Obama is a citizen of kenya..with actual laws to back it up., page 3
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reply posted on 16-7-2009 @ 05:09 AM by dawnstar
reply to post by JScytale


susposedly, though, according to some, well, he wasn't born in the US, he was born in Kenya....his father's home....his mother is american...
at the time he was born the laws in this country, by what I understand, did not pass citizenship automatically to him solely based on the fact that his mom was american, his mom was obligated to go to the US embassy and file papers for his citizenship....which, well, I don't think they ever found evidence that she did that...
I do believe there might be something in the constitution that kind of blocks those with multiple allegiences from holding the presidency..but I am not sure.

as for those who say who cares what country he was born in and weather or not he's natural born, well.....anyone who cares about maintaining what little integrity that the constitution still has SHOULD care!! our founding fathers put that requirement in there for a reason, after all, china already owns a good portion of our money, would we be so not caring if obama was the son of a chinese dad and american mom, born in bejing, attending school in singapore, and finally coming to the US at the age of ten or whatever?
maybe we should just lay the ole constitution to rest, shred it or something, it seems like it has become much like the bible, we can pick and chose what we like, but lay aside whatever we find unappealing as the whim hits us.

at first I figured that if there was anything to the claim that he wasn't a citizen, they would have checked before he won the presidency...but well, if the pentagon is allowing people to say no to deployment using this as a basis, I got a feeling that there might be something to it. if this is so, why was a person that isn't qualified to run for office allowed to be sworn in for president??? well....the dems would go along with it, because he's their man!!! and he was their best chance to get them into the white house..
the republicans would go for it, hoping that it would pave the way for the possible chance of the terminator getting his chance....
and of course the global elite would go for it, since it would be much easier to get a non american stooge into the office and seal our fate.

maybe that is why at least some of us care???



reply posted on 16-7-2009 @ 05:21 AM by dawnstar
reply to post by debunky


I'm sorry, it's against my religious principles to pay taxes.....
and well, your new country does allow for all it's citizens freedom to practice their religion, doesn't it?? or does it fail to recognize my religion.....the FYLMMA religion?

whatever......
so, would you have a gripe if arnie decided to run for pres? he's not a natural born citizen either ya know....
and well, he even has a stronger accent than obama does...

I wonder if any of bin laden's kin have been nationalized citizens of the US???


reply posted on 16-7-2009 @ 06:29 AM by argentus
reply to post by Histopherness


WE don't get to vote on all our own laws, we have people represent us; again which we did not get to directly vote on to do so. That is the sad fact of the matter. You do not have the right in this country to challenge whatever you want. Congress can, and you have the right to ask your congressman to do something about it, doesn't mean he will.


Perfectly stated. I've just come [finally, after struggle] to the same conclusion. The cases regarding President Obama's birth have not been heard, and will not, as it has been ruled that Congress alone has standing to bring this type of suit and be heard. It's not a lack of evidence, It's a ruling that prevents the evidence (if it exists) from being heard.

Game over.

I don't like it either.



reply posted on 16-7-2009 @ 06:37 AM by argentus
reply to post by nenothtu


Here's an attempt to make your soccer analogy actually FIT this situation. I know nothing of soccer, and find it to be far more useless than even politics, but I assume there are still rules involved.

Are there any rules in soccer?

If the captain of the team ignores those rules, is there no penalty? If not, then why the hell have rules to begin with?

That's why Americans get upset when all indications are that the captain of their team has disregarded the rules. If he can, why can't the rest of us?


Yes. You make the soccer analogy work. Well, unless the soccer commission -- which oversees the enforcement of the rules -- has a higher authority one can appeal to, whatever the soccer commission rules is law. Your only recourse, as a team captain who believes they have a valid grievance, is to elect new commission members, and try again.

You are not, of course, prevented from speaking out about the situation, however the commission may decide to........... suspend your membership. [ominous music swells and fades]


reply posted on 16-7-2009 @ 07:19 AM by debunky
Well.... according to US law


1862 opinion of the U.S. Attorney General


our constitution, in speaking of natural born citizens, uses no affirmative language to make them such, but only recognizes and reaffirms the universal principle, common to all nations, and as old as political society, that the people born in a country do constitute the nation, and, as individuals, are natural members of the body politic.

1857 opinion of Supreme Court Justice Benjamin R. Curtis


The answer is obvious. The Constitution has left to the States the determination what person, born within their respective limits, shall acquire by birth citizenship of the United States


(this was said earlier in this thread)

Now according to the OP:


The U.S. Constitution was based upon the encyclopedic "The Law of Nations," (Droit des gens; ou, Principes de la loi naturelle appliqués à la conduite et aux affaires des nations et des souverains) a treatise written in 1758 by Swiss lawyer and diplomat Emerich de Vattel as a manual for how government should function. Book I, Chapter XIX, part 212, codified the definition of "Natural born citizen" as jus soli jus sanguinus: “The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.”[13]


So: If you live in a country that says the "droit du gens, principes de la loi naturelle appliqués à la conduite aux affaires des nations et des souverains" from 1758 is applicaple law, then yes: it must be parents, however said country defines parents. (adoptive and foster parents are legally parents in most of the world btw, though not biological)


reply posted on 16-7-2009 @ 07:58 PM by whatukno
reply to post by xyankee


What evidence? What evidence have you birthers put forward that hasn't been debunked immediately?

Really now. I think this is a dead horse and really people should if they are so determined write and call their reps in Washington and make them force Obama to publish his long form birth certificate. Cause they are the ONLY ones that can.

And thank you Heir Grammar Nazi for the tip.
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