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Russian Ballistic Missile Test Fails

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posted on Jul, 16 2009 @ 05:20 PM
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Russian Ballistic Missile Test Fails


www.foxnews.com

MOSCOW — Russia's latest test of its advanced submarine-launched ballistic missile Bulava has failed, with the missile self-destructing, the Defense Ministry said Thursday — another setback for the nation's efforts to upgrade its aging arsenal.

The failure was the seventh in 11 test launches for the Bulava, and could have consequences for Russia's top missile designers and missile force commanders.

The Defense Ministry said in a statement that the missile was fired Wednesday from the submarine Dmitry Donskoi, but its first-stage malfunctioned and the weapon self-destructed.

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posted on Jul, 16 2009 @ 05:20 PM
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Wow. Sounds like these guys and the North Koreans must be using the same parts in their missiles LOL. It sounds like the missile didnt fail to launch but it basically fell apart in its first stage. If at first you dont succeed, try, try again. Im sure we will be seeing more launches in the future.

We all know that Russia's defense spending has been on the increase in the last few years but perhaps this money is just spent on equipping the troops rather than hardcore R&D? Who knows.

www.foxnews.com
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posted on Jul, 16 2009 @ 05:33 PM
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How many SSBN's do thay have that are able to put to sea at any rate?

Its also a missile in Test and thats why its called 'Test" US SSBN's had plenty of failures too but during the cold war they did not get as much press



[edit on 7/16/09 by FredT]



posted on Jul, 16 2009 @ 05:35 PM
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And this is why you don't always go with a china manufacture just because they are cheaper! What a blow to their ego...



posted on Jul, 16 2009 @ 05:55 PM
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Who cares if was a "Test" or not. The point is that it FAILED. The North Koreans fail missile tests all the time and its all over the news and folks talk about id ad nauseum. Same should go here as well.
The Russians missile-did it even make it out of water before it self-destructed?



posted on Jul, 16 2009 @ 06:03 PM
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China’s military spending 2009 (up 14% from last year): $70.3 billion source
Russia's military spending 2009 (up 25% from last year): $50 billion source
United States military spending 2009: $651.2 billion source

The 2005 U.S. military budget is almost as much as the rest of the world's defense spending combined source
US spends 1 trillion dollars on fighter jets (even though the US has no enemies with an air force) source
Military discretionary spending accounts for more than half of the U.S. federal discretionary spending, which is all of the U.S. federal government budget that is not appropriated for mandatory spending. (Budget)
www.abovetopsecret.com...

We outspend Russia by more than 1000%. I wouldn't be too concerned with mighty Russia quashing our military anytime soon. That doesn't stop some people from calling for more military spending, though



posted on Jul, 16 2009 @ 07:08 PM
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You gain many more volumes of data from a failure than a success.

The Russians aren't stupid and could have swept this one under the rug, easily, if they chose to save face. Maybe sometimes it's also about getting your enemy to underestimate you.



posted on Jul, 16 2009 @ 07:27 PM
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Another piece of junk from Russia. The Russians are trying to build new weapons, but they keep failing like always.



posted on Jul, 16 2009 @ 07:38 PM
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These things do not go from the drawing board to the silo in a few days eh? Say what you want, Russia has the ability to learn fromt his and begin the slow process of completing this design.

The Trident D-5 is the most accurate SLBM in history (its got a CEP of about 100 m giving it counterforce capabilites)

Was it from drawing board to sub without issues? Nope:

Trident 2 Failures Laid to Early Success


The designers of the Trident 2 missile in some ways were prisoners of their own successes when they failed to foresee a problem that has spoiled the weapon's first undersea tests, Government officials and other missile specialists said today.

The omission being blamed for the test failures, a serious miscalculation of how the missile would be buffeted by sea water as it is launched from a submarine, illustrates how developers of a new model of a weapon may be biased against making radical departures from successful earlier versions.

It also shows the limitations of computer simulations, as advanced as they have become in recent years, and the intricate nature of a nuclear weapons program involving hundreds of public and private organizations with overlapping responsibilities.
www.nytimes.com...


Its pretty ignorant to confuse Russia with NK eh?

[edit on 7/16/09 by FredT]



posted on Jul, 16 2009 @ 07:48 PM
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posted on Jul, 16 2009 @ 08:18 PM
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There's also the slant that it's just disinfo.

I mean think about it.

In these precarious times of saber rattling between Powerhouses and Annoying yapping dog type nations (NK & Iran) why would anyone release to the media that one of their latest weapons failed ?

Perhaps the missile is fully operational and working fine & dandy but Russia just want to give out the impression they're still having problems in the testing & development phase ?


We outspend Russia by more than 1000%


Don't forget that's total military spending, they're fighting in 2 wars remember. Whereas China and Russia do not have to worry about any of the overheads associated with war right now. And American equipment will generally be twice or even more the price of comparable equipment. For example a Mig29 will set you back $11 million whereas an F18 will set you back anywhere from $29 to $57 million (source wiki)

[edit on 16/7/09 by Discotech]



posted on Jul, 16 2009 @ 08:28 PM
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A Russian missile test fails and ATS has a bashing orgy with people using the opportunity to contribute their meaningless opinion about how pathetic they perceive Russia and its army to be. And hurray for bringing North Korea into discussion - way to contribute to the ignorance of the thread. Not that this is surprising by any degree.


