The 6000 year old megalithic complex of Meath County Ireland, page 1
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Topic started on 16-7-2009 @ 11:35 AM by HunkaHunka
The Irish Pub down the road from me is a great place not only to kick back with a cold beverage but to talk to folks from Ireland. One of the discussions recently centered on Newgrange, part of the Bru na Boinne complex in Meath county Ireland.

The Bru na Boinne Complex is composed of Newgrange , Knowth and Dowth in Ireland, built nearly 6000 years ago... Keep in mind, this is pre-Celt, Pre-Egyptian Pyramids and Pre-Stonehenge.

Below is a nice video of Newgrange with some odd Christian music put to it...





A closeup of the walls...



The entrance to the site and example of the megalithic artwork...



Recent News Article about the complex

Did you know that within 50 miles of Dublin the passage tombs of the Bru na Boinne Complex (built between 3300 and 2900 B.C.) are 500 years older than the Great Pyramid of Giza and about 1,000 years older than Stonehenge?

Newgrange is a burial mound, 250 feet across and 40 feet high. It covers one acre. Inside the mound a 60 foot long passage leads to a cross-shaped chamber featuring a corbelled roof (a roof of progressively overlapping stones topped with a capstone) rising to 20 feet. After 5,000 years the roof has remained intact and waterproof.


Whoa... wait a minute... cross shaped chamber? 6000 years ago? Ok, maybe that is a coincidence. Let's continue...



Newgrange, like many ruins of ancient civilizations, is aligned with a particular equinox. In this case on the winter solstice, or shortest day of the year, a narrow beam of sunshine shines directly onto the passage into the chamber and illuminates the floor of the chamber, lasting for about 17 minutes. Every year tens of thousands enter a drawing to be one of the 50 or so allowed inside to witness the event.


One of the very interesting parts, is the Sundial petroglyph from Knowth, in the same area. And just so we don't lose context, Knowth is in the same complex, but here is an arial picture of it... it is a *bit* different than Newgrange...




So here is the Sundial from Knowth...


Now it's hard to see much from this angle, so here is one with an overlay.



Notice the swirl in this one as we see in all the other artwork. Before this image everything seemed curly cued as decoration. But this particular image puts it as part of a layout. What *does* this spiral represent in this situation or is it merely more decoration which represents something more abstract?

Now, let's put just a little more detail on this...



As you can see several things pop out. Namely that was was important in this dial is the Winter Solstice. A dotted line is drawn to the Summer Solstice as a point of reference, but the line pointing to the Winter Solstice is actually on the petroglyph itself.



A great site which ponders the linkage between the Ancient art, sundials, and modern day crop circle artists.


Rather large article
about the sundial from Knowth, other sundials and how they correlate to modern day crop circle artists.

This site posits a link between the petroglyphs in Ireland and those of Native Americans

Knowth.com has some nice images as well. Please check them out.

UPDATE:

Just to throw more into the mix... here is one of the photos of the Avebury crop circle. Notice how it lines up with the sundial picture above. Although looking at it, either the pic above is off or the overlay in the crop circle pic is off, because their orientation is different.





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reply posted on 16-7-2009 @ 01:42 PM by Kandinsky
reply to post by HunkaHunka

What a damn good post! I didn't know anything about the place and always enjoy something new. I must read up on it all...

Places similar to this are spread across Northern Europe...passage graves, megaliths, burial mounds etc. Northern Italy and westwards across Scandinavia, Germany, Northern France (Brittany) and into the British Isles. Hundreds of sites and relatively little information about the people that left them behind. They often feature alignments to the winter sunrise and are thought to represent the transition from hunter gatherers to farmers. The organization needed to commission and construct these sites indicates rising populations and the formation of societies with shared mythologies.

Gavrinis Island is over 400 miles South and shares some of the same symbols as Boyne Valley. Crossing over to the east and we see even more similarities. Although largely lost in the distant past, there must have been trade routes spanning 1000s of miles. IIRC in Wiltshire a hand axe was found dating to 5500 ya that was made of Austrian stone. Migration and trade must have been fairly dynamic before we began to settle down and claimed ever larger areas of territory.

I've drank and been drunk in many an Irish bar, but I can't recall having a chat about about Upper Paleolithic archaeology. Top man!


reply posted on 16-7-2009 @ 02:14 PM by HunkaHunka
reply to post by Kandinsky



Thanks for the additional insight! Star for you


Evidently many of the trade routes were used for trading salt, among other items. But Salt was like white gold, probably because of it's function in preservation of meats and medicinal uses along with it's obvious value as a spice.

It was kinda funny, I mentioned the megalithic era, and the bartender went on about Newgrange... It sparked my interest and so I thought I'd share the fruits of this intoxicated discussion with the rest of you.



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reply posted on 16-7-2009 @ 02:38 PM by kidflash2008
reply to post by HunkaHunka



Thank you for the post. I do hope to visit Ireland one day and check out that site myself (along with the pyramids).


reply posted on 16-7-2009 @ 02:42 PM by weedwhacker
reply to post by kidflash2008



The pyramids are a must see!!! on your 'bucket list'!!!

I've been to Dublin, but NOW Ihave to go back!! This is really good stuff...Stonehenge was nice, but they keep you far away now...


reply posted on 16-7-2009 @ 04:14 PM by HunkaHunka
reply to post by Gamma MO



Quite a nice trove to stumble on!

Anyone else with experience? From what I can tell they also have Solstice ceremonies there in what looks to be a much more intimate setting than Stonehenge... has anyone been to one of these?

I'm incredibly interested as to what effect the light plays on the white quartz which lines the face of Newgrange.


reply posted on 16-7-2009 @ 04:18 PM by lazy1981
Great post! I've always wanted to visit such places but doubt that I will ever have the money to do so...

To answer one of the questions that seem to be vexing to you I give you the following.

Swirl =Fibonacci Sequence=Golden Ratio=Sacred Geometry.......

Sacred Geometry-
en.wikipedia.org...

Golden Ratio- en.wikipedia.org...

Fibonacci Sequence- en.wikipedia.org...


Furthermore there is a book that I read years a go that theorizes that Neolithic peoples from Ireland were the sea fearing peoples that The Egyptians spoke of that founded the Egyptian society.

This is predicated upon the research of two Freemasons (Knight and Lomas) trying to uncover the origins of the Craft.

They go into many other areas as it pretains to Venus warship and Neolithic peoples in Ireland and Britain and the level of advancement in their civilization beyond and prior to the Egyptian Civilization.


The book is called The Book of Hiram.
www.knight-lomas.com...

Happy hunting.........


reply posted on 16-7-2009 @ 04:30 PM by lazy1981
reply to post by HunkaHunka





I'm incredibly interested as to what effect the light plays on the white quartz which lines the face of Newgrange.


Quartz is known for it's ability to tune frequencies and transfer vibrations. I know for a fact that we are indebted to quartz as far as radio is concerned. It wouldn't have been possible without quartz stones.

Quartz radio
en.wikipedia.org...


reply posted on 16-7-2009 @ 06:51 PM by Gorman91
reply to post by HunkaHunka



Well the black supremacist claim Africans were in Ireland and did that. Bull#.

The ufo crowd claims aliens landed and educated the people. Also bull#.

Here we have the simple fact that a group of people on the edge of the known world, if left to their own, will begin to develop.

Bare in mind Ireland is pretty peaceful, isolated, and simple. The perfect place for a civilization to begin.

Thunk about it. All the great civs developed in places isolated, cut off, and with resources readily available.

The only question is what did these people in.
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