I don't see anyone rationing or dying. off lol

I actually have a docs appt this morning. I just show a card and voila, done. I have alternate insurance but if not, those on welfare pay a $5.00 fee for prescriptions. No cost for doc. or clinic or hospital.

[edit on 17-7-2009 by suzque66]

reply to post by suzque66

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But if you need serious care or the use of expensive equipment, the truth lies elsewhere. Socialized medicine can not and will not meet your needs.

www.theglobeandmail.com...

www.highbeam.com...

Then there is this, a real life example of trying to get care under socialist medicine in Canada. 10 hour waits and longer for treating broken bones. 3 year waits to get a family doctor. No ability to get routine blood test screening etc. etc.
blog.heritage.org...

reply to post by SevenThunders

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Those have nothing to do with funding, those are numbers issues (referring to the equipment shortages) and occur rarely.

As far as the wait times, I haven't seen them. My cough in Feb, I waited approx 15 mins in emergency (most of that wait was filling out paperwork). Familiy doctors are in shortage because many docs went to the US because the money is better., but there are always the availability of using a clinic (which are at least one per mile within a large city).

Originally posted by suzque66
reply to post by SevenThunders

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Those have nothing to do with funding, those are numbers issues (referring to the equipment shortages) and occur rarely.

As far as the wait times, I haven't seen them. My cough in Feb, I waited approx 15 mins in emergency (most of that wait was filling out paperwork). Familiy doctors are in shortage because many docs went to the US because the money is better., but there are always the availability of using a clinic (which are at least one per mile within a large city).

I heard if you want heart bypass surgery, they send you to
Houston, Texas. Thank God for the USA. What would you do if
the USA had your system?
Send them to Mexico?

[edit on 19-7-2009 by Eurisko2012]

reply to post by suzque66

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Exactly people in power or with money in Canada come HERE to get anything done thats extensive, its a fact.

2. Yeah for normal stuff like a cough or anything of that sort the program is fine for, but what about people who have more severe problems? The proofs in the pudding, theres a huge number of people world wide in areas with universal healthcare that cant get treatment, in fact, many of them go from something treatable to something terminal just WAITING to have a procedure done.

Theres also the fact that if you ARE older , your priority is lower.

My father has had prostate cancer , and then complications from it for 6 years now, hes doing a lot better now, but that was because he could get the care in a timely manner.

If he wouldhave had to wait under a universal healthcare plan he would be dead by now, and thats fact.

If its so great then why is it that world leaders in countries that have universal healthcare come HERE for things like heart procedures and more serious needs?

just something to think about there.

Also, if you look at the UK, the survival rate for cancers is considerably lower. For prostate cancer it ranges from 70 percent to 50 percent ,thats huge! Considering here in the US you have about a 90 percent survival rate.....

Ill take our health care any day!

Just to edit a bit, I had to go to the doc couple of days ago for a minor surgery due to an infection, and i was talking to the doctor about it.

His reaction to it was basically "If we go down that road we are all screwed" he then went on to state how people that are for this plan have no idea what it will do to their quality of health care and the hurt its goign to put on the doctors.

His contention is that a little bit of greed is good, when you have private healthcare and people paying a good a mount of money, YES the doctors are making big bucks, but thats incentive to keep doing good work.

You take away the potential of making the money they were, and for some its going to reduce motivation to keep doing great work.


[edit on 19-7-2009 by ManBehindTheMask]

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