FredT is correct about this being nothing more than a test of a new type of missile that is still in design stage - nothing to work up a frenzy about. Russia has the knowledge and the means to develop top notch missile systems, but as with everything - it will take time. Perhaps Bulava has had more than a fair share of set backs in development, but considering that Russian military budget is still very small compared to the US (and to USSR), it is doing the best with the money its got.

Perhaps Bulava is just a faulty concept. But Russia has a number of proven submarine-based missile technologies to fall back on - like the recently introduced R-29RMU Sineva. So even if Bulava does not reach production or becomes delayed, it is not critical to the Russian armed forces. I am sure this failure will force the engineers to go back to the drawing board and reassess whether Bulava system is worth it, or if the money is better spend elsewhere.



posted on Jul, 16 2009 @ 08:31 PM
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Originally posted by Jamiethegreat
Another piece of junk from Russia. The Russians are trying to build new weapons, but they keep failing like always.




Super comment. Care to explain why it is a piece of junk and how its success rate equates to other military technologies still in the making? Or how Russia fails "like always"?



posted on Jul, 16 2009 @ 08:32 PM
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We can send you guys some viagra but if it stays airborn for over 4 hours give the doctor a call.

Seriously though how long has north korea supposedly tried and failed and who can actually verify anything?



posted on Jul, 16 2009 @ 08:35 PM
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Originally posted by maloy
And hurray for bringing North Korea into discussion - way to contribute to the ignorance of the thread. Not that this is surprising by any degree.


Hurray for being so condescending!

And yes Russia are perfectly capable of creating missile systems seeing as though have the most advanced SAMs in the world, which is why I suggested it might just be disinfo. But if you don't like discussion on a discussion forum then perhaps you should go write a blog or something where you can still voice your "informed" opinion about current events but won't have to trawl through our expected ignorance



posted on Jul, 16 2009 @ 09:01 PM
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Originally posted by 12.21.12
We can send you guys some viagra but if it stays airborn for over 4 hours give the doctor a call.


I think the US needs all the said viagra for itself in order for its $2 billion stealth bombers to stay up in the air and not slump to the ground.



Originally posted by 12.21.12
Seriously though how long has north korea supposedly tried and failed and who can actually verify anything?


North Korean missile program has nothing to do with the Russian program and cannot be compared to it in any way. Bulava is decades ahead of anything NK has or will have. It also has some major deviations from currently used Russian technology - so there are a lot of kinks to work out. If US undertook a completely new design like Bulava today, it would no doubt have a similar number of failures before perfecting it, especially given budget constraints that Russia faces.

Personally I never liked the idea of Russia developing a new submarine based missile to begin with. The military has more pressing priorities. Somebody in the Russian defense industry really wants to see Bulava reach production stage.



posted on Jul, 16 2009 @ 10:33 PM
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Yes Maloy but think about it like this. It gives you the opportunity to come and spout the typical Pro_Russian rhetoric about how Russia is the greatest country on the Planet Earth and never does any wrong yadda, yadda, yadda.

So be thankful for this failed test. The topic and thread gives you yet another forum in which to speak. =)


Originally posted by maloy
A Russian missile test fails and ATS has a bashing orgy with people using the opportunity to contribute their meaningless opinion about how pathetic they perceive Russia and its army to be. And hurray for bringing North Korea into discussion - way to contribute to the ignorance of the thread. Not that this is surprising by any degree.


FredT is correct about this being nothing more than a test of a new type of missile that is still in design stage - nothing to work up a frenzy about. Russia has the knowledge and the means to develop top notch missile systems, but as with everything - it will take time. Perhaps Bulava has had more than a fair share of set backs in development, but considering that Russian military budget is still very small compared to the US (and to USSR), it is doing the best with the money its got.

Perhaps Bulava is just a faulty concept. But Russia has a number of proven submarine-based missile technologies to fall back on - like the recently introduced R-29RMU Sineva. So even if Bulava does not reach production or becomes delayed, it is not critical to the Russian armed forces. I am sure this failure will force the engineers to go back to the drawing board and reassess whether Bulava system is worth it, or if the money is better spend elsewhere.



posted on Jul, 17 2009 @ 12:35 AM
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Well if this test succeeded then we would still see a topic here, only phobias would take prevalence and people would post about how evil Russia is getting ready to nuke the world, right after it finishes invading Georgia.

And Russia isn't the greatest country on Planet Earth. It is the greatest country in the galaxy. And it did only one thing wrong - it never took over the world when it had a chance to.

*does a Stalin salute and falls over in a drunk slumber*



posted on Jul, 17 2009 @ 06:25 AM
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OMG its the `imba` trident FAILING.

and another trident failing:





OMG its the cheap #E american missiles! bet russia isnt scarred now


move along nothing to see - missiles when testing can and do fail - as do F-22`s when they fall from the sky , tanks blowing up (M1 in testing)

[edit on 17/7/09 by Harlequin]



posted on Jul, 17 2009 @ 08:33 AM
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Well you know what Skippy? It didnt! The Ruskies were to busy swilling vodka to take over the world. And they fell hook, line and sinker for Raegans strategy to spend them into oblivion. And you know what they got? The Commonwealth of Independent States! Thats right Skippy. Thats where it got them. What brilliance!




And Russia isn't the greatest country on Planet Earth. It is the greatest country in the galaxy. And it did only one thing wrong - it never took over the world when it had a chance to.

*does a Stalin salute and falls over in a drunk slumber*



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