posted on Jul, 15 2009 @ 04:21 PM
Seeker – After all of these discussions, I am still stuck on the concepts of everything and nothing. The realized individual, you seem to be saying,
sees that they are both everything and yet nothing. This is one of the paradoxes in spirituality that I find difficult to reconcile.
Guru – The “everything” is everything that the mind can conceive and experience. The “nothing” is everything that the mind cannot conceive
of, because nothing is only nothing if the mind cannot grasp it. You are, then, everything and nothing. It is useless to try to understand this with
Seeker – Ok, whoa…can you explain that point again.
Guru – That mind here is not going to help you. What this is, really, is the pairing of two absolutes. Set together, they jar the mind and hopefully
still it into silence. The mind can make a half-baked attempt at imaging everythingness, and it can make a half-baked try at conceiving of
nothingness, but both will just be concepts. However, set side by side, these concepts can have a powerful stilling affect on the mind. The same
effect can be acheived if I say that you are both infinitely small and infinitely big, or if I say that you are alive but were never born. The mind
just can’t handle it. If the seeker stays with the mind not being able to handle it, they can achieve insights that are beyond mind. It takes some
Seeker – So it’s a kind of guru’s trick, then?
Guru – We use the means at our disposal. Concepts are all tricks in one way or another.
[edit on 15-7-2009 by Silenceisall]