GReat question that i never even thought to ask.

That makes a lot of sense though considering what it is..

They are not forcing us into slavery as we openly CHOOSE Religion therefor in there eyes we openly choose slavery.

Originally posted by LucidDreamer85
GReat question that i never even thought to ask.

That makes a lot of sense though considering what it is..

They are not forcing us into slavery as we openly CHOOSE Religion therefor in there eyes we openly choose slavery.

Exactly. To be forced is to be a slave. Hence, making free-will obsolete.

Ritualistic performance and faking it to make it always bothered me. The great spiritual teachers taught how to be the creators of your own desires and also illustrated the interconnection of all that is or will be. We tend to operate on polarities, however, things like opposites, theses and antitheses, etc., so selfish, insecure individuals infiltrated newborn spiritualities (especially in the mid-east westward, but really everywhere) and claimed to be the only bridge to God, the Source, the Truth, the Logos, whatever you choose to call it. By claiming to be the bridge, they got people looking outwards for the One, the Alpha and the Omega, but that only led to a world of pretense, of lies, of deceptions. This led to a world where there is vast and increasing insecurity, as people devote a great deal of energy to fear of the image of others, and of the image they themselves project. The fear leads to pride, for we must hold dear to one thing for fear of another. We are so sure we are right because we are so afraid of being wrong. We are also so sure of our CURRENT selves, because we are oh-so-terrified of death (Having an experience, really accepting an experience, that changes our mindset, our consciousness, leads in a very real sense to the death of ourselves.). This pride pulls the plug on personal growth, and it plants a new seed. This seed sprouts into vanity, a desire to look at one's self (Regarding vanity in this topic, I am talking about the self as your PERCEIVED personality, not your body. Also, I must state that being connected to yourself is of course not bad at all; it is the reason, it is the why that is behind it all that sets and aligns our orientations, that magnetizes our compasses so to speak). However, this self-attraction followed the fear state, so we look at and reflect upon the false selves that the world implanted upon us. We cling like traumatized infants to the definition, the very shape and form and color, given to us (and also accepted and interpreted by us) by the world. This sort of prideful vanity also acts as a distorted lens, contorting and shattering the truth. If we are to neatly fit in this system, at least a fragment, a mere shard of us, the vanity evolves into outright narcissism, a total clinging to the self, total false self-connection. Once we are locked in this box of narcissism, there is no longer an other. There is only me. Everybody else exists as a play actor in my personal fantasy. The problem is, this narcissism only regards others to the extent that they are clearly useful or delightful to me, so it blocks out the essence of others completely. When we get totally wrapped up in ourselves, and disregard the very nature and existence of others, when we lose a real sense of empathy, we then succumb to lust. If we are seeing everything as a means to an end of some sort, we inevitably degrade from seeing the big picture, the true, grand, interconnection of it all. We then get caught on our basest desires, which leads me to this riddle:

We are locked in a room with 2 computers. 1 supposedly always tells the truth, the Other computer, or 0, supposedly always lies. There are two doors leaving the room. 1 apparently leads to everlasting life. The Other apparently leads to certain death. We have but a single question to ask, and this question can be asked to only a single computer. What question do we ask? We ask either computer what the other would choose as the door to life, and we do the precise opposite. Why? Because if we ask the truth teller what the liar would do, it will of course be a lie. If we ask the liar what the honest computer would do, it will of course also be a lie. We MUST do the opposite of what our basest instincts say to do in order to act according to long-term interests, in order that we be full of life, fulfilled, in order that we can further our journeys.
You see, by giving in to lust, we act contrary to our interests.

I ran out of room in the previous post. I first must say that I used the computer riddle, because that lowest part of our brains acts like an on/off switch, yes and no, true and false, etc. It can easily get us trapped in our little reality tunnels.

I must also say that by taking that leap of faith and doing something grander than that basic lust, we can escape the false image, pride, vanity, fear, narcissism, lust sequence. Once out, we must live a life without fear. But in order to not be fearful, we must truly appreciate the value of the OTHER and the vast interconnection of it all. Remember, this world HAS TO EVENTUALLY GET BETTER, because a parasite needs a host, and not the other way around. When dealing with humanity, it is only necessary to make a sufficient number realize their host states, through love, and to be fair, to make some calloused-over parasites aware that they are indeed parasites. Love people, then make others aware of the interconnected factor.

BTW, this may come across as too instructional. If it does I apologize. It is just that I have done a great deal of thinking about the subject, and I believe I have good knowledge to share. Of course, don't take everything literally, but please read with an open heart and mind and a genuine desire for truth. I believe you might find something wise in it.

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If we look at the book of Genesis we read that Adam and Eve walked and talked with God. They had a personal relationship with Him, and therefore this was the origin of the first true religion. Unfortunately we also read that they sinned against God and were removed from a position where they could directly come in contact with God, so as generations of people went on the close relationship was lost.

I think in these modern times we've become so far removed from our original standing that much has become forgotten, corrupted, changed, etc..

Religion now is not what it was. It used to be a very close relationship with God.

Originally posted by one_enlightened_mind
If we look at the book of Genesis we read that Adam and Eve walked and talked with God. They had a personal relationship with Him, and therefore this was the origin of the first true religion. Unfortunately we also read that they sinned against God and were removed from a position where they could directly come in contact with God, so as generations of people went on the close relationship was lost.

I think in these modern times we've become so far removed from our original standing that much has become forgotten, corrupted, changed, etc..

Religion now is not what it was. It used to be a very close relationship with God.

I would say that the "relationship" between God and man is very differnt than it used to be. I"m not sure if religion by defenition was even a concept until the times of Christ. It seems like many people twisted Gods message and the meaning of Christ and ran with it for personal gain, and in many cases ended up corrupting the Church as a whole. Afterall Christ is supposed to bridge the "gap" between God and man, and not to make us slaves.

Originally posted by Wookiep

Originally posted by one_enlightened_mind
If we look at the book of Genesis we read that Adam and Eve walked and talked with God. They had a personal relationship with Him, and therefore this was the origin of the first true religion. Unfortunately we also read that they sinned against God and were removed from a position where they could directly come in contact with God, so as generations of people went on the close relationship was lost.

I think in these modern times we've become so far removed from our original standing that much has become forgotten, corrupted, changed, etc..

Religion now is not what it was. It used to be a very close relationship with God.

I would say that the "relationship" between God and man is very differnt than it used to be. I"m not sure if religion by defenition was even a concept until the times of Christ. It seems like many people twisted Gods message and the meaning of Christ and ran with it for personal gain, and in many cases ended up corrupting the Church as a whole. Afterall Christ is supposed to bridge the "gap" between God and man, and not to make us slaves.

Good answers...

It is the Roman Church (part of the Roman Government) that laid down the rules that churches abide by today.

The Carpenter Jesus never once made mention of any church such as the Roman church or the catholic church or any other denomination or break away sect....

Why ???

Was the teachings of Jesus intended to become a religion or was it something else now hidden by humankind ???

In the Gospel of Thomas it is written....

V. 39

Jesus said,

“The Pharisees and the Scribes
have taken The Keys of Knowledge
and Hidden Them.

They themselves
have NOTentered,
nor have they
allowed to enter
those who wish to".

Hmmmmm... ???

There are perhaps many origins, of different religions, but most are about the same subject...

In fact a lot of the decoration, in the Architecture, of many Temples is basically of the same Geometry as in Christianity.

But Religion is used to perform, many different undesirable tasks.

The original Roman church was part of the Roman structure of Government.

And still is today.

Read up on Structure of The Holy Roman Government, dating back to the days of Jesus.

Most of the early Christian writings, are not included in the Roman collection of Greek and Hebrew writings, known as the bible today.

See the above quote from "The Gospel of Thomas" !

And there are also Many different Versions !

All written by the Scribes and NotThe Carpenter Jesus !

The King James Version is only One Version !

And on top of that, What writings were chosen, have been Bastardised and represent something to day, that the knowledge was not intended for.

If there was to be a Book for us to follow don't you think that Jesus would have written it.

If he can do these Great Miracles then, (which I may Not doubt) Producing a book if require would be a very small task indeed.

Why would he have to rely on humans to do this, knowing that humankind is corrupt ???

Then again, a Book that The Christ wrote, does exist !

But Where ???

Well he tells you in the Book of The Revelation of Jesus Christ !

I'm not a very relgious guy and currently im studying history in college so i always look at the origins of relgion through empirical eyes. but here's my take

imagine that you have no idea what causes natural events around you to happen. you dont know why their are flashes in the sky when it rains and u dont know why a big orage balls flys across the sky,

so in attempts to explain these events you give them stories and represent them with what u know best... people. the lightning u see is some greater being becoming angry, the big orange ball is some dude in a horse drawn chariot. but over time humans became smarter and started to figure out what these natural events actually were and this idea of a lot of gods representing all these things (polytheism) bit the dust. this leads to what kind of religion we have today monotheism... because we've become so smart that there are only one (or a few depending on what u think) question we havent answered... what happens to us when we die. so taking this from a historical perspective it seems like science will overrun religion and we wont have it soon. and it seems with progressons in metaphysics that time may be sooner rather than later...

just my take though

I laugh everytime I see these questions on Jesus and God. Jesus never existed. The Christian bible as well as other cultures bibles are just tools for social control.

Jesus was actually named after the star 'Sirius'. Most stories and phrases from the bible are misinterpretations all taken from Astrology. The 12 desciples are the 12 contellations.

Crucifixtion is when the Sun sits in the stars called The Southern Cross (Crux). Then the 3 day death, burial or entombment is when the Sun drops (Goes South) from view during Dec 22nd, 23rd, 24th. Then the Ressurection is when the Sun comes back (Goes North) 25th. All religion is based on Astrology. The Jesus and God story is a myth of misinterpretations.

And of course the Romans in 300 AD used it to control the masses!

Sheesh!! Religion is a farce! Just a control tool

[edit on 17/7/2009 by stevcolx]